Just bought my first Joyo... Classic Chorus

[jon the art guy]

Re: Just bought my first Joyo... Classic Chorus

I've got less of a problem with Behringer than I do Joyo. That's not to say I have much of a problem with Joyo, but they're using current-production pedals and doing a strategically different copy of them. The Sweet Baby is a REALLY nice dirt pedal knockoff, but truth be told I'd rather build it than buy a Joyo. Behringer has a gigantic stack of old pedal designs that other companies have stopped using for the most part, so I'm pretty cool with it. Old Boss pedals, a few Line 6 pieces, some Tech21 pieces, some EHX designs...
I dunno. There's a focal point where you're splitting hairs on the subject anyway. Nobody's paying rights for TS808, Electra, Fuzz Face, Big Muff, etc design cloning, so have little scruples in companies that have made money on old designs having their designs knock-off'd. It's a ridiculously quickly evolving industry that's based around clientele who directly equate their brand loyalty to the amount of money they paid for it, not the quality of the product. A company will take a perfectly suitable pedal, add a new clipping diode and some mojo bjts and some vintagey looking knobs and ask 3x the price for it. Soon, someone will knock off their design and the circle will continue to try and join it's own end.

 

[Surgeon]

Re: Just bought my first Joyo... Classic Chorus

So, do you believe one has a right to bash products they don't own (or at least have given a thorough test)?
I think opposite. If someone has bought something and then has developed a logical reason why it is poor from their experience, I think they then have the right to bash it. (Even though there are many "I told you so-ers" around.) I don't understand the logic of disliking something untried.

Read my post CAREFULLY. I'm not talking about "clones", I'm talking about CLONERS (i.e.: people who build clones of available pedals designed by others).
Joyo pedals are all clones of popular pedals made/designed by other companies. People on freestompboxes have bought, opened, traced and compared schematics and they all are copies (direct copies) of other pedals.
Therefore, my point is that anybody who buys Joyos shouldn't bash other cloners either as it is the same principle. Like them, buy them, personnaly I don't care. But don't say you bought a Joyo and then bash somebody else who builds clones either for himself (such as myself for example) or for resale.

That was my only point but you had to read my post though...

 

[IM4Tone]

Re: Just bought my first Joyo... Classic Chorus

Read my post CAREFULLY. I'm not talking about "clones", I'm talking about CLONERS (i.e.: people who build clones of available pedals designed by others).
Joyo pedals are all clones of popular pedals made/designed by other companies. People on freestompboxes have bought, opened, traced and compared schematics and they all are copies (direct copies) of other pedals.
Therefore, my point is that anybody who buys Joyos shouldn't bash other cloners either as it is the same principle. Like them, buy them, personnaly I don't care. But don't say you bought a Joyo and then bash somebody else who builds clones either for himself (such as myself for example) or for resale.

That was my only point but you had to read my post though...

Thanks for the clarification. I did read your post, but didn't understand it as you've explained above. Can't disagree with your point as explained.

 

[IM4Tone]

Re: Just bought my first Joyo... Classic Chorus

I've got less of a problem with Behringer than I do Joyo. That's not to say I have much of a problem with Joyo, but they're using current-production pedals and doing a strategically different copy of them. The Sweet Baby is a REALLY nice dirt pedal knockoff, but truth be told I'd rather build it than buy a Joyo. Behringer has a gigantic stack of old pedal designs that other companies have stopped using for the most part, so I'm pretty cool with it. Old Boss pedals, a few Line 6 pieces, some Tech21 pieces, some EHX designs...
I dunno. There's a focal point where you're splitting hairs on the subject anyway. Nobody's paying rights for TS808, Electra, Fuzz Face, Big Muff, etc design cloning, so have little scruples in companies that have made money on old designs having their designs knock-off'd. It's a ridiculously quickly evolving industry that's based around clientele who directly equate their brand loyalty to the amount of money they paid for it, not the quality of the product. A company will take a perfectly suitable pedal, add a new clipping diode and some mojo bjts and some vintagey looking knobs and ask 3x the price for it. Soon, someone will knock off their design and the circle will continue to try and join it's own end.

