Kemper Profiling Amp anyone? it is a modeler technological marvel??

Re: Kemper Profiling Amp anyone? it is a modeler technological marvel??

So its a Do it yourself modelling amp.
Great if you like modelling amps. All you gotta do is get hold of the real amps you dig and model them.
Otherwise, just buy an eleven rack or something...they have already done the modelling for you.
 
Re: Kemper Profiling Amp anyone? it is a modeler technological marvel??

Someone correct me if i'm wrong...

You profile one specific setting on the amp, so if you wanted slightly less gain you can't just turn down the gain, you'd have to profile a whole new patch?

How about the EQ? I gather it has onboard eq, but that you can't module the way the eq works in the original amp?

I don't get it either - if you turn down the volume on the guitar itself, would it react like the real deal? Not saying they didn't account for all that, I just can't fathom it.
 
Re: Kemper Profiling Amp anyone? it is a modeler technological marvel??

I asked a similar question about 1-½ week ago…

Not sure if I got the name right, but at last night’s gig and German guitar playing friend brought a ‘Kemper Profile or Profiling (???) Amp” to the gig.

It is a funny looking box with a small handle and a bunch of knobs in front on it. But none of those are important. Here is what Karl showed me…

1) It can copy each of my amplifiers separately and copy the tone of each in just a few seconds.

2) It has a crazy organic tone, feel and vibe that has to be heard to believe.

3) It got the EXACT sound onstage from my amps in just under one minute.

4) It has a lot of effects and amp tones, but does not sound digital.

Karl told me that it is new on the market, yet I could not find anything on the internet (I possible have the name wrong)

Karl also told me that it cost him US$1850 and for that price it needs to have internet marketing and youtube demos.

Does anyone know anything about this unit and what is the correct name?



I have heard it in action and was impressed how it can copy a tube amp sound.
 
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Re: Kemper Profiling Amp anyone? it is a modeler technological marvel??

I'd rather have one great-sounding tube amp and a ton of pedals to give me various sounds than a reasonable digital facsimile of anything...

Digital is coming a long way... but why bother when there's so much great analogue geat to be had?
 
Re: Kemper Profiling Amp anyone? it is a modeler technological marvel??

I'd rather have one great-sounding tube amp and a ton of pedals to give me various sounds than a reasonable digital facsimile of anything...

Digital is coming a long way... but why bother when there's so much great analogue geat to be had?

to my ears I agree

but I make demos at home every week and that is super fun for me, I get excited about gizmos that seem promising like axefx2 and kemper, prolly gonna wait for 2nd gen kemper to be perfected in a few years and then will buy it

great tone straight to the dome

(via headphones)

money! :)
 
Re: Kemper Profiling Amp anyone? it is a modeler technological marvel??

Good! The more people who switch to that crap, the cheaper real amps will be for the rest of us.
 
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Woundtight just got one. I told him to stop by and tell us about it. I get to go to Cleveland and check it out 1st week in April.
 
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One thing that drives me crazy about criticism of digital gear is this;

- A person gets a line6, 11rack or axefx... they run it straight into the board or computer and listen to it through headphones or studio monitors.

Then, they don't compare the tone to a similar situation with tube gear. They don't compare it to the sound of listenning to your tube amp through headphones or studio monitors as it's mic'd up in an isolation room.

Instead, they compare the tone of digital gear they're hearing through studio monitors/headphones to the tone of a tube amp when they're stood next to it in the same room. Their conclusion is that the digital gear lacks the feeling of pushing air that one gets when stood next to a 4x12 (duh!) and people don't seem to figure out it's because they're not comparing similar things.

A lot of people say that digital gear sounds ok in the mix but doesn't sound real in person when you're just jamming, and my assertion is that this opinion comes from hearing the gear in the context of recorded sound (using it direct) rather than any problem with the sound itself.

A better comparison would be to compare the tones of playing through a tube head & 4x12 in the same room as yourself, with the tones of playing through a modeller w/ a FULL RANGE FLAT RESPONSE power amp and speaker combo of a similar power to the tube amp. But very very few people have actually done this! If you did, the modeller would also be driving large speakers and pushing a lot of air and i think this would make up for the lack of that sensation that is inherent in listenning through headphones or studio monitors.

Some people have played a modeller through a PA system, or they have played a modeller from a VHT/Mesa/Marshall power amp and guitar cabinet and think this is a suitable comparison... but it is not. If you sending your modelled guitar signal through the PA along with the keyboards & vocals, and then position those speakers in front of you and facing the audience... then of course you're not going to get a similar feeling to a 4x12 pushing air at your thighs from behind. Likewise, that Mesa power amp and cab you're using is colouring the sound in an adverse way, it's not a true reflection of the modelled sound, you need FRFR for that.

I've not had the opportunity myself to play an AxeFx at all, nevermind through a FRFR system. I have had the chance though to play a Line6 XT through an Atomic amp and that setup overcome a lot of the criticisms i hear digital gear about how it doesn't feel like being stood next to a real amp. I can only imagine that playing an Axefx2 through an even more superior FRFR system would be even better. Most people who criticise the AxeFx though haven't even heard one in person at all, nevermind through a suitable speaker system. If you're going to judge a unit by it's direct recorded sound in a youtube video, then it's foolish to compare that to the sound you experience playing your tube amp in a jam room.

