Late beginner practice routine

[KNUCKLHEAD]

Re: Late beginner practice routine

Hey , I know some S#!t ( lydian, phrygian, etc. ) but I cant remember the " Pantanic " scale , Demanic or the santanic scale . I think I missed some S#!t but I may have forgotten all mentioned : )

 

[Obsessive Compulsive]

Re: Late beginner practice routine

5)Work on music theory with piano - BORING and won't make your guitar playing any better. Honestly, can hurt a bit. The keyboard is so straight forward it is almost retarded simple. The way a guitar is arranged is really complicated.

I reckon you play only C major scale or A minor scale?

 

[Obsessive Compulsive]

Re: Late beginner practice routine

If you follow the typical guitar practice routine mentioned on this page you'll end up sounding like everybody else.

Learn chords, not scales.

 

[Aceman]

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I reckon you play only C major scale or A minor scale?

I play whatever scale is needed/appropriate/desired.

And the keyboard has nothing to do with it other than it is easy to see the relationships. Which is nice until you trip into the wonderland that is horizontal/diagonal/vertical guitar with multiple c3's.

 

[Aceman]

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If you follow the typical guitar practice routine mentioned on this page you'll end up sounding like everybody else.

Learn chords, not scales.

This guy is at step one = sounding like any other guitar player will be a victory.

 

[beaubrummels]

Re: Late beginner practice routine

If you follow the typical guitar practice routine mentioned on this page you'll end up sounding like everybody else.

Learn chords, not scales.

I've never known any practice routine to cause a person to sound like another person. The way you apply what you learned has an affect on what you sound like, but that varies from person to person based on skill, retention, focus. People rarely sound like other people even when they try.

 

[Mincer]

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I think sounding like another guitar player would have to be a conscious choice at some part of the learning process. I certainly did that when I was young. Then I spent time eliminating any trace of anyone else in my playing (or trying to...sometimes the Blackmore sneaks out).

 

[Aceman]

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In fact, some of us spend amazing amounts of time trying to sound like another person and failing.

And at some point, you have spent so much time trying to sound different that you just sound weird.

And you can do both of those things and never sound like YOU. But again - that assumes you want that. I could care less. To Dave, it is very important. To others, who knows...

 

[KNUCKLHEAD]

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I think sounding like another guitar player would have to be a conscious choice at some part of the learning process. I certainly did that when I was young. Then I spent time eliminating any trace of anyone else in my playing (or trying to...sometimes the Blackmore sneaks out).

In fact, some of us spend amazing amounts of time trying to sound like another person and failing. And at some point, you have spent so much time trying to sound different that you just sound weird. And you can do both of those things and never sound like YOU. But again - that assumes you want that. I could care less. To Dave, it is very important. To others, who knows...

perfect example - I hope j Lang got over trying to be SRV jr. <-- I could just never spend time Emulating / Posin' like that , it's just not me . Hope He got his own Style by now

 

[Obsessive Compulsive]

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I've never known any practice routine to cause a person to sound like another person. The way you apply what you learned has an affect on what you sound like, but that varies from person to person based on skill, retention, focus. People rarely sound like other people even when they try.

That ideal only exists in your head. In the real world, if you give a guitar to 10 guitar players, 9 of them will automatically, subsconsciously, delve into E blues scale.

 

[KNUCKLHEAD]

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Boo ~ That's Discriminative to A maj. : (

 

[beaubrummels]

Late beginner practice routine

That ideal only exists in your head. In the real world, if you give a guitar to 10 guitar players, 9 of them will automatically, subsconsciously, delve into E blues scale.

Actually it's not an ideal, nor in my head. It's in my experience .

 

[greekdude]

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That ideal only exists in your head. In the real world, if you give a guitar to 10 guitar players, 9 of them will automatically, subsconsciously, delve into E blues scale.

For ppl older than 50 yrs old (today) I agree. When they were at their peak, blues/rock was the mainstream music. But younger ppl not so much. I remember back in the 80s thrash days, when playing oriental scales was the norm, this was quite unusual for the older players. Still the same (by analogy) is true today. Young guitarists practice to play the techniques of Djent and Miss May I and August Burns Red, staff that is very progressive and modern even for the older thrashers.

 

[Obsessive Compulsive]

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For ppl older than 50 yrs old (today) I agree. When they were at their peak, blues/rock was the mainstream music. But younger ppl not so much. I remember back in the 80s thrash days, when playing oriental scales was the norm, this was quite unusual for the older players. Still the same (by analogy) is true today. Young guitarists practice to play the techniques of Djent and Miss May I and August Burns Red, staff that is very progressive and modern even for the older thrashers.

Yeah same thing. For oldtimers, it's E blues scale. For millenials, Facebook generation, it's djent. The point is, if you do what other people do, you'll all sound the same. John McLaughlin doesn't sound like the other 70s players cause he consumed Ravi Shankar and Indian raga music for breakfast, and maybe some coke with Miles Davis.

 

[Clint 55]

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You have to emulate players you like and study theory in order to advance your sound. Like Mincer said, just studying people won't make you a clone, that takes conscious effort. And I'm a millenial whose style isn't defined by djent. I play mostly rock, blues, and jazz.

 

[KNUCKLHEAD]

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Good music is Timeless + Djent aint Krap . Study the Circle of 5ths ( U could make one in about a half ..... oh wait , nobody bothers anymore they just google or Youtube ~ Stupid me ) , get it mastered then come and talk ( BTW , circle of 5ths is just one minute way to approach music . there are endless ways ( speaking from Experience in my " 50's " ) some people over here think they can put S#!t in a tiny little box

 

[AlexR]

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Given how many people try and clone other players and fail, how on earth can anybody think that by not consciously trying to sound like everybody else it will make everyone identical is beyond reason.

And history shows us that gravitating to a similar key doesn't make you identical either.

 

[Aceman]

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Yeah same thing. For oldtimers, it's E blues scale. For millenials, Facebook generation, it's djent. The point is, if you do what other people do, you'll all sound the same. John McLaughlin doesn't sound like the other 70s players cause he consumed Ravi Shankar and Indian raga music for breakfast, and maybe some coke with Miles Davis.

And if I sit 10,000 kids down, or young adults or whoever, and start them down the path to being McLaughlin/Malmsteen/Via.....I'll have 9,999 who won't want to touch the instrument ever again in 90 days. Including this guy - as excited as he is.

Before we get to "Break All the Rules" the first step is LEARN THEM. Most people want to play music BECAUSE of other people. And playing music and being a guitar player are not necessarily the same thing.

I can play an E Pentatonic Minor half a dozen different ways, FYI. Maybe I go to that because I'm going to the most automatic thing I can play so I can focus on the guitar and it's tone, instead of the playing?

Just saying that there is a time for all of that - and for this guy, it probably is not now.

 

[Blille]

Late beginner practice routine

You learn somebody's licks, those will show up in your playing and you will sound like whoever. Same for gear.

I'm surprised this is controversial. It's not like you're a clone but you will hear some of the original player there. There's a billion SRVs out there and you can hear Charlie Parker in most jazz players.


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[Demanic]

Re: Late beginner practice routine

Hey , I know some S#!t ( lydian, phrygian, etc. ) but I cant remember the " Pantanic " scale , Demanic or the santanic scale . I think I missed some S#!t but I may have forgotten all mentioned : )

I have a scale named after me? I ougta trademark it, quick!

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