Just how "clean" is a Twin Reverb?

Young Angus

Kometose Tonologist
I'm in the market for a seriously big fat clean sounding amp for my relatively new funk/motown band and I'm looking at Fender amps.

I've looked at the Supersonic combo which was really nice and am also looking at the Deluxe Reverb (not the hot rod)...but was also thinking about the Twin Reverb since I've seen it being used by Anthony Wilson on the Dianna Krall DVD and it sounded pretty awesome...but that wasn't really funk clean.

Just how big, clean and crisp would a Twin Reverb get?
 
Re: Just how "clean" is a Twin Reverb?

The twin reverb is considered a "clean but with character" amp. The early 60's 85 watt version was rated at 5% distortion. The later 100 watt version was rated at 10% distortion. In this case, the "character" really means distortion.

I don't know about the 135 watt twin and beyond, but before that, the stock speakers - meaning the non JBL upgrades, were only rated to handle about 1/2 the power of the amp. That's one of the reasons Ted Nugent used each of his twin reverbs (from 3 to 6) on top of a dual showman cabinet out of the extension speaker jack.

If you are really looking for big, clean and crisp - you need a solid state amp.

If you want to stay with tube amps, a better choice between the amps you mentioned would be a Super Reverb. It has been used for a lot of funk/motown recordings - much more than a twin or deluxe reverb.
 
Re: Just how "clean" is a Twin Reverb?

A twin reverb is a tube amp and it will distort...however the TR has so much power that it will be pretty loud by the time it breaks up. I have a 1969 model thats been blackfaced and tweaked a little currently it is loaded with an older pair of eminence speakers which are just so, so. With the "right" speakers a Twin Reverb is one of the best sounding amps for clean ever IMO.

I am not a fan of the 100 watt and 135 watt twins as then tend to be very harsh to my ears, but a good 85 watt BF Twin or an early SF twin that has been blackfaced is a great amp...a heavy amp but well worth it IMO if what you are looking for is a nice clean tone, very crisp and punchy with the "right" speakers.
 
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I had a 135 watt Twin. We're talk'in LOUD & CLEAN ! When I 1st got it (Just like Christian mentioned) It was bright & harsh sounding. (I would say the 135 ultra linear Twin was the pinnacle of the Sivlerface sound).I had My buddy do a BF mod to it,And I put Celestions in it. This made the amp usable, But as I found out the hard way. The amp was much to loud and brash to use in a small club.:smack: and still had a over the top brightness that I could not dial out? I ended up giving the amp to my buddy for his B-day. He took the Celestion's out (G12-70M's The inherent problem) and put in a pair of vintage Electro-Voice SRO coffee cans. The amp sounds great now! Nice and fat and full, No harshness.:smack: Still to freaking LOUD.:laugh2:
 
Re: Just how "clean" is a Twin Reverb?

I'm in the market for a seriously big fat clean sounding amp for my relatively new funk/motown band and I'm looking at Fender amps.

I've looked at the Supersonic combo which was really nice and am also looking at the Deluxe Reverb (not the hot rod)...but was also thinking about the Twin Reverb since I've seen it being used by Anthony Wilson on the Dianna Krall DVD and it sounded pretty awesome...but that wasn't really funk clean.

Just how big, clean and crisp would a Twin Reverb get?

Even the reissues take all volumes at maximum to achieve breakup (but with those Jensens the speakers might break before they breakup). I dunno, my amp seems to be a lot more clean than a Delta Blues, but I have some stuff to fix in it, so I can't really comment on "genuine" tone. But as far as the reissues, yes, they're hella-clean. Some people claim this amp is the cleanest known, some say it's the Fender Super Reverb.

Mine's loaded with Celestion Classic Leads (previously Modern Leads, which I'm selling on eBay), and it seems very clean (and loud). Even in the club (with one broken speaker Modern Lead set) that one night, volume at 9, I got no distortion from the amp with my ME-50 on a "standby" setting and my ESP with Hot Rodded combo using both pickups in split mode together for some funk / motown on "Come See About Me". I also played "Hurts So Good" and "Black Velvet" through distortion (bank 5 patch 1) from the JB and there was no additional distortion coming from the amp.
 