Let's not forget that Leo copied existing amp circuit designs to make a highly successful line of amps, AND then Jim Marshall copied Leo's Bassman circuitry to launch another iconic amp line. Right or wrong, ethical or not? Each of us decides. Been going on for many years!

 

[MetalManiac]

Re: Just bought my first Joyo... Classic Chorus

Let's not forget that Leo copied existing amp circuit designs to make a highly successful line of amps, AND then Jim Marshall copied Leo's Bassman circuitry to launch another iconic amp line. Right or wrong, ethical or not? Each of us decides. Been going on for many years!

I retract my 'Joyo Sucks' statement. I don't get it though. You have, for instance the old line of Duncans which are much better pedals, and now discounted. WHY would you even consider a Joyo at the present time? ? I don't want to step on any toes, and have been careful never to antagonize the moderators, at least directly/intentionally, but this is beyond me.

 

[jon the art guy]

Re: Just bought my first Joyo... Classic Chorus

I retract my 'Joyo Sucks' statement. I don't get it though. You have, for instance the old line of Duncans which are much better pedals, and now discounted. WHY would you even consider a Joyo at the present time? ? I don't want to step on any toes, and have been careful never to antagonize the moderators, at least directly/intentionally, but this is beyond me.

Well, it's not that people are looking for any old dirt box. Joyo has specifically copied some of the serious hot-button ubertone pedals that every tone elitist sneers are the rabble over not owning. Here's a copy from Freestompboxes.

JF-01 Vintage Overdrive = Ibanez TS-808
JF-02 Ultimate Drive = Fulltone OCD
JF-03 Crunch Distortion = Mi Audio Crunch box
JF-04 High Gain Distortion = Marshall Shredmaster
JF-05 Classic Chorus = Boss CE-2?
JF-06 Vintage Phase = MXR phase 90
JF-07 Classic Flanger = ?
JF-08 Digital Delay = ?
JF-09 Tremolo = Diaz Tremodillo
JF-10 Dynamic Compressor = MXR Dyna Comp.
JF-11 6 Band EQ - MXR 6 Band EQ
JF-12 Voodoo Octave (Fuzz Ultimate Octave) = Fulltone Ultimate Octave
JF-13 AC Tone = Tech 21 Character, Liverpool
JF-14 American Sound = Tech 21 Character, Blonde
JF-15 California Sound = Tech 21 Character, California
JF-16 British Sound = Tech 21 Character, British
JF-17 Extreme Metal = EHX Metal Muff
(JDI-01 DI Box)
(JF-30 A/B Switch)
JF-31 Noise Gate = ?
JF-32 Plexi Drive = Wampler Plexi-drive (???)
JF-33 Analog Delay = ?
JF-34 US Dream = ? (Suhr Riot)
JF-35 Pocket Metal = ?
JF-36 Sweet Baby = Mad Professor Sweet Honey
JF-37 Analog Chorus = ?
JF-38 Roll Boost = ?
JF-39 Deluxe Crunch = ?

That's just a quick search on the subject. This isn't a list of 15 year old Boss designs, this is Fulltone, Mad Professor/Bearfoot, Wampler and those Tech21s. The Sweet Baby is a pedal I have been amassing the parts to make, and now all I want to do is order this pedal and sooner or later gut and put a real clone in.

Buy a Joyo and play practically the same pedals that the tone snobs play.

 

[MetalManiac]

Re: Just bought my first Joyo... Classic Chorus

Well, it's not that people are looking for any old dirt box. Joyo has specifically copied some of the serious hot-button ubertone pedals that every tone elitist sneers are the rabble over not owning. Here's a copy from Freestompboxes.

