Kemper - what's the point?
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GuitarStv
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Re: Kemper - what's the point?
No cell, but I had a rotary phone until the phone company started charging extra for pulse dialing.
No cell, but I had a rotary phone until the phone company started charging extra for pulse dialing.
justFred
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Re: Kemper - what's the point?
Evidently, Dr. Ace, you did not understand...it was not an analogy....
Evidently, Dr. Ace, you did not understand...it was not an analogy....
Jacew
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Re: Kemper - what's the point?
There is amps like that still. Tiny Terror?
To be honest, no 15 watt amp "takes pedals well" in practical volume levels.
There is amps like that still. Tiny Terror?
To be honest, no 15 watt amp "takes pedals well" in practical volume levels.
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beaubrummels
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Re: Kemper - what's the point?
I’m so old my phone is steam powered. Now get off my lawn.
IME emulators don’t take pedals really because you are not hitting an actual circuit with the pedal, but just the input of a computer with software. Hardware like pedals react with the circuit/components that come before it and come after it, and that interaction ether enhances or messes up the sound.
I’m so old my phone is steam powered. Now get off my lawn.
IME emulators don’t take pedals really because you are not hitting an actual circuit with the pedal, but just the input of a computer with software. Hardware like pedals react with the circuit/components that come before it and come after it, and that interaction ether enhances or messes up the sound.
chadd
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Re: Kemper - what's the point?
If you have access to the amp, you can profile it with and without the pedal.
Since it's digital, I would be concerned about overloading the input. Digital distortion usually doesn't work well.
If you have access to the amp, you can profile it with and without the pedal.
Since it's digital, I would be concerned about overloading the input. Digital distortion usually doesn't work well.
Re: Kemper - what's the point?
Well if it were a old 90s mfx unit then yes OD/DST pedals would pale in front of it. However since with units like axfx ii/kemper then these take pedals like a traditional amp. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YrYInotnqVI
Well if it were a old 90s mfx unit then yes OD/DST pedals would pale in front of it. However since with units like axfx ii/kemper then these take pedals like a traditional amp. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YrYInotnqVI
Re: Kemper - what's the point?
I successfully profiled my RK100. I needed to sell the amp, but I didn't want to lose it either... Solution? Profile it! I submitted my profiles to the Kemper Rig Exchange, then sold the RK100. I've been missing the Cornford, but getting that amp back is next to impossible. Solution? Buy another Kemper, and upload my profiles!
I successfully profiled my RK100. I needed to sell the amp, but I didn't want to lose it either... Solution? Profile it! I submitted my profiles to the Kemper Rig Exchange, then sold the RK100. I've been missing the Cornford, but getting that amp back is next to impossible. Solution? Buy another Kemper, and upload my profiles!
devastone
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Aceman
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Re: Kemper - what's the point?
That statement is so stupid we should revoke your engineering degree.
The SOUND coming out of the speakers will, that which you perceive. But not the amp.
That statement is so stupid we should revoke your engineering degree.
The SOUND coming out of the speakers will, that which you perceive. But not the amp.
Demanic
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Re: Kemper - what's the point?
Most guitarists, unless they are using iem's, and even then it depends on the mix being sent to them, have no clue as to how they sound to the front of the house. In the end, maybe it's better that way.
That's why a good sound engineer is so valuable.
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Most guitarists, unless they are using iem's, and even then it depends on the mix being sent to them, have no clue as to how they sound to the front of the house. In the end, maybe it's better that way.
That's why a good sound engineer is so valuable.
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GuitarStv
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Re: Kemper - what's the point?
Yes, that was kinda the point of my post.
Perception is pretty important in acoustics, and it changes very easily. The sound you hear is going to change, even if your amp is profiled perfectly . . . so if you think that a Kemper will reliably give you exactly a particular sound, you're likely wrong. You might have a perfect profile but it won't sound right the next day, not due to a problem with the Kemper, but because one of those other variables has changed.
Yes, that was kinda the point of my post.
Perception is pretty important in acoustics, and it changes very easily. The sound you hear is going to change, even if your amp is profiled perfectly . . . so if you think that a Kemper will reliably give you exactly a particular sound, you're likely wrong. You might have a perfect profile but it won't sound right the next day, not due to a problem with the Kemper, but because one of those other variables has changed.
Demanic
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Re: Kemper - what's the point?
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The real question: does that really matter that much in a day to day live situation for a working musician?
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GuitarStv
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Re: Kemper - what's the point?
Hell no! That was also part of my argument. A skilled player can make just about any amp work . . . which is why the whole 'I need exact toanz for the wedding cover band gigs I play, hence Kemper' didn't make any sense to me.