Re: Just how "clean" is a Twin Reverb?

If you are really looking for big, clean and crisp - you need a solid state amp.

I was always under the impression that, generally speaking, Tube amps were much better at both cleans and dirties. Am I wrong? To my ears, tubers give off much more full/warm/deep sounds than SS amps do, partially why I'll never buy a SS amp.
 
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If you are really looking for big, clean and crisp - you need a solid state amp.

Reminds me of something someone once said when digging through a can of cat food, that with all that horse meat they were surprised there wasn't a pony in the bottom of the can.

Sorry bro, but that has got to be the most unfair, biased, stereotypical misconception I've ever heard. Even if it were true, an amp without a guitar isn't a complete instrument, so it's not the only factor in the total sound equation.
 
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I had a 135 watt Twin. We're talk'in LOUD & CLEAN ! When I 1st got it (Just like Christian mentioned) It was bright & harsh sounding. (I would say the 135 ultra linear Twin was the pinnacle of the Sivlerface sound).I had My buddy do a BF mod to it,And I put Celestions in it. This made the amp usable, But as I found out the hard way. The amp was much to loud and brash to use in a small club.:smack: and still had a over the top brightness that I could not dial out? I ended up giving the amp to my buddy for his B-day. He took the Celestion's out (G12-70M's The inherent problem) and put in a pair of vintage Electro-Voice SRO coffee cans. The amp sounds great now! Nice and fat and full, No harshness.:smack: Still to freaking LOUD.:laugh2:

Thats a great thing to point out...IMO Celestions and twins don't gp well together...in a Deluxe Reveb you can get away with a G12H30 and it sounds great but Celestion doesn't make a speaker that, IMO sounds amazing in a Twin Reverb. If you;re gonna use it just for cleans look for a set of orange frame JBL's and be done with it...it will be loud as hell and heavy as a ton of bricks but it'll be clean!
 
Re: Just how "clean" is a Twin Reverb?

I'm in the market for a seriously big fat clean sounding amp for my relatively new funk/motown band and I'm looking at Fender amps.

I've looked at the Supersonic combo which was really nice and am also looking at the Deluxe Reverb (not the hot rod)...but was also thinking about the Twin Reverb since I've seen it being used by Anthony Wilson on the Dianna Krall DVD and it sounded pretty awesome...but that wasn't really funk clean.

Just how big, clean and crisp would a Twin Reverb get?

Twins certainly do the big clean thing well. They're sort of the industry standard big stage clean amp, and I see a lot of guys using them.

But if you're going for a 60s sound, then you may want to look at a smaller amp, as most of the great soul and funk reocrds of that era were recorded using lower wattage amps, and it's not uncommon to hear a hint of dirt. The ultra clean thing is more of a 70s/80s feel, when the uprated silverface amps and solid state stuff became popular.

I play in a 12 piece soul/funk/afrobeat band with a very 60s oriented sound, and the sweet spot for me is a 30-40 watt amp with dual speakers. Amps around that rating have enough clean headroom to just start breaking up when my band is getting excited, and can get a full sound without overpowering the band. I've used a Mesa Blue Angel, a Custom Vibrolux and a Victoria Double Deluxe, and all have worked well, but I've also had decent experiences on the road with hot rod devilles, deluxes, and AC30s. I personally avoid twins, but that's just me. The twin is certainly a classic amp for this kind of music. And the blackface deluxe would be a tad underpowered, I feel.

You should also think about the guitars you'll use. For example, if you're using humbucker guitars then a glassier blackface tone will work well. However, a pre-blackface circuit might give a nice reinforcement to your mids if you're using a tele or strat. Having a strong midrange that isn't annoying is very important when dealing with beng heard alongside keys and horns.

Of the amps you suggest, the supersonic is a cool choice as you can get pretty glassy with the vibrolux setting, but also quite a bit warmer with the bassman setting. That would allow for some nice variety.
 
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Yeah I still like the Supersonic for that reason just mentioned...the variety.

