just figured something out about recording multiple rhythm tracks

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DonLduk

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heck im recording something, and to make it sound tick and nice, im adding 2 tracks for rythms.

I had them so loud and so panned away, that they sounded like if the song had a really awful delay (echo?) hehe. So what I did was reduce the panning to 50% left and 50% right (it was on 90%!!) for each, and reduce their gain in a factor of -6dB. now it sounds so much better with the drums and bass.

just thought Id share this.
 
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Sorry dude, but gats always go 100% for me, and then another 2 in 80% ;).

That delay you're hearing is either latency or you playing reaaaally off time.
 
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yes the delay i forgot to mention was for slightly different timings on the tracks (really slightly), not delay as of effect, or latency from the PC.
 
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Hmm I'm not sure what you're saying... did you play them out of time, or what?
 
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i always go 75% each side. 100 sounds kinda empty down the middle
 
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ex-250 said:
i always go 75% each side. 100 sounds kinda empty down the middle
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That's why I'd also track another 2 tacks 80% panned left and right, fills everything out quite nicely.
 
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thanks for the tips guys, ill write that down so when I get a REAL recording (with panning, I have krystal right now) program I can actually make my guitars sound good.

chris
 
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DonLduk said:
yes the delay i forgot to mention was for slightly different timings on the tracks (really slightly), not delay as of effect, or latency from the PC.
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you mean a latency? just move the track so that the first note is on time... this should work if you played in time and should eliminate the delay!
 
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DeadSkinSlayer3 said:
That's why I'd also track another 2 tacks 80% panned left and right, fills everything out quite nicely.
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So which track would you use as the "main" sound if you would use two different amps? The main or the "overdub" amp at 100%??
And if two guitarists play do i put one guitarist left and the other one right?
 
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Here`s some helpfull tips!
Forget about those rules on how much you should pan a track,Cause there are non. it`s all about what you think is right for the song.
If you want a tight ryhthm guitars you can either copy or "dub" the track.
when copy a track,add some predelay and use a different eq.pan left and right.
This will sound fat and thight without that delay your talking about.
What you did was to dub the track,when dubbibg a track there will allways be a latency betwen the guitars causing a "chorus effect".this sounds very open .
If you want it even fater simply add some more guitars.
Another trick is to use different guitars and amps.........blahblahblah
 
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Marcel said:
So which track would you use as the "main" sound if you would use two different amps? The main or the "overdub" amp at 100%??
And if two guitarists play do i put one guitarist left and the other one right?
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You don't really have a 'main' sound when mixing amps like that, it's more of the two blending that gives you the main sound. That said, I'd go with the thicker/fatter/darker amp on the 100's. (IE Recto on 100, 5150/Krank on 80, etc)

If they're both *really* tight players, go one full left and one full right. Personally, though, because most players aren't that tight unless they have past recording experience, I'd pick the tightest guitarist and use him for all the rhythm tracks.



kaffimann said:
If you want a tight ryhthm guitars you can either copy or "dub" the track. when copy a track,add some predelay and use a different eq.pan left and right. This will sound fat and thight without that delay your talking about. What you did was to dub the track,when dubbibg a track there will allways be a latency betwen the guitars causing a "chorus effect".this sounds very open . If you want it even fater simply add some more guitars.
Another trick is to use different guitars and amps.........blahblahblah
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NO NO NO NO NO. NEVER copy and paste a guitar track. Just do another run through!

It won't have a chorusing sound AT ALL if you're a decent player. If you don't agree, check out ANY professionally produced album. They had to do guitars on both sides of the stereo field - NO chorusing! I wonder how?
 
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DeadSkinSlayer3 said:
You don't really have a 'main' sound when mixing amps like that, it's more of the two blending that gives you the main sound. That said, I'd go with the thicker/fatter/darker amp on the 100's. (IE Recto on 100, 5150/Krank on 80, etc)

If they're both *really* tight players, go one full left and one full right. Personally, though, because most players aren't that tight unless they have past recording experience, I'd pick the tightest guitarist and use him for all the rhythm tracks.









NO NO NO NO NO. NEVER copy and paste a guitar track. Just do another run through!

It won't have a chorusing sound AT ALL if you're a decent player. If you don't agree, check out ANY professionally produced album. They had to do guitars on both sides of the stereo field - NO chorusing! I wonder how?
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Sorry if you didn`t like my advices! Have you heard of the band turbonegro?
If not,search for a song and listen.... read about studio techs.
By the way.......hell yeah,i`v done a couple of pro recordings!!!!!
 
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multitracking is like group sex. the more the merrier
 
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DeadSkinSlayer3 said:
You don't really have a 'main' sound when mixing amps like that, it's more of the two blending that gives you the main sound. That said, I'd go with the thicker/fatter/darker amp on the 100's. (IE Recto on 100, 5150/Krank on 80, etc)

If they're both *really* tight players, go one full left and one full right. Personally, though, because most players aren't that tight unless they have past recording experience, I'd pick the tightest guitarist and use him for all the rhythm tracks.
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Yeah thx... I hope we are tight enough...though I am more afraid of squels (?) and dirty notes etc than of playing out of time ;)

6505 will be the darker amp probably but we have to try if we are recording...

sorry for hijacking
 
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I'm hard panning and doubling almost every rhythm track I record these days. I don't copy tracks because no matter how consistently you can play a riff or lick, you'll never play the exact thing twice, which, IMO, is the reason multi-tracking sounds as thick as it does (because each track has tiny inconsistencies that make it different from teh others). Try a "copy double" sometime and hard-pan it... instead of two distinct guitars in each the left and right channel, it will sound like a single, louder guitar right down the middle. You can always post apply effects, but I'm not much a fan of post-applied effects.
 
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Ah the debate that always comes full circle about multitracking. You can get great sounds from very few tracks just as easily as you can from tons of tracks. Its all about technique. There is no rule about multitracking.
 
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Show me your skills in my new Thread!!!!!
 
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MikeS said:
Try a "copy double" sometime and hard-pan it... instead of two distinct guitars in each the left and right channel, it will sound like a single, louder guitar right down the middle. You can always post apply effects, but I'm not much a fan of post-applied effects.
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yeah sure it's thee same than having the single track amplified!
 
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kaffimann said:
Sorry if you didn`t like my advices! Have you heard of the band turbonegro?
If not,search for a song and listen.... read about studio techs.
By the way.......hell yeah,i`v done a couple of pro recordings!!!!!
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It's not that I didn't like your advice, but I would never advise someone to copy and paste a track, and then use a slight time shift to even things out. Double tracking it with another take through, and I feel it sounds way less mechanical, and thicker, tonewise.
 
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