Les Paul owners: advice...?

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Well Chadd, I have to disagree with your disagreement. Read everything he said. The guy does not dig big thick heavy Les Pauls (and don't tell me how "relatively light" the historic will be). And he wants to spend <$2K. He doesn't want vintage. I guess when he asks for a non-ceramic pickup with soft bass and round highs with prominent midshipmen's you'll suggest a Custom?

So you are basically telling him to get a big heavy and extremely expensive Les Paul, that he probably won't like and is planning to mod the hell out of. Remind me not to ask you for suggestions about anything....

I have played a crap ton of EC-1000's. Not a damn thing wrong with them except they lack scent of cork to deeply sniffed. He can spend ~$600, get a guitar that is way more in line with his thinner, lighter SG preferences, and likely already has Duncans. And if he doesn't like it can flip it for $400.

I take him at his word of wanting classic LP tone at a lower weight within a certain budget. I'm looking at the budget and the tone requirements as a priority, why else would someone be looking for a les paul? You're looking at the weight as the primary focus, I'm looking at the les paul that will likely give him what he wants. Historics do come in pretty light weights, they aren't 12 pound Norlins. It's not about the vintage specs for me, it's simply the consistently best quality les paul that you can find on the used market.

As for other options being cheaper, that's completely true. However, I wouldn't buy a squier bullet, just because it was cheaper than an MIA strat. Buying a used historic in his budget is a no-lose situation as well. The major financial hit happens the first time they are sold used, it's hard to lose money buying one at the price point we're talking about.

I own and play a couple LTDs, there is a significant difference between them and Gibson Historics. There's nothing wrong with the EC-1000 at all, they're solid guitars. They simply aren't in the class of guitars that often cost more by an order of magnitude, especially when you are looking for "that sound". Historics are absurdly overpriced off the shelf, but that's not what I'm suggesting.

Your insults and disparagement aside, all I can do is take him at his word and not make too many assumptions. There are a lot of great suggestions in this topic that may all work for the OP, all we can do is present the options and answer his questions in a way that helps him make his decision.
 
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^ +1

Recommending a LP when a LP is wanted is precisely the right thing and spot on. The OP can figure out for himself if they work for him, but actually considering them is a nod to the fact that he is prepared to try them out.
The construction of the LTD is different, and its aimed at a different market.
 
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^ +1

Recommending a LP when a LP is wanted is precisely the right thing and spot on. The OP can figure out for himself if they work for him, but actually considering them is a nod to the fact that he is prepared to try them out.
The construction of the LTD is different, and its aimed at a different market.

Yeah, I don't get it when someone posts they are looking for a Les Paul and the thread fills with suggestions for Hamers, PRSs and other various guitars. The Les Paul is the most duplicated guitar on the planet. It has inspired many builders and models of guitars. Sure there are a lot of guitars out there that sound and play like a Les Paul. However, if someone is looking for advice on a Paul, give them advice on a Gibson Les Paul. Your own preferences be damned.
 
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Over the years, they've made so many LPs that I am sure you can find the right one. I am sure someone has a page of every model that has been made over the years, so you can pick the specs you want. Remember this one? 1987?

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The "Les Paul" tone is not unique to Les Pauls. There are a host of single and double cut mahogany 24 3/4 scale neck, rosewood board guitars that will offer up all of the "tone"
that the OP wants, without giving him the things he doesn't want, and it does not have to be an actual Les Paul Standard.

Personally, I find the "I want a Les Paul but I don't like Les Pauls" far more odd than people recommending guitars the OP is more likely to embrace that are not Les Pauls....
 
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^ for you it might. You are well known for such high output pickups that any natural guitar tone is comprehensively smothered.

For others the shift in body thickness changes some of the natural eq. Low output pickups and a really nice tube amp set so dynamics in playing are fully realised and there can be significant differences.

So.......don't assume!!
 
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^ for you it might. You are well known for such high output pickups that any natural guitar tone is comprehensively smothered.

For others the shift in body thickness changes some of the natural eq. Low output pickups and a really nice tube amp set so dynamics in playing are fully realised and there can be significant differences.

