Jupiter - First Contact! (Warning: 6-string Content)
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Re: Jupiter - First Contact! (Warning: 6-string Content)
Maybe soon someone will be able to compare it directly to the dime. Hopefully it's a bit thicker overall(more lower and center mids),,, and not too awful much stiffer/drier/clearer,,,,,,maybe just a little bit would be great.
I'm inclined to snag a bridge model just because those awesome shallow radiused rails.
My 2005 rg2570vsl (maple-walnut/basswood) would be a good home,,,,,,,,,,but I do already love the x2n that's in it now. Jupiter would look better IMO. NEED MORE GUITARS!!!
Maybe soon someone will be able to compare it directly to the dime. Hopefully it's a bit thicker overall(more lower and center mids),,, and not too awful much stiffer/drier/clearer,,,,,,maybe just a little bit would be great.
I'm inclined to snag a bridge model just because those awesome shallow radiused rails.
My 2005 rg2570vsl (maple-walnut/basswood) would be a good home,,,,,,,,,,but I do already love the x2n that's in it now. Jupiter would look better IMO. NEED MORE GUITARS!!!
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ItsaBass
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Re: Jupiter - First Contact! (Warning: 6-string Content)
I do want to try a pair of neck models as a set...but it is hard to spend $250 when Wilde L500s are $170 a set, and you get to choose your output/inductance from four options, choose your colors, and have your pickups made to order by a local (to me) mother and daughter operation, without dealing with middle-men.
I do want to try a pair of neck models as a set...but it is hard to spend $250 when Wilde L500s are $170 a set, and you get to choose your output/inductance from four options, choose your colors, and have your pickups made to order by a local (to me) mother and daughter operation, without dealing with middle-men.
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Different beasts though due to ceramic vs alnico. I'd love to try their xl500 just because it's a5. They don't do a ceramic rail and SD doesn't do an alnico rail,,,,kindacool.
woops,,I'm wrong. El Diablo is a2
Different beasts though due to ceramic vs alnico. I'd love to try their xl500 just because it's a5. They don't do a ceramic rail and SD doesn't do an alnico rail,,,,kindacool.
woops,,I'm wrong. El Diablo is a2
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Masta' C
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Re: Jupiter - First Contact! (Warning: 6-string Content)
You bring up a very solid point. I think these Jupiters are shooting a bit high price-wise. After all, they are technically not Custom Shop pickups if what BanjoMikez said is true.
Plus (get ready to be mad), Becky had the 500-series in Cream on sale for $50 each just a couple months ago! It took everything in me not to just buy a couple for a rainy day!
With all that said, I don't yet regret splurging on the Jupiter set. I realize that SD had to put considerable time into making these possible and they are in-line with suggestions I have personally requested of the company, so I put my money where my mouth is! I want to see SD willing to do more stuff like this.
Next stop: Updated Parallel Axis models!
You bring up a very solid point. I think these Jupiters are shooting a bit high price-wise. After all, they are technically not Custom Shop pickups if what BanjoMikez said is true.
Plus (get ready to be mad), Becky had the 500-series in Cream on sale for $50 each just a couple months ago! It took everything in me not to just buy a couple for a rainy day!
With all that said, I don't yet regret splurging on the Jupiter set. I realize that SD had to put considerable time into making these possible and they are in-line with suggestions I have personally requested of the company, so I put my money where my mouth is! I want to see SD willing to do more stuff like this.
Next stop: Updated Parallel Axis models!
https://www.wildepickups.com/products/l500
https://www.wildepickups.com/products/l-90
Call them and ask about which ones are closest to PAFs. They definitely both have offerings but it's been too long since I've thought about this to remember. And yes, these are the Bill Lawrence pickups the Jupiter, Dimebucker, etc. are based on. He had a business disagreement and his former partner kept the Bill Lawrence name. These are the real BL pickups made now by his wife and daugher now that he's bassed.
Masta' C
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Yes, Wilde pickups are amazing. Anyone who hasn't tried a real-deal Bill Lawrence/Wilde is missing out.
I'm a big fan of the L-90 models and the L-500 series. For vintage tones reminiscent of a PAF, the old school L-90 is great.
