Les Paul Style with Ebony fingerboard and 24 frets

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Yash

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Greetings to fellow forum members! My first post here! So, hi!
I am looking to buy a Les Paul esque guitar, with Mahogany body and neck, ebony fingerboard, 24 frets, and short scale (24,75") Fixed Bridge. Preferably gold hardware, but then again, if I get a really good body and build quality, other things can be replaced, right? At least if it's a fixed bridge model and not Floyd. And, also, I want Duncan pickups, but still haven't decided which ones. Most likely, a Whole Lotta Humbucker in the bridge and a Slash in the neck. Or maybe a JB in the bridge?
My budget would be upto $1500. And, I've basically narrowed it down to just one model. The ESP EC-1000, since I can't find any other singlecuts with 24 frets. Apparently, only ESP makes them with ebony boards. Aesthetically, the guitar is amazing, except I hate the inlays.

http://www.espguitars.com/products/9520-ec-1000-vb?category_id=1963292-ec-series

Now, this has EMG's, but I'll be replacing them with Duncans. Since I already have an EMG 81/89 equipped Jackson King V Pro.

The Duncan version of the same guitar has Rosewood fingerboard, and JB-4 and 59. Now, if I wanted rosewood fingerboard, I could go for Epiphone Prophecy Les Paul Custom GX. It's inlays and quilt maple top look MUCH better than the ESP. And, I may or may not replace the passive Gibson pickups. But, there are quite a few flaws. It's made in China (I don't know if it's a big minus though), the hardware quality isn't very good, so I'll be replacing the bridge and the tuners, probably the nut as well, I don't know how Epiphone's quality control is, and worst of all, it costs a lot more here in Russia than the ESP. The ESP is RUR 57 000. The Epiphone would be RUR 72 000

So, if you have any other suggestion for guitars, please throw them up!!

If not, then, pickup selection time! What would you put in it? I have a tough time deciding what to put in the bridge. Whole Lotta Humbucker, JB-4? Neck, I would go for the Slash pickup I think, or maybe, even a Jazz? Please throw some suggestions!

Thanks
 
Re: Les Paul Style with Ebony fingerboard and 24 frets

Gibson has a double-cutaway Les Paul with 24 frets, and some versions have ebony and gold. Killer guitar. Throw in some Seths or WLH Duncan's and you're good to go. If you don't have your heart set on a single-cut, it's a good choice.

Bill
 
Re: Les Paul Style with Ebony fingerboard and 24 frets

Kiesel CS624. Pick your own colour and woods for the most part!

can easily spec to $1500 and under! just watch the fancy upgrades haha
 
Re: Les Paul Style with Ebony fingerboard and 24 frets

Yash said:
...other things can be replaced, right? At least if it's a fixed bridge model and not Floyd.
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Do what? Floyds can be replaced for Floyds of different colors.


As for a 24 fret short-scale LP-shape, there's not really much out there. Most people want a Les Paul shape to be as close to Gibson's design as possible, but nowhere near the price, so the copies typically stick to 22 frets.
 
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Chapman ML2? Aesthetics are fairly different but the shape is the same, and its got the 24 frets, ebony board, and passive pickups
 
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Well you can get a used Epiphone Prophecy (two knob version) on reverb for $600 and under. Those have EMG's and 24 frets but with that kind of money, you could easily have those pickups swapped and still have cash left over.

Schecter sells a Platinum Solo II with an EMG 57/66 set, which are really really good sounding actually.
 
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Ibanez ARZ

25.1" though, guess it's not as cramped as 24 frets in shorter scale guitar.
 
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Hey guys. I looked at the possible variants, the only one I liked was the Kiseel, but, it has a different scale length, and a quilt maple top makes it kinda out of my budget. So, guess I'll be sticking to the ESP.

SO, step 2. Time to Seymour-ize it!!! I was looking at Whole Lotta Humbucker for the bridge, or the JB-4. And, most likely a Slash for the neck. Or the Alnico II Pro. Any other suggestions are welcome. I play mostly metal, rock, a bit of blues. Artist influences are Dave Mustaine (Megadeth), Jimmy Page (Led Zeppelin, lol) Matt Heafy and Corey Beaulieu(Trivium), Metallica, Gary Holt (Exoudus), Alexi Laiho (Children of Bodom), Myles Kennedy and Mark Tremonti (Alter Bridge), Mikael Akerfeldt (Opeth), Randy Rhoads, Slash, Jeff Hanneman (Slayer), I guess you get the idea. I want it to complement my other guitar which is a Jackson King V (alder body, maple neck thru, ebony fingerboard, and EMG 81/89), and cover ground tonally which it can't.