JF-01 Vintage Overdrive = Ibanez TS-808
JF-02 Ultimate Drive = Fulltone OCD
JF-03 Crunch Distortion = Mi Audio Crunch box
JF-04 High Gain Distortion = Marshall Shredmaster
JF-05 Classic Chorus = Boss CE-2?
JF-06 Vintage Phase = MXR phase 90
JF-07 Classic Flanger = ?
JF-08 Digital Delay = ?
JF-09 Tremolo = Diaz Tremodillo
JF-10 Dynamic Compressor = MXR Dyna Comp.
JF-11 6 Band EQ - MXR 6 Band EQ
JF-12 Voodoo Octave (Fuzz Ultimate Octave) = Fulltone Ultimate Octave
JF-13 AC Tone = Tech 21 Character, Liverpool
JF-14 American Sound = Tech 21 Character, Blonde
JF-15 California Sound = Tech 21 Character, California
JF-16 British Sound = Tech 21 Character, British
JF-17 Extreme Metal = EHX Metal Muff
(JDI-01 DI Box)
(JF-30 A/B Switch)
JF-31 Noise Gate = ?
JF-32 Plexi Drive = Wampler Plexi-drive (???)
JF-33 Analog Delay = ?
JF-34 US Dream = ? (Suhr Riot)
JF-35 Pocket Metal = ?
JF-36 Sweet Baby = Mad Professor Sweet Honey
JF-37 Analog Chorus = ?
JF-38 Roll Boost = ?
JF-39 Deluxe Crunch = ?

That's just a quick search on the subject. This isn't a list of 15 year old Boss designs, this is Fulltone, Mad Professor/Bearfoot, Wampler and those Tech21s. The Sweet Baby is a pedal I have been amassing the parts to make, and now all I want to do is order this pedal and sooner or later gut and put a real clone in.

Buy a Joyo and play practically the same pedals that the tone snobs play.

Makes perfect sense now. Thanks. I'll pass though.

 

[IM4Tone]

Re: Just bought my first Joyo... Classic Chorus

I retract my 'Joyo Sucks' statement. I don't get it though. You have, for instance the old line of Duncans which are much better pedals, and now discounted. WHY would you even consider a Joyo at the present time? ? I don't want to step on any toes, and have been careful never to antagonize the moderators, at least directly/intentionally, but this is beyond me.

Because 'variety is the spice of life'. When you are addicted to the search for tone nuances (Me) and fickle as to which gives the 'best' (Me again) you just keep getting more units even though you already have some good ones. Plus one can't determine which is "better" without a thorough trial/inspection, unless one equates "better" to higher cost. I don't subscribe to 'you get what you pay for'....often you don't and sometimes you get more!

Don't try to make sense of it....it doesn't.

 

[Aceman]

Re: Just bought my first Joyo... Classic Chorus

I'll even go so far as to say that at some point there is an inverse relationship to money spent on gear and skill.

Players play. Tone tweekers dick with amps, tubes, knobs, etc....

At some point you have to get that the reason you are not happy with your sound is YOU. SOme people can't face that. They hide behind effects, amps, and flame tops.

Simon F Probably plays more and better than most here. He has TWO Joyos on his board. Just sayin'

 

[karpathion]

Re: Just bought my first Joyo... Classic Chorus

I ordered the JF-02/OCD, last night. I just couldn't pass up $32.99 with free shipping.
Even if it only lasts a year or two, it was worth the 33 bucks.

 

[Matt42]

Re: Just bought my first Joyo... Classic Chorus

I'll even go so far as to say that at some point there is an inverse relationship to money spent on gear and skill.

Players play. Tone tweekers dick with amps, tubes, knobs, etc....

At some point you have to get that the reason you are not happy with your sound is YOU. SOme people can't face that. They hide behind effects, amps, and flame tops.

Simon F Probably plays more and better than most here. He has TWO Joyos on his board. Just sayin'

I couldn't agree more. I was playing a show last summer and some guy came up to me after our first or second set and started obsessing over my tone, specifically my pickups. When I told him I was playing a stock Squier Vintage Modified, he about s**t himself. He couldn't believe I was getting those tones out of cheap gear. He claimed to have nearly $1000 worth of pickups in a drawer at home and was still unable to "get that tone." I wanted to tell him he needed to practice more, that tone was more about the player than the gear and that he probably sucked, but I refrained.

Tone is independent of price tag 95% of the time. I'd love to have a pedalboard full of Wampler, Strymon, etc pedals, but honestly the Mooers and Joyos sound great and cost less. And I'm not worried about some idiot spilling beer on them at a bar.

 

[Matt42]

Re: Just bought my first Joyo... Classic Chorus

I ordered the JF-02/OCD, last night. I just couldn't pass up $32.99 with free shipping.
Even if it only lasts a year or two, it was worth the 33 bucks.

