araurioles
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Does anyone know of a good Lace Sensor set (HH) for Blues, Classic Rock, Hard Rock, and Sabbath style metal w/ some Metallica so not like ultra high gain death metal stuff? It would be going into a Gibson Les Paul.
Lace Sensors?
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PierceOkken
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Gold dualies, or a blue red or white red mix. Not really sure the technical terms for them. These are the ones I like. They are ok pickups, not super impressed though. Seymour Duncan makes much better stuff.
Gold dualies, or a blue red or white red mix. Not really sure the technical terms for them. These are the ones I like. They are ok pickups, not super impressed though. Seymour Duncan makes much better stuff.
Thundermtn
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Listen to the nitro hemi's, or the hammer claws.
I've got a set of HC's that were factory in a V, planned on swapping them until I heard the guitar. It's my #1 guitar for heavy music with chord clarity & on Sabbath style stuff. Thick and powerful sounding!
Listen to the nitro hemi's, or the hammer claws.
I've got a set of HC's that were factory in a V, planned on swapping them until I heard the guitar. It's my #1 guitar for heavy music with chord clarity & on Sabbath style stuff. Thick and powerful sounding!
Chistopher
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The ones that aren't named after colors are loads better than the ones that are, except the Hot Golds, those are pretty nice. That's not to say the ones that are named after colors are bad, I made a Strat with an Emerald neck, Silver middle, and Light Blue bridge. Those were nice, but I was looking for something that would respond well to active tone controls. I haven't tried the Duallys, but I hear nice things about them.
The Nitro Hemi's, Hammer Claws, and a Deathbucker bridge/ Alumitone neck combo would work pretty well for what you want.
The ones that aren't named after colors are loads better than the ones that are, except the Hot Golds, those are pretty nice. That's not to say the ones that are named after colors are bad, I made a Strat with an Emerald neck, Silver middle, and Light Blue bridge. Those were nice, but I was looking for something that would respond well to active tone controls. I haven't tried the Duallys, but I hear nice things about them.
The Nitro Hemi's, Hammer Claws, and a Deathbucker bridge/ Alumitone neck combo would work pretty well for what you want.
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gregory
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I'd do an Emerald/Purple Dually* in the neck as an A/B situation. I wouldn't put Lace Sensors in the bridge in an attempt to sound like a true humbucker. The tone of the Red to me is garbage. The blue is only meh. Never been impressed with the sound of any of the Duallys I've heard in series, either (including the Gold/Gold).
I'd go with one of the usual Seymour Duncan suspects for the bridge.
(*) see the post below...
I'd do an Emerald/Purple Dually* in the neck as an A/B situation. I wouldn't put Lace Sensors in the bridge in an attempt to sound like a true humbucker. The tone of the Red to me is garbage. The blue is only meh. Never been impressed with the sound of any of the Duallys I've heard in series, either (including the Gold/Gold).
I'd go with one of the usual Seymour Duncan suspects for the bridge.
(*) see the post below...
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gregory
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...then again it is a Les Paul, so I don't have much faith that you're going to get a very good Strat tone out if it (sorry audiocheck).
I'd instead cobble together a Blue and a Purple with the Blue closest to the neck; or a Cool Rails and a Hot Rails, this time with the weaker Cool Rails closest to the neck.
...then again it is a Les Paul, so I don't have much faith that you're going to get a very good Strat tone out if it (sorry audiocheck).
I'd instead cobble together a Blue and a Purple with the Blue closest to the neck; or a Cool Rails and a Hot Rails, this time with the weaker Cool Rails closest to the neck.
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Chistopher
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They are nice sounding pickups, but don't expect them to sound like standard single coils, or even standard pickups in general for that matter. They have a unique tone and response and don't react to height adjustment the same as standard pickups. They have a very particular sweet spot for pickup height.
They are nice sounding pickups, but don't expect them to sound like standard single coils, or even standard pickups in general for that matter. They have a unique tone and response and don't react to height adjustment the same as standard pickups. They have a very particular sweet spot for pickup height.
Chistopher
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Lace Sensor Golds actually sound like single coils, I'm talking about the other models. The Burgandys, for example have a tone all their own. They aren't exactly standard single coils, but they aren't quite P90s either.
Lace Sensor Golds actually sound like single coils, I'm talking about the other models. The Burgandys, for example have a tone all their own. They aren't exactly standard single coils, but they aren't quite P90s either.
gregory
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I'd compare the Purple, but sure: generally speaking, once physical dimensions start changing it gets harder and harder to get an equivalent tone. Despite that, the Gold/Gold Dually doesn't still sound like a normal HB; the same goes for true singles in series.
As I said in another discussion I'm not hung up on getting an exact replica of another style pickup. What matters is whether it sounds good to me or not.
