just put new bridge pup into my tele, and rewired - now neck is far too bassy

[adam_rushmer]

well the title says it all really.
before; i had a 60's wiring setup, with a SD STR1 and a texas special in the rear. now ive put an SD antiquity into the bridge and rewired with the 50's style wiring.

now when i have only the neck pup selected, its much quieter, but i think thats cos there is no treble. i mean no treble at all. even the tone knob does nothing, not even make it bassier.

im guessing that the tone pot is not interacting with the neck pup? not giving it treble? could it be faulty caps?

any help would be so great!!
thanks in advance
adam

 

[Toenail-Tommy]

Re: just put new bridge pup into my tele, and rewired - now neck is far too bassy

Maybe there's a short somewhere. Sounds like you've got the cap fully engaged, as opposed to having it go via the pot. If you disconnect the cap, does the problem go away? Check one of the SD site schematics carefully. You'll be rocking soon. Good luck

 

[adam_rushmer]

Re: just put new bridge pup into my tele, and rewired - now neck is far too bassy

hi, first off, thanks for the reply! it turns out that yes, when i remove the .1 cap from btx the switch and the vol pot, the treble comes back to the neck pup. what am i doing wrong? how can i wire it in the 50's style correctly?

thanks again,
adam

 

[Lewguitar]

Re: just put new bridge pup into my tele, and rewired - now neck is far too bassy

Are you wiring it like an early 50's Tele? That would give you the neck pickup connected to a.1 cap that rolls off all of the treble.

That's the way alot of 50's Tele's were wired, so that in the #1 position the neck pickup could be used as a substitute for a BASS...the electric Bass had not yet been invented in 1950.

Forget all that stuff and just wire your Tele the way they are wired these days. Forget the .1 cap on the neck pickup...get rid of it.

Connect the tone control to the volume control with a .02 cap (or .047 cap if you want a woofier tone when you roll down the treble).

Then wire the switch to give you:

1. neck pickup
2. neck pickup & Bridge pickup
3. Bridge pickup

Lew

 

[Lewguitar]

Re: just put new bridge pup into my tele, and rewired - now neck is far too bassy

Here's the way to do it:

http://www.seymourduncan.com/website/support/schematics/std_tele.html

 

[adam_rushmer]

Re: just put new bridge pup into my tele, and rewired - now neck is far too bassy

yeh it was a 53 diagram! i had a choice of a '53 or a '66 diagram. so i chose the '53 to replicate the early 60's. but that will explain it then, why when the switch was in position 1 i had no bass!

heres what i have done so far, from the '53 diagram, but ive taken off the .1 cap.

also, is a '473Z' ceramic cap, the equivilent of or virtually the same as a .05?

so, all i need to do is lose the .1 cap and rewire to accomodate it?

 

[adam_rushmer]

Re: just put new bridge pup into my tele, and rewired - now neck is far too bassy

Here's the way to do it:

http://www.seymourduncan.com/website/support/schematics/std_tele.html

thanks for that. thats a great help. i never knew they were wired that way in the 50's to replicate a bass!

is that the way they wired them in the early 60's? or did they use the single cap way? its just that early 60's tone is so incredible, and ive got an antiquity II in the bridge. i just thought id wire it the way it was meant to be. you still suggest wiring it like the modern tele's?

thanks again, im so pleased its not a problem with the components! (already had one neck pup die on me this year :smack: )

 

[Lewguitar]

Re: just put new bridge pup into my tele, and rewired - now neck is far too bassy

thanks for that. thats a great help. i never knew they were wired that way in the 50's to replicate a bass!

is that the way they wired them in the early 60's? or did they use the single cap way? its just that early 60's tone is so incredible, and ive got an antiquity II in the bridge. i just thought id wire it the way it was meant to be. you still suggest wiring it like the modern tele's?

thanks again, im so pleased its not a problem with the components! (already had one neck pup die on me this year :smack: )

Yes. I don't know anyone who leave's thier '52 Tele wired stock. That early 50's wiring makes the neck pickup uselessly bassy. Lew

 

[adam_rushmer]

Re: just put new bridge pup into my tele, and rewired - now neck is far too bassy

cheers. problem solved. everythings great! infact that new pup is so much sweeter than the texas special that came in it! i should have changed it much sooner!!

another happy SD customer :headbang:

 

[Lewguitar]

Re: just put new bridge pup into my tele, and rewired - now neck is far too bassy

cheers. problem solved. everythings great! infact that new pup is so much sweeter than the texas special that came in it! i should have changed it much sooner!!

another happy SD customer :headbang:

There ya go! Glad to Help....and Congratulations!

 

[adam_rushmer]

Re: just put new bridge pup into my tele, and rewired - now neck is far too bassy

thanks again, but just one more thing; its wired with one cap between the two pots, and its still a tad bassy. more than before i started messing around with it i think. is there anything that could be doing that? im using a different cap to before but its the same value. maybe the interaction btx the new pup and the older neck one? maybe the one of te pots got too hot when i was soldering. the pool of solder to 'ground' took ages to melt, and i just felt that the pot might have taken too much heat? anyway its not a problem, i just noticed a difference and its a little on the bassy side.
its not too much of a problem if i cant fix it.
thanks again,
adam

 

[PhatStrat]

Re: just put new bridge pup into my tele, and rewired - now neck is far too bassy

What value cap are you using? Basically, the higher the cap resistance the more treble it will bleed off. If for example you wired it with a .0473, try changing it out to a .022.

 

[adam_rushmer]

Re: just put new bridge pup into my tele, and rewired - now neck is far too bassy

k i'll give it a go, thanks. i just want a compromise really. the neck is a little too bassy and the bridge a little too piercing and trebley lol. how frustrating :smack:

 

[Lewguitar]

Re: just put new bridge pup into my tele, and rewired - now neck is far too bassy

I wire my '54 Tele a little differant than most people. I use a .02 Sprague Orange Drop cap and I connect it to the middle termal of the volume pot (same one that leads to the output jack) and the middle terminal of tone pot. That helps retain highs. Try it. Lew

 

[Toenail-Tommy]

Re: just put new bridge pup into my tele, and rewired - now neck is far too bassy

To further confuse matters, perhaps you could employ a cap for each pup. Not sure how, but perhaps on a push pull tone pot, you could have "up" for neck pup (with only a slight top-cutting cap) and down for bridge (with a more intense cut). Then when in middle switch position it bypasses the caps altogether? Probably not possible with a 3-way. But if you are stuck between ice-pick bridge, and too-wide-bottom bridge....