Hell no! That was also part of my argument. A skilled player can make just about any amp work . . . which is why the whole 'I need exact toanz for the wedding cover band gigs I play, hence Kemper' didn't make any sense to me.
devastone
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Re: Kemper - what's the point?
If you are using IEMs, like most touring bands are these days, the sound will be much more consistent to you, and probably much more consistent coming out of the PA, your amp isn't being stuck in a corner, or against a back wall, or the humidity isn't changing, etc... Again, whether that is a good or bad thing is a matter of opinion.
If you are using IEMs, like most touring bands are these days, the sound will be much more consistent to you, and probably much more consistent coming out of the PA, your amp isn't being stuck in a corner, or against a back wall, or the humidity isn't changing, etc... Again, whether that is a good or bad thing is a matter of opinion.
justFred
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Re: Kemper - what's the point?
Like someone said earlier: Kemper is the sound of an amp mic’d in another room...
There is not a mic or a mic setup on the planet that will capture the full robust sound of an amp you are hearing in the same area with you...
Live, Kemper will never do it...it is an MP3 amp sound...a very, very good one...good enough for Mark Knopfler to tour with...
Personally I just love that real deal in the room with me sound a tube amp creates...
For a recording thing it would seem that the engineers and techs would love the Kemper...they are working in an MP3 environment anyway...to have the sound profiled and be able to fine tune it up the ying yang is a big advantage...
My take...if your working in a studio or a very large venue then Kemper is a potent tool...for anything less than a large venue outside the studio you get the real deal by lugging that 65lb tube amp around and it is absolutely worth if...
Like someone said earlier: Kemper is the sound of an amp mic’d in another room...
There is not a mic or a mic setup on the planet that will capture the full robust sound of an amp you are hearing in the same area with you...
Live, Kemper will never do it...it is an MP3 amp sound...a very, very good one...good enough for Mark Knopfler to tour with...
Personally I just love that real deal in the room with me sound a tube amp creates...
For a recording thing it would seem that the engineers and techs would love the Kemper...they are working in an MP3 environment anyway...to have the sound profiled and be able to fine tune it up the ying yang is a big advantage...
My take...if your working in a studio or a very large venue then Kemper is a potent tool...for anything less than a large venue outside the studio you get the real deal by lugging that 65lb tube amp around and it is absolutely worth if...
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devastone
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Re: Kemper - what's the point?
In my IEMs at church, it doesn't matter, I'll take consistency. We don't have any amps onstage, we had an amp mic'ed offstage, but it was constantly getting messed with, the mic would get knocked around, no thanks, I prefer being in control of my sound.
If I was still playing clubs, I would probably be using an amp(?), although I can run my modeler through a power amp and cab through one set of outputs w/o cab sims to get the feel of an amp onstage and still feed the mains with the XLR outs so my sound is consistent.
In my IEMs at church, it doesn't matter, I'll take consistency. We don't have any amps onstage, we had an amp mic'ed offstage, but it was constantly getting messed with, the mic would get knocked around, no thanks, I prefer being in control of my sound.
If I was still playing clubs, I would probably be using an amp(?), although I can run my modeler through a power amp and cab through one set of outputs w/o cab sims to get the feel of an amp onstage and still feed the mains with the XLR outs so my sound is consistent.
justFred
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Re: Kemper - what's the point?
I can dig consistency but that is not my thing....sometimes accidental thises and thats turn out to be great new things never expected...admittedly more often than not they just sound like crap but to me it's worth a shot...
You will never get all the music coming out of say a Super Reverbs 4 speakers with an open back with a modeler...the sounds massive combinations are just way to complicated...that is the beauty...
but as someone else said...the audience mos likely doesn't even know who is playing much less if it's a real amp or a modeler...
I can dig consistency but that is not my thing....sometimes accidental thises and thats turn out to be great new things never expected...admittedly more often than not they just sound like crap but to me it's worth a shot...
You will never get all the music coming out of say a Super Reverbs 4 speakers with an open back with a modeler...the sounds massive combinations are just way to complicated...that is the beauty...
but as someone else said...the audience mos likely doesn't even know who is playing much less if it's a real amp or a modeler...
Re: Kemper - what's the point?
Consistency is a real thing for me. My Mesa sounded great, but about 1/3rd the time, I couldn't get the right sound in the room, and 1/2 the time it sounded different in the PA than it did onstage. So I use my Fractal and I am happier now.
Consistency is a real thing for me. My Mesa sounded great, but about 1/3rd the time, I couldn't get the right sound in the room, and 1/2 the time it sounded different in the PA than it did onstage. So I use my Fractal and I am happier now.