Any two of the following would make me happy in the neck of an LP; one hot and one not, so long as they balance appropriately with the true humbucker that's in the bridge:
Area 61
SDS-1
Lace Purple
Cool Rails Neck
Hot Rails Neck
Satch Track
Air Norton S
I'd include the Quarter Pound, but the magnetism scares me. Anyway, you get the idea: one pickup or the other, not in series and most probably not in parallel, either.
I'd compare the Purple, but sure: generally speaking, once physical dimensions start changing it gets harder and harder to get an equivalent tone. Despite that, the Gold/Gold Dually doesn't still sound like a normal HB; the same goes for true singles in series.
As I said in another discussion I'm not hung up on getting an exact replica of another style pickup. What matters is whether it sounds good to me or not.
Any two of the following would make me happy in the neck of an LP; one hot and one not, so long as they balance appropriately with the true humbucker that's in the bridge:
Area 61
SDS-1
Lace Purple
Cool Rails Neck
Hot Rails Neck
Satch Track
Air Norton S
I'd include the Quarter Pound, but the magnetism scares me. Anyway, you get the idea: one pickup or the other, not in series and most probably not in parallel, either.
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Dimension
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Nitro Hemi neck in the bridge, and a Drop and Gain neck in the neck, Make you sure you can split the coils.
If you have a Les Paul there is no reason not to wire them in parallel and series.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxbaBWPTT2k
here is a video so you can get an idea on how it affect tone
The have mini version if that is what you need.
Its a simple mod.
Nitro Hemi neck in the bridge, and a Drop and Gain neck in the neck, Make you sure you can split the coils.
If you have a Les Paul there is no reason not to wire them in parallel and series.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxbaBWPTT2k
here is a video so you can get an idea on how it affect tone
The have mini version if that is what you need.
Its a simple mod.
Chistopher
malapterurus electricus tonewood instigator
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There are quite a few people who don't like the humbucker in parallel sound, I don't much care for it in a Gibson, but it works in 25-1/2" and 25" scale guitars.
There are quite a few people who don't like the humbucker in parallel sound, I don't much care for it in a Gibson, but it works in 25-1/2" and 25" scale guitars.
Juanhanglo
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The standard hemibucker set does just what you are asking.
7k neck
10k bridge
Really good sounding in my parts strat. They've been in there for 8 of 9 years if that says anything.
The standard hemibucker set does just what you are asking.
7k neck
10k bridge
Really good sounding in my parts strat. They've been in there for 8 of 9 years if that says anything.
Dimension
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I think I would try the regular hemi neck in the bridge. The only reason to swap the position using a neck in the bridge is to lower the output and create a more classic tone as an option. The drop and gain neck pickup is not documented this way, but it uses different values on each coil, so once split you can get 3 separate tones when using it. The reason I went with the drop and gain in the neck was for tonal diversity, it also covers more of the rock/ metal, and the bridge has more of the blues plus classic. This is the most diverse 2 humbucker setup I could imagine. Paired sets sound good but sometimes lack tonal diversity for people who want a work horse to play multiple styles or just prefer multiple tonal options on one guitar.
Once again I do think its a goood call to go with the regular hemi. Hemi Neck 7k in the bridge total so no need for any fancy wiring for the bridge unless you want to. Drop and gain neck in the neck split. One coil happens to be 8.7k and the other is 5.0k so dependin on which you use with the bridge you will get a more or less dominant tone. It almost like having a neck and middle strat pickup in one, and I would wire them in a way to use them like that.
When you want a little more "metal" use the neck pickup in full humbucking mode, it will bump up the gain and scream and growl, also if you chose to drop tune you would get the benefit of hearing less string vibration come through.
I think I would try the regular hemi neck in the bridge. The only reason to swap the position using a neck in the bridge is to lower the output and create a more classic tone as an option. The drop and gain neck pickup is not documented this way, but it uses different values on each coil, so once split you can get 3 separate tones when using it. The reason I went with the drop and gain in the neck was for tonal diversity, it also covers more of the rock/ metal, and the bridge has more of the blues plus classic. This is the most diverse 2 humbucker setup I could imagine. Paired sets sound good but sometimes lack tonal diversity for people who want a work horse to play multiple styles or just prefer multiple tonal options on one guitar.
Once again I do think its a goood call to go with the regular hemi. Hemi Neck 7k in the bridge total so no need for any fancy wiring for the bridge unless you want to. Drop and gain neck in the neck split. One coil happens to be 8.7k and the other is 5.0k so dependin on which you use with the bridge you will get a more or less dominant tone. It almost like having a neck and middle strat pickup in one, and I would wire them in a way to use them like that.
When you want a little more "metal" use the neck pickup in full humbucking mode, it will bump up the gain and scream and growl, also if you chose to drop tune you would get the benefit of hearing less string vibration come through.
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