Klon and Banzai Cold Fusion.........

B Bent

Vibroluxologist
The more I read of these two the more I hear them being compared as very similar. I have Christian's original, handwired Banzai Cold Fusion right now to see if I like it and I must say that I am blown away. It just so happens that I was looking on Ted Webers boards and saw another one of the original handwired Cold Fusions so I snapped it up. It should be here Wednesday. So if the Klon and CF have basically the same vibe according to tons of people I have read from and heard from, why does the Klon still sell for stupid money? You can pick up a CF for half of what a used Klon sells for.


I really don't know. I do know that I love this one C let me borrow. VEDDY NICE!!!
 
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Because people say the Klon is the shizzle & the sheep follow......bbbaaaahhhhh

No thanks :bigok:
 
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Oh that's right Terry, you have a CF don't you? I almost forgot. Well have you tried a Klon? I wonder if they really do sound almost identical?

Also is your CF the newer PCB one or the original one in the Hammond box on a piece of breadboard?
 
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The Klon is (and has been) being used by LOTS of big names (Joe Perry, Brad Whitford, Warren Haynes, Johnny Lang, Tony Bowls, Dave Grissom, etc...) because of that the klon is more desireable and because everybody wants one (and Bill is a one man operation) not everybody can get one that makes the price of used ones go through the roof, and increases the waiting list.

Terry's CF is the one Luke has and it is a later PCB model...if you want a real head to head comparsion of the CF and a Klon, ask Gearjonser...he owned both at the same time once.
 
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Big Greg said:
The more I read of these two the more I hear them being compared as very similar. I have Christian's original, handwired Banzai Cold Fusion right now to see if I like it and I must say that I am blown away. It just so happens that I was looking on Ted Webers boards and saw another one of the original handwired Cold Fusions so I snapped it up. It should be here Wednesday. So if the Klon and CF have basically the same vibe according to tons of people I have read from and heard from, why does the Klon still sell for stupid money? You can pick up a CF for half of what a used Klon sells for.


I really don't know. I do know that I love this one C let me borrow. VEDDY NICE!!!

I use a CF and Jim the guy I got my Paul and amps from has a Klon. We're the famous people using them and you can hear them on our records. :headbang:

Big Greg said:
Oh that's right Terry, you have a CF don't you? I almost forgot. Well have you tried a Klon? I wonder if they really do sound almost identical?

Also is your CF the newer PCB one or the original one in the Hammond box on a piece of breadboard?

No he doesn't I stole it from him!

PCB based; Christian and I did a shoot out with the knobs in the same place Christian's was a bit darker, but it seemed that if you noodled with the knobs you could get the same sound out of either unit.

Luke
 
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Yeah, I sold my CF to Luke & ONLY because the Bad Bob got along better with all my amps & it's smaller.

The CF is a killer pedal.....honestly, I'd like to try a Klon, but in no way will I ever spend that kind of money for a pedal. :dunno:

If it works for the true believers, more power to them....I guess I'll get by :beerchug:
 
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I got my Klon the same day as I got my Lava Box. Two completely different pedals, but I seem to prefer the mosfet thing (same thing I guess I loved about the FullDrive2 mosfet).
 
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I got my Klon the same day as I got my Lava Box. Two completely different pedals, but I seem to prefer the mosfet thing (same thing I guess I loved about the FullDrive2 mosfet).

Which one is MOSFET Scott? The Lava?

So do you find yourself going for the Klon or LB more?
 
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question: Are the Cold Fusion pedals that are being sold new, now as good as the the original hand-wired one you guys are talking about?
 
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question: Are the Cold Fusion pedals that are being sold new, now as good as the the original hand-wired one you guys are talking about?

Christian and Luke step up and answer this. I know you guys A/B these two when Luke came out for his visit.
 
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question: Are the Cold Fusion pedals that are being sold new, now as good as the the original hand-wired one you guys are talking about?

They sound just about identical to my ears. The pot sweeps seem to be a bit different.

They both sound great. The larger box could be good or bad depending on taste.

Luke
 
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..if you want a real head to head comparsion of the CF and a Klon, ask Gearjonser...he owned both at the same time once.

The only way to truly A/B two pedals is to have them both on the floor in front of you, plugged into the same amp......and I can tell you that they don't sound the same, but are a similar kind of pedal. I've had the CF I and II, and also a Fireball. The Fireball is more versatile, but it's not as rich and natural sounding as the Cold Fusion. I could hardly tell any difference between the CF I and II, but I liked the big box better because the knobs are recessed. And the Klon still sounds just a bit more tubey than the CF.

The main differences between the Banzai Cold Fusion and the Klon is this....

CF - a little harder sounding and more wide open, crunchier and more aggressive as the gain is turned up...toothier than the Klon. The Volume is ridiculous on the CF. It's the loudest OD ever, and could punch out your speakers if you accidentally knocked the volume up to 10.

Klon - a bit bouncier feel under the fingers with a tad more compression which makes the notes sustain longer than the CF. It's less crunchy and more smooth in tone. The sweep is more natural on the Klons knobs. On the CF, every increment is more dramatic.

Overall, I really like both pedals and would be happy owning either. Ultimately, I decided that the pedals were too similar to justify keeping both, and the Klon won. There's more to Klon than hype. He hit the nail on the head with that design. My only complaint is that he cheapened the look of them, compared to the gold/centaur originals. Banzai actually improved the look of the CF over time.
 
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I had a chance to give a Klon a test run a few weeks ago. I A/B in against my OCD and another overdrivie pedal (I chose not to name) and must admit I just wasn't impressed. I preferred my OCD, by a significant margin.
Oh well what ever works for you.
 
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I had a chance to give a Klon a test run a few weeks ago. I A/B in against my OCD and another overdrivie pedal (I chose not to name) and must admit I just wasn't impressed. I preferred my OCD, by a significant margin.
Oh well what ever works for you.

In all fairness the OCD is a pretty different concept.

Luke
 
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I just like having 2 or 3 OD's on the board, and all of them have a different gain level and tone. I've been wanting to maybe part with a pedal and grab an OCD.
I've heard them and like them, but never pulled the trigger on one.
 
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I've got a few ODs & boosts right now....all do their own thing & I mainly opted for size when deciding which to keep.

Blackstone S2v3 handles dirty rhythm & distortion
Analogman Sunlion is a combined Sunface fuzz & Beano Boost
RGW Bad Bob Boost +25dB clean boost
RGW Dirty Dan which is a Red Llama clone that sounds creamy as hell, esp. when combined with the Bad Bob.

The Cold Fusion was a hard decision....I liked it alot but it was larger than the others & it didn't get along with my favorite amp.

I've since sold that amp too, so feel free to dismiss what I say as the ramblings of a true junkie !!! :D
 
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They sound just about identical to my ears. The pot sweeps seem to be a bit different.

They both sound great. The larger box could be good or bad depending on taste.

Luke

The Cold Fusion sounds like I might drop some cash to try it out, I'd love a Klon but I don't in any way shape or form want to drop that much cash on my tone.....at least a pedal.
 
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The CF is great if you either don't want to thrown the scratch on a Klon or if you wanted a slightly more agressive Klon...I got mine because Gearjoneser said they were very close and I found a CF at a good price with NO wait time so I jumped on it, since then Luke Duke got his because of my recomendation and so has B Bent...both of those guys live theirs and I dig mine. It's a great sounding pedal for a good boost (both clean or dirty) and is as close to a Klon as I have ever heard.

FWIW, Luke and I did A/B my old CF-1 to his CF-2 when he was here...if you put all 3 controls onboth pedals in the same place then toggle between them they do sound very different however if you tweak the controls you can get almost exactally the same sounds out of both pedals.
 
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