I haven't tried the Joyo OCD clone, but I love my Mooer clone (Hustle Drive). I should pick up the Joyo one too, just for comparison.

 

[Aceman]

Re: Just bought my first Joyo... Classic Chorus

Tone is independent of price tag 95% of the time. I'd love to have a pedalboard full of Wampler, Strymon, etc pedals, but honestly the Mooers and Joyos sound great and cost less. And I'm not worried about some idiot spilling beer on them at a bar.

None of the guys whose tone you know and love went shopping at boo-teek heaven. They went out and played.

Maybe a pickup here, an amp mod there or a secret box. But NO ONE showed up with a board of 16 mega-pedals through an Uber Amp with Ultra pickups.

Slash = LP copy, A2P's, and Marshall.
Ed = Variac'd MArshall, Phase 90, and a PAF in strat (except for the album, which was T-tops in an Explorer!)

we can go on....

 

[Agileguy_101]

Re: Just bought my first Joyo... Classic Chorus

That might be, Ace, because at the time there was no boutique pedal market. That's like saying none of my favorite cool jazz-era musicians used Marshalls.

I've been told by a few musicians that are extremely skilled that I have both great tone and killer chops. To quote the bassist I jammed with last week, "When did you (Agileguy) get so good at soloing?" I don't say this to stoke my ego or impress anyone, I just offer it as proof that skill and boutique pedals do not exist completely independently.

But perhaps I may be the exception rather than the rule.

 

[karpathion]

Re: Just bought my first Joyo... Classic Chorus

That might be, Ace, because at the time there was no boutique pedal market. That's like saying none of my favorite cool jazz-era musicians used Marshalls.

I've been told by a few musicians that are extremely skilled that I have both great tone and killer chops. To quote the bassist I jammed with last week, "When did you (Agileguy) get so good at soloing?" I don't say this to stoke my ego or impress anyone, I just offer it as proof that skill and boutique pedals do not exist completely independently.

But perhaps I may be the exception rather than the rule.

I may not completely understand what you, or myself, are trying to portray here, but I play Gibson guitars, through VHT/Fryette amps. And if a $30 pedal can give me that extra inch on my green channel, that I have been looking for, then so be it. Hate all you want. If it works, it works!

 

[Phantasmagoria]

Re: Just bought my first Joyo... Classic Chorus

I like variety & flavours.... don't think I'm obsessive about tone, but I do like to hear new sounds..who does'nt haha. The cheap chinese gear I buy works wonders for that .

In the end, the kind of electronic components that go into pedals are 99.99% 'made in china' anyway. They're copying circuits and using the same components (don't forget that the chinese mass manufacturers can buy chinese components at 1/100 the marked up price they're selling them around the world/to boutique builders for..so the cheap component argument is'nt one I buy.) Either way, just going by my ears...I don't miss the big names in my rig at all. If there's a difference in tone, I honestly don't hear it.

 

[Agileguy_101]

Re: Just bought my first Joyo... Classic Chorus

I may not completely understand what you, or myself, are trying to portray here, but I play Gibson guitars, through VHT/Fryette amps. And if a $30 pedal can give me that extra inch on my green channel, that I have been looking for, then so be it. Hate all you want. If it works, it works!

I guess I was just commenting on this:

I'll even go so far as to say that at some point there is an inverse relationship to money spent on gear and skill.

 

[karpathion]

Re: Just bought my first Joyo... Classic Chorus

I guess I was just commenting on this:

Sarcasm.... It's an art lost to the internet.

 

[Agileguy_101]

Re: Just bought my first Joyo... Classic Chorus

Sarcasm.... It's an art lost to the internet.

My detector must be malfunctioning, as that statement seemed sincere to me. Perhaps I just misunderstood the intent. It wouldn't be the first time.

 

[karpathion]

Re: Just bought my first Joyo... Classic Chorus

My detector must be malfunctioning, as that statement seemed sincere to me. Perhaps I just misunderstood the intent. It wouldn't be the first time.

It's all good. Maybe I should rephrase that.

Sarcasm.. Lost to the world since Windows 95.

I see no wrong in good tone vs money. If I can get the same thing for a fraction of the price, I'm down.

Who cares what Jerry thinks.