Of course, you could argue that if an AxeFx can't match a tube amp by just going direct, then what's the point? Well, it still has many advantages in weight, versitility, recording, etc. I appreciate that buying a suitable FRFR speaker for it and a floorboard to operate it puts the price for a live-use AxeFx in the $3500 range easily, and so the price might make it not-worth-it for many people. But you still can't deny the advantages it has over conventional gear and for those with money it's worth it.

Lot of words for someone who has not tried the gear with FRFR speakers in a club (e.g., live) setting…
 
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Re: Kemper Profiling Amp anyone? it is a modeler technological marvel??

Mattt... do you think its possible that i just like my vintage stuff because i like it?

Its what i know... gets me the sound i want... and its more dependable and maintains value better than digital.

They come out with the latest and greatest new digital modeller every 6 months or so.... and they've delivered on their promise of offering guitarists lots of sounds easily and affordably... but i like my real amps better.
 
Re: Kemper Profiling Amp anyone? it is a modeler technological marvel??

The way i look at it is.

Digital stuff becomes obsolete.

Valve amps dont.

Says a lot if you ask me
 
Re: Kemper Profiling Amp anyone? it is a modeler technological marvel??

digital goes down in value but still sounds the same 10 years from now. some tube amps go way down in value too and require tubes and maintenance. digital allows us to do things like reamping and compressing to give us more options. tube recordings require great rooms and great microphones to record in at extreme loud volumes.
 
Re: Kemper Profiling Amp anyone? it is a modeler technological marvel??

digital goes down in value but still sounds the same 10 years from now. some tube amps go way down in value too and require tubes and maintenance. digital allows us to do things like reamping and compressing to give us more options. tube recordings require great rooms and great microphones to record in at extreme loud volumes.

I can reamp with my amp.....

And just for the record i don't have anything against modellers the sound/feel/look just isnt for me.

Another good point is that sure they need maintenance but if a modeller breaks theres a 90% chance thats it, oh also tube amps dont have batterys that go flat and wipe the user memory like the axe :cool2:
 
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I can reamp with my amp.....

And just for the record i don't have anything against modellers the sound/feel/look just isnt for me.

Another good point is that sure they need maintenance but if a modeller breaks theres a 90% chance thats it, oh also tube amps dont have batterys that go flat and wipe the user memory like the axe :cool2:

ya, I am just saying reamping technology is computer based that we did not have 10 years ago that allows people to reamp with tube amps digital etc

I dont know much about maintenance on these kempers or axefx. but I never had a problem with my line 6 podfarm/toneport cause there is not much to break...

I have a super awesome tube amp so I know there are pros/cons to digital and tube.

I suppose we need a thread separate from this kemper thread for any further tube/digital debate...
 
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Completely off topic...

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Size isn't everything, man. Come on. Give it a try.
 
Re: Kemper Profiling Amp anyone? it is a modeler technological marvel??

Hey, if you like your tube gear then power to you.

I'm just pointing out that the views most people have about digital gear are UNSCIENTIFIC. If that point is not important to most people, then that's a very very sad reflection on the world.

You realize that there are LOTS of guitarists that dont want anything scientific anywhere near their gear or music? Music is an ART! not a science. Science will never create electric lady land.
 
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I don't see how having a scientific or non-scientific opinion on a technological issue has anything to do with composition of music and artistic creation. Are you suggesting that if you are scientific in your analysis of amplifier technology then that would somehow impede your artistic abilities?

I'd love to hear your reasoning on that.

Are you suggesting that we must not think about non-compositional/non-performance matters in a logical way lest we risk becoming souless and our art suffers?!

Iam straight up telling you that to create music you dont have to use science.

YOU on the other hand called it sad that people dont look at things scientifically. My whole point is that they dont have to to create music.

You want guys to all use modellers in a certain way. A way you admit to not having done either. But you fail to realize that there are no rules. You jump up and down that "well if you did it my way you would see it like i do" but guess what they arent you and they dont and wont see it like you.

I dont have to use science in anything I do your more than welcome to do so but it certainly isnt required.
 
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I have just thought of an amazing reason to buy a KPA!

When i am doing mods to amps i generally do them in stages and record clips of each channel in between the stages.

If i had a kemper i could profile the stages and then play back through them to get a better feel of what was happening rather than listening the clips....

I must resist....
 
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Can't you tell me where in the conversation we started talking about creating music?

You brought up that topic, and i have pointed out that it is unrelated to the discussion at hand.

The discussion is about comparing one piece of technological equipment to another piece of technological equipment and doing so in a way that is unscientific... it's got nothing to do with creating music.

It's true that you don't need science to write music, but this conversation is not about note choice and the structure of a piece of music or song... can't you see that?

Um yes i can but cant you see that as an art there are no "rules" to how you use the equipment.

You claim that people use modelers wrong and if they would just use them like you do (or more correctly like you want them to) that they would all change their minds. Then you say that its sad that the world doesnt approach science the way you do. My whole point is they dont and they wont. But that doesnt make them wrong. Gear selection is highly subjective. Sure i will contend that if people use the gear how you say then they can make comparisons how you say they could sure. But the truth is people dont do that but that doenst make your approach superior. It might be for you but that may not for everybody.
 
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