Kemper - what's the point?
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Aceman
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Re: Kemper - what's the point?
Which is interesting, because everyone says they can tell the difference between Kemper and real tubes, which means it doesn't sound the same either....
Which is interesting, because everyone says they can tell the difference between Kemper and real tubes, which means it doesn't sound the same either....
Aceman
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Re: Kemper - what's the point?
Which is what cracks me up about the Uber-tone at a gig guys. These must be guys that meant to say "If I ever did a gig....I'd want..."
Because, you know, the difference between a POD and a Kemper through PA that is filling a parking lot is night and day!
Which is what cracks me up about the Uber-tone at a gig guys. These must be guys that meant to say "If I ever did a gig....I'd want..."
Because, you know, the difference between a POD and a Kemper through PA that is filling a parking lot is night and day!
Aceman
I am your doctor of love!
Re: Kemper - what's the point?
You mean a real SLO (How many have actually heard one of those in a room anyway?), not a modeled SLO. Except the Kemper model, which is still not the same as the real tube amp. except for your Personally modeled SLO....:lmao:
Then again, who needs more amps when we know that nothing sounds better than an SLO?
You mean a real SLO (How many have actually heard one of those in a room anyway?), not a modeled SLO. Except the Kemper model, which is still not the same as the real tube amp. except for your Personally modeled SLO....:lmao:
Sirion
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Re: Kemper - what's the point?
I have no idea about how a Kemper-modelled one would sound, but the original is plenty for me!
I have no idea about how a Kemper-modelled one would sound, but the original is plenty for me!
LLL
New member
Re: Kemper - what's the point?
It doesn't take much brain power to understand what the Kemper does/is.
From the homepage:
https://www.kemper-amps.com/products/profiler/line-up
Is it the best sounding amp in the world? Doubt it... but/and that's kinda just a "semantics" question due to the design of the Kemper (it's a profiler).
But one can surmise that it sounds very close to the real thing (whatever amp(s) you've profiled).
It's meant for two things:
1) tone-cloning other amps with excellent accuracy
2) a portable amp "farm"
Possible scenarios:
1) guitarist never owned and doesn't have the $ for a vintage 1968 Plexi; grabs the '68 Plexi Kemper profile and now can haz Plexi tone
2) guitarist with a barn full of vintage amps tone-clones all of them so he can protect his investments and use the Kemper for playing out
3) guitarist with 3 amps doesn't want to lug them around due to weight/space concerns; Tone-clones them into the Kemper for playing out
4) guitarist has 1 amp for clean and 1 amp for dirt; Tone-clones them into the Kemper and can switch between amps easily
5) studio owner loads up Kemper with tons of amp profiles for his clients to peruse/use
etc...
It doesn't take much brain power to understand what the Kemper does/is.
From the homepage:
https://www.kemper-amps.com/products/profiler/line-up
Is it the best sounding amp in the world? Doubt it... but/and that's kinda just a "semantics" question due to the design of the Kemper (it's a profiler).
But one can surmise that it sounds very close to the real thing (whatever amp(s) you've profiled).
It's meant for two things:
1) tone-cloning other amps with excellent accuracy
2) a portable amp "farm"
Possible scenarios:
1) guitarist never owned and doesn't have the $ for a vintage 1968 Plexi; grabs the '68 Plexi Kemper profile and now can haz Plexi tone
2) guitarist with a barn full of vintage amps tone-clones all of them so he can protect his investments and use the Kemper for playing out
3) guitarist with 3 amps doesn't want to lug them around due to weight/space concerns; Tone-clones them into the Kemper for playing out
4) guitarist has 1 amp for clean and 1 amp for dirt; Tone-clones them into the Kemper and can switch between amps easily
5) studio owner loads up Kemper with tons of amp profiles for his clients to peruse/use
etc...
GuitarStv
Sock Market Trader
Re: Kemper - what's the point?
This is some of the most useless ad-speak crap that I've ever heard for a product. "sonic DNA" is a made up term that could mean anything, and is captured using a 'unique technology'. Which again, could mean anything.
I strongly suspect "We run a frequency sweep through the amp a couple times to figure out it's relative EQ, then do multi-band tests of compression, and check the waveform for irregularities . . . . plug it into an algorithm and by hitting it with some DSP, a multiband EQ, and some multi-band compression end up with something that sounds like it's in the same ballpark." would be a lot more honest.
This is some of the most useless ad-speak crap that I've ever heard for a product. "sonic DNA" is a made up term that could mean anything, and is captured using a 'unique technology'. Which again, could mean anything.
I strongly suspect "We run a frequency sweep through the amp a couple times to figure out it's relative EQ, then do multi-band tests of compression, and check the waveform for irregularities . . . . plug it into an algorithm and by hitting it with some DSP, a multiband EQ, and some multi-band compression end up with something that sounds like it's in the same ballpark." would be a lot more honest.
Demanic
PenultimateTone Member
Re: Kemper - what's the point?
It's a marvelous world that we live in.
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I'm guessing that you will not be adding one to your collection any time soon. Which is fine. Neither you, nor anyone else is obligated to purchase one. Just as anyone who has purchased and been satisfied with one is obligated to care that some don't see the point in doing so.
It's a marvelous world that we live in.
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justFred
Well-known member
Re: Kemper - what's the point?
https://www.musicradar.com/amp/news/mark-knopfler-is-now-using-kemper-profiling-amps-onstage
if Mark Knopfler can buy in to Kemper it would seem it must do a mighty fine job...