So.......don't assume!!

You mean output like the DiMarzio PAF in my 73? Or the T-Top in my 79? Or the Vintage P-90 in my Studio? Or the Pearly Gates SET in my main Dean Cadillac? (A Les Paul that isn't an R8 in every tonal way).

And as the Amps go - are referring to my little Pro Jr. or my Mesa Stiletto?

So.....don't assume!!

But yes - I absolutely agree the body thickness does shift the EQ. But so does the random body/neck/board wood that goes into any LP...
 
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As has been said before. Definitely want to play before you buy, I bought my 2010 LP Trad. For $2300 new after playing at least a dozen more, if you go used you can get something similar for under 2k. Getting a working knowledge of the different variances and flavors of Gibson LP will help too. Weight wise mines a good weight 8.5 pounds, I've played newer chambered ones I liked quite a bit since I bought to.

I've played a fair few studios that sounded and felt great too that if I had the money I'd easily have taken home. FWIW though I picked up an SG with a 50s neck and that gets played a whole lot more than the LP.
 
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I have several LPs and one of my favorites is actually an Epi LP Ultra (an older model, not the newer Ultra lll with piezo, etc). Weight relief and belly cut. Beautiful finish, playability and tone (Mean 90 bridge pup, Demon neck). Very light and comfortable. I can't remember the cost, but it was somewhere around only $500-600 new!!
 
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I owned numerous Les Pauls including vintage ones. I have a few from 2007 and they seem to be excellent. The Antique Classic is light and very resonant.lpca.jpg
 
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You mean output like the DiMarzio PAF in my 73? Or the T-Top in my 79? Or the Vintage P-90 in my Studio? Or the Pearly Gates SET in my main Dean Cadillac? (A Les Paul that isn't an R8 in every tonal way).

And as the Amps go - are referring to my little Pro Jr. or my Mesa Stiletto?

So.....don't assume!!

But yes - I absolutely agree the body thickness does shift the EQ. But so does the random body/neck/board wood that goes into any LP...

I knew with you a practical demonstration would be the only way for you to learn your lesson!!!


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I just picked up a Custom Lite. It is 100% Les Paul but around as thick as an SG. It has a big 59 neck so there is a little dive, nothing terrible. I love this thing it is the best of both worlds. I play an SG and a Traditional typically in my current gig.

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That's funny, I'd buy an SG if they'd only build it as thick as a LP [emoji1]

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I would think the Lite LPs would be really neck heavy, but I've never tried one.
 
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So I am contemplating a LP of some kind as my next guitar purchase.

I play SGs primarily and the LP has always seemed a bit awkward for me, ergonomically. They are so heavy, also....

I don't want a new one, don't want vintage, I want a player. I plan to mod it anyway, likely with Whole Lotta Humbuckers and an out-of-phase push pull. Probably want a burst of some kind, on the cosmetic front.

What's a good era... hoping for lower weight, but classic LP tone. Budget is probably around 2K, when the time comes.

Am I high to think I can find a good LP in that price range?


Consider a Guild Bluesbird.... They are chambered so much lighter. They have a slightly different shaped cutaway then a Les Paul does, but they sound pretty damn close. I have a 1990 Standard & the Bluesbird. The Bluesbird sounds surprisingly close to the Les Paul. I went through a few pickup changes. Started out with a pair of 59's, then went to Burstbuckers, naow I have a set of Tonemaster Humbuckers in. Alnico II in the neck and Alnico 5 in the bridge. Great sounding guitars. I also had some additional inlays installed in my Bluesbird. They are setup like a Jazz guitar so I added two more inlays to make it more like a Les Paul. Cool guitars100_1424.jpg
 
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For approximate 2K you can acquire just about any Standard on the market. IF you are really used to a lighter guitar, a 2008 chambered model or a Custom Lite, might be the way to go. You can grab either one of those for $1500 or less all day. And, yes on the WLH... best pickup I've used in a Les Paul

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If going to mod, why even a Gibson? For the headstock? Lotta nice Epiphones you can gut and get 3 of emMy Baby.jpg
 
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