That said, nearly all Wilde pickups have a sort of "hi-fi" quality to them that makes them unique...a good combination of drive and clarity for sure
I'm a big fan of the L-90 models and the L-500 series. For vintage tones reminiscent of a PAF, the old school L-90 is great.
That said, nearly all Wilde pickups have a sort of "hi-fi" quality to them that makes them unique...a good combination of drive and clarity for sure
I bought a Kauer yesterday with these Jupiter pickups installed by a previous owner. It's going to Kauer first for a Plek (he does this for free on some older Kauer's that never got it from factory). I'm not really a big high gain player but I've liked blade pickups and am game for having something different.
Love to hear what you think about them after you spend some time with them.
I discovered a wonderful half rail pup a couple of years back that fits your description and if it looked traditional they would probably sell a billion of them..
It's the rail hammer hyper vintage, and as mentioned, the bass 1/2 rail creates a tight, relatively bright tone. And it has three oversized pole pieces for the trebble strings that do the exact opposite. It makes them warm and smooth.
https://railhammer.com/products/humbucker/hyper-vintage-bridge/
It's one of the few pups where the name tells it all. It behaves like a paf with more of the good stuff.. Great for anything other than metal.
It's 8.5k and it parallels to self very nicely.
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Ashurbanipal
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I guess rail pups are associated with hot, screaming output to many people, so they think, 'nah, pass'. I've never played any but they seem cool (Parallel Axis too!), though if I were buying some, I'd be looking for something that's lower output.
It's kind of funny - one the OG guitar pups full stop was the Charlie Christian; and original style Firebird pups are rail too, but since they're covered, folks don't think about it.
It's kind of funny - one the OG guitar pups full stop was the Charlie Christian; and original style Firebird pups are rail too, but since they're covered, folks don't think about it.
Gtrjunior
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This looks very interesting. I’ll bet the neck version is stellar.
I just looked at the website…too bad they don’t do something like this in a single coil neck pickup. A brighter low end with a warmer high end….who doesn’t want that?!?! Lol
Yeah, totally agree.. it's not just a slight variation from a standard pup
In the video in the link that I posted earlier, the guitarist plays a riff over and over... warm and clean and then he kicks in an orange with extreme overdrive and continues to play the exact same riff until the end of the vid. No discussion, no variation just one progression.
My immediate response was "that was uninformative" until the point hit home... It doesn't matter if it's sparkling clean or hypercrunched, it always has the same clarity and warmth.
And clarity and warmth are my words... It's kind of hard to describe but easy to hear..
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Single coil size is a very interesting thought... Joe Barton's use the rails to get a clean thick crisp attack, so a single coil size is certainly doable... Cool rail is another warmer example.
In my mind, the question is can you fit the extremely fat pole pieces for the treble strings in a single coil size?
I can't imagine how that would work but it made me think of something that I'd never considered before..
Could you use conducting slugs covered by a conducting cover on the slug side?
I'm thinking that a cover on the slug side would have about the same area as the oversized slugs from the rail Hammer design.. so what kind of tone would it get with the magnet connected to three slugs which connects to a conducting cover?
I don't have time to wind anymore but if I thought of this 5 years ago I would have given it a shot just to see what happens
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Gtrjunior
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Single coil size is a very interesting thought... Joe Barton's use the rails to get a clean thick crisp attack, so a single coil size is certainly doable... Cool rail is another warmer example.
In my mind, the question is can you fit the extremely fat pole pieces for the treble strings in a single coil size?
I can't imagine how that would work but it made me think of something that I'd never considered before..
Could you use conducting slugs covered by a conducting cover on the slug side?
I'm thinking that a cover on the slug side would have about the same area as the oversized slugs from the rail Hammer design.. so what kind of tone would it get with the magnet connected to three slugs which connects to a conducting cover?
I don't have time to wind anymore but if I thought of this 5 years ago I would have given it a shot just to see what happens
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I’m guessing that an oversized slug could work. Isn’t that what is in the Quarter pounder?
If that fits I’m thinking there wouldn’t be a need for a cover…? Unless I’m misunderstanding something In the construction aspect?
And of course the rail side construction would be the same except it would only need to extend halfway along the pickup?
That said, you clearly know much more than I do about the construction and practical application etc.