Now, what's more important, other than pickup selection, the whole process of converting it from EMG's to Duncans, and the wiring. It has three knobs, and I'm used to a master volume and tone, and I was thinking of using the third knob for the EMG SPC Mid-Boost. And, I would want, a push-pull on all three, especially on the mid boost, so that it activates only when it's pulled up. The volume knob splits the neck pickup (same as my Jackson) . Tone knob, can't decide, either make it split the bridge pickup too, or, make it do the Jimmy Page out of phase thingy? Can't decide.
 
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elelpe said:
Ibanez ARZ

25.1" though, guess it's not as cramped as 24 frets in shorter scale guitar.
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Sick guitar!!! Really amazing, I really like it, didn't know Ibanez did nice single cuts! I only knew them for the super strats and the Ibanez destroyer and a sick load of signatures! Haha. I'll add it to my wish list, sadly it has a maple neck, and I really wanted mahogany to get close to Jimmy Page and Slash and the Opeth sound.
 
Re: Les Paul Style with Ebony fingerboard and 24 frets

DrNewcenstein said:
Do what? Floyds can be replaced for Floyds of different colors.


As for a 24 fret short-scale LP-shape, there's not really much out there. Most people want a Les Paul shape to be as close to Gibson's design as possible, but nowhere near the price, so the copies typically stick to 22 frets.
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It would have been nice if I could change the Floyd on my Jackson to a gold one, and probably a better version too, if needed, since it's a 1000 series, and the tuners and the knobs, all gold hardware. If only the inlays could be white, any suggestions?
 
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You telling me Epiphones are more expensive than ESP in Russia? You guys really are completely off your rockers...
 
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Bump... Can someone please help me with the electronics?
 
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Dave mustaine's signature livewires from seymour duncan are basically the jb/jazz set, but active with slightly more output i think (correct me if i'm wrong). If you don't want to completely re-wire the guitar, get the livewires--they have the same quick connect system as the emgs in the ltd.
 
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................... Kiesel are semi custom and you can remove the flame maple top and just leave it plain.
 
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Yash said:
I play mostly metal, rock, a bit of blues. Artist influences are Dave Mustaine (Megadeth), Jimmy Page (Led Zeppelin, lol) Matt Heafy and Corey Beaulieu(Trivium), Metallica, Gary Holt (Exoudus), Alexi Laiho (Children of Bodom), Myles Kennedy and Mark Tremonti (Alter Bridge), Mikael Akerfeldt (Opeth), Randy Rhoads, Slash, Jeff Hanneman (Slayer), I guess you get the idea. I want it to complement my other guitar which is a Jackson King V (alder body, maple neck thru, ebony fingerboard, and EMG 81/89), and cover ground tonally which it can't.
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You're not likely to find one pickup to cover all that ground. You're going from low-gain Telecaster and Gibson PAF-types (Page) up to super-saturated (Trivium, CoB, Opeth) and everywhere in between. You'll be better off with a medium-output PAF-type of pickup and a buttload of stomp boxes and EQ pedals, because a distortion-class pickup won't readily give you the vintage rock/blues tones, even when you turn the knobs on the guitar.


As for the electronics: you have to decide what you want it to do. Push-pulls for this and that and switching and blah blah - all that's personal preference.

And when you say "Epiphones cost more than ESPee" I'm assuming you mean LTD, because ESPee is the RockStar top-of-the-line official branding that George Lynch and Michael Wilton use, which cost as much as a USA Gibson or USA Custom Shop Jackson, if not more. LTD is known to be made by ESPee as their affordable line, so it's not necessary to say "LTD by ESPee". That's like saying "Epiphone by Gibson". We know already.


As for the inlays on the KV, I'm assuming they're the alumiloid? I've got one of those KVMGs, and frankly I like it better than I liked the USA KV-2 and Japan-made Mustaine Pro I used to have. The inlays don't bother me, but you can find inlay stickers on Ebay that look nice and are inexpensive. They're really thin, so you won't notice them when playing. I have a set of them on one of my guitars, and I've had real inlays on USA-made guitars that I could feel more than I can feel these. How well they hold up under intense sweating I can't say, though. Bring a towel, I guess.
 
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If you do end up with a new guitar, live with the pickups for a few weeks so you get to learn how the guitar sounds, and realize what you don't like about them. I find speculating about pickups in a guitar you don't have yet fun, but it also shuts you off from other possibilities you might not consider without the guitar actually in your hands.
 
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I think a JB with an overdrive would actually cover a really good amount of that list to be honest.
 
Re: Les Paul Style with Ebony fingerboard and 24 frets

NjuiMusic said:
I think a JB with an overdrive would actually cover a really good amount of that list to be honest.
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True. The JB has worked for Jeff Beck for decades, and he's not exactly melting faces. It's also worked well for those who do melt faces.
 
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