And as far as the guitar/pickups I'll be using I'll have my alder strat which I want to put a set of Lindy Fralin singles into, but the main guitar I want to use will probably be my PRS with tripple P90's :D
 
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Thats a great thing to point out...IMO Celestions and twins don't gp well together...in a Deluxe Reveb you can get away with a G12H30 and it sounds great but Celestion doesn't make a speaker that, IMO sounds amazing in a Twin Reverb. If you;re gonna use it just for cleans look for a set of orange frame JBL's and be done with it...it will be loud as hell and heavy as a ton of bricks but it'll be clean!

Yeah, The JBL-DF120's came stock in (Or special ordered) in many High powered fender amps up until the mid 70's. (Duane Allman's secret weapon in his Marshall cabs.) Good luck finding one now for under $200 a Pc.:smack: The SRO's can still be Had at a reasonable price. In a late model SF amp's that is annoyingly bright, The SRO's are a marriage made in heaven. The JBL's are a very neutral speaker while the SRO's are very bottom heavy with neutral mids and a just a chime in the upper mids (No real high end to speak of) I wish I thought of it.:smack: To bad they didn't have forums like this back then to find this stuff out.
 
Re: Just how "clean" is a Twin Reverb?

Twin Reverb + vintage output pickups = Mucho headroom :approve:
 
Re: Just how "clean" is a Twin Reverb?

Yeah, The JBL-DF120's came stock in (Or special ordered) in many High powered fender amps up until the mid 70's. (Duane Allman's secret weapon in his Marshall cabs.) Good luck finding one now for under $200 a Pc.:smack: The SRO's can still be Had at a reasonable price. In a late model SF amp's that is annoyingly bright, The SRO's are a marriage made in heaven. The JBL's are a very neutral speaker while the SRO's are very bottom heavy with neutral mids and a just a chime in the upper mids (No real high end to speak of) I wish I thought of it.:smack: To bad they didn't have forums like this back then to find this stuff out.

Ted Weber makes a JBL clone and they run less than $100 each, they can also be had with or without that aluminum dust cap.

I much prefer EV's to JBL's to be honest but if you're looiking for max clean headroom and a clean tone a JBL loaded BF Twin Reverb is still the standard!
 
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The Twin Reverb was pretty much the standard for R'n'B rhythm---Jimmy Nolen used one a lot of the time, it was in the contract riders for Little Milton, Bobby Blue Bland, and BB. It was also used by lots of players in the organ trio world (Benson, Burrell, Martino, etc). The Super is going to break up a lot sooner and has a little too much midrange honk. With a set of clean speakers (EV's, etc), you can get a big warm tone with plenty of scratch for the highend.
 
Re: Just how "clean" is a Twin Reverb?

Long as you keep that Twin under 4 it'll be loud and clean. Crank it above 5 or 6, to 7-10, and it'll distort like any other amp. Tinnitus here I come...

Lew
 
Re: Just how "clean" is a Twin Reverb?

A Twin is a clean amp, but its real magic to me is its sound just as you hit about 5 on the volume, where the sound is clean but really rings out with semi-overdriven harmonics and overtones.

I think twins are some of the best clean amps ever made, but they aren't straight up clinically clean to my ears. Something like a JC120 is truly a clean sounding amp, in my opinion.
 
Re: Just how "clean" is a Twin Reverb?

Thats a great thing to point out...IMO Celestions and twins don't gp well together...in a Deluxe Reveb you can get away with a G12H30 and it sounds great but Celestion doesn't make a speaker that, IMO sounds amazing in a Twin Reverb. If you;re gonna use it just for cleans look for a set of orange frame JBL's and be done with it...it will be loud as hell and heavy as a ton of bricks but it'll be clean!

Mine sounds beautiful, loud, and clean with a set of Celestion Classic Leads. I wouldn't try anything under $50 per speaker in a tube amp and think it would sound good, but that's just my opinion. Still, mine does distort at the higher volumes, but I think it's because I desperately need to change tubes and replace capacitors, so I can't really guarantee that my experience right now is 100%.
 
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