EOS
https://www.musicradar.com/amp/news/mark-knopfler-is-now-using-kemper-profiling-amps-onstage
if Mark Knopfler can buy in to Kemper it would seem it must do a mighty fine job...
EOS
JB_From_Hell
Jomo's Nimions
Re: Kemper - what's the point?
$50 says if you did a double-blind test with two identical amps, and told the guy playing one was a Kemper, AXE-FX or whatever modeler, they’d hear all sorts of giveaways that one was digital.
If my clean sound was my vintage Super Reverb with a Green Rhino set a certain way, my rhythm sound was a Dual Recto with a different drive pedal set another way, and my lead tone was a SLO with yet another pedal, or the same pedal with different settings, and I could afford to have them all in one device that got close enough to the original sounds for my ears, I’d do it.
Even if I wasn’t touring, I’d love to have that at home. Since I got the POD XT, I’ve been spending way more time playing than messing with different pedals. Despite the claims that too many options leads to endless knob twiddling, the opposite has been true for me. Yeah, when I first got it, I spent a few days dorking around getting tones, but since then, I spend a minute or tweaking to fit the particular guitar, then it’s just playing. Beyond that, I’ve even started saving presets for each guitar, so the tweaking is just maybe a little more treble to compensate for old strings.
I love the POD, and could likely be happy with it indefinitely. However, if I could suddenly afford a higher end unit, I’d love to get one.
$50 says if you did a double-blind test with two identical amps, and told the guy playing one was a Kemper, AXE-FX or whatever modeler, they’d hear all sorts of giveaways that one was digital.
If my clean sound was my vintage Super Reverb with a Green Rhino set a certain way, my rhythm sound was a Dual Recto with a different drive pedal set another way, and my lead tone was a SLO with yet another pedal, or the same pedal with different settings, and I could afford to have them all in one device that got close enough to the original sounds for my ears, I’d do it.
Even if I wasn’t touring, I’d love to have that at home. Since I got the POD XT, I’ve been spending way more time playing than messing with different pedals. Despite the claims that too many options leads to endless knob twiddling, the opposite has been true for me. Yeah, when I first got it, I spent a few days dorking around getting tones, but since then, I spend a minute or tweaking to fit the particular guitar, then it’s just playing. Beyond that, I’ve even started saving presets for each guitar, so the tweaking is just maybe a little more treble to compensate for old strings.
I love the POD, and could likely be happy with it indefinitely. However, if I could suddenly afford a higher end unit, I’d love to get one.
GuitarStv
Sock Market Trader
Re: Kemper - what's the point?
Wouldn't say that necessarily . . . I've mentioned it already, but I think the Kemper thing is a really cool idea. I've heard plenty of great music from modelling, so I'm sure they sound decent.
Just not a fan or worthless ad speak. Talk sense, or don't say anything.
Wouldn't say that necessarily . . . I've mentioned it already, but I think the Kemper thing is a really cool idea. I've heard plenty of great music from modelling, so I'm sure they sound decent.
Just not a fan or worthless ad speak. Talk sense, or don't say anything.
Sirion
New member
Re: Kemper - what's the point?
I agree. Cutting through newspeak and marketing lingo to understand what one is actually getting is virtually always a worthy pursuit, in my opinion.
I agree. Cutting through newspeak and marketing lingo to understand what one is actually getting is virtually always a worthy pursuit, in my opinion.
Aceman
I am your doctor of love!
Re: Kemper - what's the point?
Well, Kemper does not come with my Tubemeister 18 sound out of the box. And, the tiny size makes it a no brainer for carrying to small gigs. Yet Kemper models Sansamp pedals. WTF?!?!?!?
So, I COULD model all four sound combos with the Kemper - or I could just use the Tubemeister, the foot switch, and toss a pedal of choice in there.
Tubemeister 18 > Kemper
Well, Kemper does not come with my Tubemeister 18 sound out of the box. And, the tiny size makes it a no brainer for carrying to small gigs. Yet Kemper models Sansamp pedals. WTF?!?!?!?
So, I COULD model all four sound combos with the Kemper - or I could just use the Tubemeister, the foot switch, and toss a pedal of choice in there.
Tubemeister 18 > Kemper
beaubrummels
Well-known member
Re: Kemper - what's the point?
f(Ace) = Tubemeister 18 > Kemper
f(everyone else) = (Kemper || tube amp) = (Kemper |= tube amp) = 3.1415
...because we like pie.
f(Ace) = Tubemeister 18 > Kemper
f(everyone else) = (Kemper || tube amp) = (Kemper |= tube amp) = 3.1415
...because we like pie.
JB_From_Hell
Jomo's Nimions
Re: Kemper - what's the point?
https://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?thread/4497-hughes-and-kettner-tubemeister-18/
If you think uber-tone guys at a gig are silly, why bother taking a tube amp?
https://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?thread/4497-hughes-and-kettner-tubemeister-18/
If you think uber-tone guys at a gig are silly, why bother taking a tube amp?
LLL
New member
Re: Kemper - what's the point?
New technology is your friend, Vinnie.
(from the guy who taps a line level signal off a plexi and uses speaker iRs in a DAW... among many other advanced rig and studio concepts; some old some new) :smoker:
New technology is your friend, Vinnie.
(from the guy who taps a line level signal off a plexi and uses speaker iRs in a DAW... among many other advanced rig and studio concepts; some old some new) :smoker:
