metalchurch79
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Re: Kramer guitars... Love em.....
Kramers are among the greatest guitars ever made by human phalanges.
Kramers are among the greatest guitars ever made by human phalanges.
Kramer guitars... Love em.....
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Re: Kramer guitars... Love em.....
Yes, sadly Kramers are currently an after thought with the current owner. older models are definatly the way to go with that brand.
kinda funny... back in "the day" everyone was kinda put off when Kramer started marketing the Japanese made Focus series and Charvel the Model series. But the are all darn good guitars.
Satchel may be a goof, but he is a heckuva player.
As far as current Charvels... They are darn good players. They arent being marketed very well, so that is keeping demand low and prices down. I have a Japanese made Pro mod and of course, its awesome. I hear the MIM ones are great too. Just doesnt seem like they give them too much push in advertising. Sad.. But, they must be selling as they update them each year. otherwise, Id think they wouldnt give them any attention.. just my thoughts.
Yes, sadly Kramers are currently an after thought with the current owner. older models are definatly the way to go with that brand.
kinda funny... back in "the day" everyone was kinda put off when Kramer started marketing the Japanese made Focus series and Charvel the Model series. But the are all darn good guitars.
Satchel may be a goof, but he is a heckuva player.
As far as current Charvels... They are darn good players. They arent being marketed very well, so that is keeping demand low and prices down. I have a Japanese made Pro mod and of course, its awesome. I hear the MIM ones are great too. Just doesnt seem like they give them too much push in advertising. Sad.. But, they must be selling as they update them each year. otherwise, Id think they wouldnt give them any attention.. just my thoughts.
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ErikH
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I don't even compare the Kramers of today with those from back in the day. All Gibson did was buy the name and then build around it, and not very well, IMO. The Kramer we all adore and favor died when the doors closed in 1990 after the fire sale of left over parts and such. There was a small resurrection in the late 90's to try and bring it back but that quickly faded and the brand name was sold off.
A few of the MusicYo models are pretty solid with the exception of the hardware. A buddy of mine has a MusicYo Striker and we swapped the pickups out for some Duncans and after a setup, it plays pretty damn good. The Floyd is a POS but I was able to get it where it would work well enough. Worthy of an upgrade there though. The Jersey Star was pretty solid too. The rest, meh.
I'd love to get my hands on a Strathead era Pacer but not looking now. Simply a wish list item.
I don't even compare the Kramers of today with those from back in the day. All Gibson did was buy the name and then build around it, and not very well, IMO. The Kramer we all adore and favor died when the doors closed in 1990 after the fire sale of left over parts and such. There was a small resurrection in the late 90's to try and bring it back but that quickly faded and the brand name was sold off.
A few of the MusicYo models are pretty solid with the exception of the hardware. A buddy of mine has a MusicYo Striker and we swapped the pickups out for some Duncans and after a setup, it plays pretty damn good. The Floyd is a POS but I was able to get it where it would work well enough. Worthy of an upgrade there though. The Jersey Star was pretty solid too. The rest, meh.
I'd love to get my hands on a Strathead era Pacer but not looking now. Simply a wish list item.
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Ben1962
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LOL I just watched my 1st Steel Panther video yesterday. Got some laughs for sure
LOL I just watched my 1st Steel Panther video yesterday. Got some laughs for sure
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I would think that this ad sold a lot of guitars. And even with EVH not being the in the guitar spotlight, his name still moves gear. That being said, he sort of has his own vanity guitar company these days. I don't know if not being associated with EVH would kill Kramer.
I would think that this ad sold a lot of guitars. And even with EVH not being the in the guitar spotlight, his name still moves gear. That being said, he sort of has his own vanity guitar company these days. I don't know if not being associated with EVH would kill Kramer.
Howlermonkey
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I had a banana headstock Baretta and an identical focus 1000 of the same year identical to the one Eddie is holding up a few posts before this one.
I bought a striker 100st and 400st for 100 bucks and fitted pickups I had laying around and put in stuff like "no load" tone pots, a kill pot, pots with dpdt pull switches to go parallel or split, and fit some floyd hardware but I kept the korean floyd 2s because the knife edges were fine (posts were cut deep) and I liked how easy they were to string since they had strings through the fine tuner arms.
All pickups either had 4 wires or were converted to 4 wire.
I found that I really liked the strikers and, when I checked prices of the Baretta and Focus, I immediately sold them for ridiculous sums of money.
Between the two plywood kramers and a yamaha RGZ321, I have every tone I desire..........except that crazy quad rails power and mud from a Baretta FR404S musicyo neck-thru which really was a one trick pony.
I got that one super cheap after randomly picking it off the used wall at GC and plugging it into a bass amp to make subsonic rumble with the floyd pushed way down muting all but the low string. The guy came over and said it wouldn't stay in tune so I could have it for like 70 bucks.
Took it home and found this..............
Makes me wonder how many were drilled and threaded this way causing a good guitar to get a bad reputation.
The Musicyo kramers were only as good as the person who put them together meaning you could get a great guitar for the price or one that has issues but, if you're handy, anything but a cosmetic damage issue is easily fixed.
I had a banana headstock Baretta and an identical focus 1000 of the same year identical to the one Eddie is holding up a few posts before this one.
I bought a striker 100st and 400st for 100 bucks and fitted pickups I had laying around and put in stuff like "no load" tone pots, a kill pot, pots with dpdt pull switches to go parallel or split, and fit some floyd hardware but I kept the korean floyd 2s because the knife edges were fine (posts were cut deep) and I liked how easy they were to string since they had strings through the fine tuner arms.
All pickups either had 4 wires or were converted to 4 wire.
I found that I really liked the strikers and, when I checked prices of the Baretta and Focus, I immediately sold them for ridiculous sums of money.
Between the two plywood kramers and a yamaha RGZ321, I have every tone I desire..........except that crazy quad rails power and mud from a Baretta FR404S musicyo neck-thru which really was a one trick pony.
I got that one super cheap after randomly picking it off the used wall at GC and plugging it into a bass amp to make subsonic rumble with the floyd pushed way down muting all but the low string. The guy came over and said it wouldn't stay in tune so I could have it for like 70 bucks.
Took it home and found this..............
Makes me wonder how many were drilled and threaded this way causing a good guitar to get a bad reputation.
The Musicyo kramers were only as good as the person who put them together meaning you could get a great guitar for the price or one that has issues but, if you're handy, anything but a cosmetic damage issue is easily fixed.
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So what exactly was the problem?
I had a banana headstock Baretta and an identical focus 1000 of the same year identical to the one Eddie is holding up a few posts before this one.
I bought a striker 100st and 400st for 100 bucks and fitted pickups I had laying around and put in stuff like "no load" tone pots, a kill pot, pots with dpdt pull switches to go parellel or split, and fit some floyd hardware but I kept the korean floyd 2s because the knife edges were fine (posts were cut deep) and I liked how easy they were to string since they had strings through the fine tuner arms.
All pickups either had 4 wires or were converted to 4 wire.
I found that I really liked the strikers and, when I checked prices of the Baretta and Focus, I immediately sold them for ridiculous sums of money.
Between the two plywood kramers and a yamaha RGZ321, I have every tone I desire..........except that crazy quad rails power and mud from a Baretta FR404S musicyo neck-thru which really was a one trick pony.
I got that one super cheap after randomly picking it off the used wall at GC and plugging it into a bass amp to make subsonic rumble with the floyd pushed way down muting all but the low string. The guy came over and said it wouldn't stay in tune so I could have it for like 70 bucks.
Took it home and found this..............
Makes me wonder how many were drilled and threaded this way causing a good guitar to get a bad reputation.
The Musicyo kramers were only as good as the person who put them together meaning you could get a great guitar for the price or one that has issues but, if you're handy, anything but a cosmetic damage issue is easily fixed.
So what exactly was the problem?
Howlermonkey
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Apparently, I own the only picture of a floyd rose locking nut from that angle on the internet.
I was going to post this one but it is also wrong........but for an entirely different reason.
This one below is as close as I can find and it's correct enough to see what's wrong with the one a few posts up.
Apparently, I own the only picture of a floyd rose locking nut from that angle on the internet.
I was going to post this one but it is also wrong........but for an entirely different reason.
This one below is as close as I can find and it's correct enough to see what's wrong with the one a few posts up.
Re: Kramer guitars... Love em.....
....Unangled lock bolts?
Apparently, I own the only picture of a floyd rose locking nut from that angle on the internet.
I was going to post this one but it is also wrong........but for an entirely different reason.
This one below is as close as I can find and it's correct enough to see what's wrong with the one a few posts up.
....Unangled lock bolts?
Howlermonkey
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The one in the first picture in front of my 3000gt vr4 twin turbo has the bolt holes drilled and threaded at the wrong angle. They should be drilled/tapped perpendicular to the clamping face instead of the bottom. I'll bet more than a few went out that way and likely compromised the reputation of the Musicyo kramers.
No, it's not cross threaded, all 3 threads were in perfect condition and were manufactured with the improper angle.
The second picture is wrong because the clamps are 90 degrees off of where they should be. The reason the top has that peak is allow a single clamp to pivot since it will be clamping two different diameter strings. Until I found the third pic, that was the frontrunner to illustrate proper "bolt angle" but I couldn't ignore the improper orientation of the clamps. It was a thumbnail for a "floyd nut installation video" and the poor guy got pounded hard in the comments section for the mistake.
The third picture shows a much closer angle to optimum.........as compared to the first one but there are still things wrong in that picture.
Those are the only 3 pictures I can find on the net of a floyd locking nut from that view so it made posting this exponentially harder.
As far as buying a cheap replacement, this was a left handed guitar which requires a left handed nut and the other issue is that the genuine floyd nuts are taller than the "floyd licensed" nuts..........which are unbelievably hard to find in left handed since most sellers don't realize they are different than RH nuts.
I originally bought the guitar because it was super cheap and I was going to saw off the wings and make a "pointy body guitar" but I temporarily strung it rightly with the a chrome righty nut I had laying around to see how it played and realized it was uncomfortable because the neck seemed to have a compound radius that favors lefty playing.
The one in the first picture in front of my 3000gt vr4 twin turbo has the bolt holes drilled and threaded at the wrong angle. They should be drilled/tapped perpendicular to the clamping face instead of the bottom. I'll bet more than a few went out that way and likely compromised the reputation of the Musicyo kramers.
No, it's not cross threaded, all 3 threads were in perfect condition and were manufactured with the improper angle.
The second picture is wrong because the clamps are 90 degrees off of where they should be. The reason the top has that peak is allow a single clamp to pivot since it will be clamping two different diameter strings. Until I found the third pic, that was the frontrunner to illustrate proper "bolt angle" but I couldn't ignore the improper orientation of the clamps. It was a thumbnail for a "floyd nut installation video" and the poor guy got pounded hard in the comments section for the mistake.
The third picture shows a much closer angle to optimum.........as compared to the first one but there are still things wrong in that picture.
Those are the only 3 pictures I can find on the net of a floyd locking nut from that view so it made posting this exponentially harder.
As far as buying a cheap replacement, this was a left handed guitar which requires a left handed nut and the other issue is that the genuine floyd nuts are taller than the "floyd licensed" nuts..........which are unbelievably hard to find in left handed since most sellers don't realize they are different than RH nuts.
I originally bought the guitar because it was super cheap and I was going to saw off the wings and make a "pointy body guitar" but I temporarily strung it rightly with the a chrome righty nut I had laying around to see how it played and realized it was uncomfortable because the neck seemed to have a compound radius that favors lefty playing.
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Howlermonkey
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Re: Kramer guitars... Love em.....
They are not symmetrical and will buzz like a sitar.
They are not symmetrical and will buzz like a sitar.
metalchurch79
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Music Yo era Kramers featured less than optimal parts, so thats to be expected.
Ive never seen one off that bad though, but as stated a proper OFR nut for around $25-30 will solve that for sure.
Music Yo era Kramers featured less than optimal parts, so thats to be expected.
Ive never seen one off that bad though, but as stated a proper OFR nut for around $25-30 will solve that for sure.
muttznmongrelz
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Re: Kramer guitars... Love em.....
MC79 - Post a pic of those Kramers of yours; especially that Nightswan!!!
MC79 - Post a pic of those Kramers of yours; especially that Nightswan!!!
metalchurch79
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Re: Kramer guitars... Love em.....
I dont know how to post pics, how about I message you on FB and you can post them.
I tried starting an imgur account, which all went ok until it came time to choose and upload photos, but for some reason I couldnt create an album so I kinda gave up on it.
I dont know how to post pics, how about I message you on FB and you can post them.
I tried starting an imgur account, which all went ok until it came time to choose and upload photos, but for some reason I couldnt create an album so I kinda gave up on it.
muttznmongrelz
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muttznmongrelz
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YOU are most definitely a "Kramer Guy"! Pics below.
YOU are most definitely a "Kramer Guy"! Pics below.
