Les Pauls over priced?

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You want to know something funny about the Heritage Guitar Company? If you visit the company at 225 Parsons in Kalamazoo they still have GIBSON inlayed in contrasting colored bricks on the old Chimney that dominates the building.

The Heritage guitars are nice...I wish thier designs were just a little bit more graceful looking sometimes though.

Lew
 
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hamer and heritage, two of the most under rated companys building guitars. both make killer gear, with better hardware, for less money.
gibson is still gibson and they have the name that people recognize even though its herritage that is made in kalamazoo, but when was the last time you saw a high profile player in a herritage ad?
 
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I am all for giving that money to a private luthier- it will help feed his family. I owned a Howard Roberts Fusion for years, and sold it because I get a better, authentic jazz sound out of my Brian Moore. Go figure.
Some people are 'all about the name', some play them because Page played one. I tend to see a lot fewer LPs in the hand of working musicians these days (not famous, but professional) than 15 years ago. It is priced like Harleys are- Gibson is a 'lifestyle' company that tanked Oberheim, Trace Elliot, and Opcode, so they could find a way to make expensive LPs for a smaller amout of money yet charge more.

One of my favorite guitarists (Robert Fripp) played an LP Custom for years, until switching to Fernandes, since they made a better LP for less money.

My reasons for not playing an LP are simpler than that: too heavy, and I see no reason to spend that much $ on a guitar that I will wind up changing the pickups and tuners on. (oh yeah, no piezo or synth pickups!)
 
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I like Gibssons, used ones anyway. :)

I also loove my Hamer Studio FM.

There are options out there, folks. :burnout:
 
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That's a tough question. On one level Gibson can charge whatever people are willing to pay for their guitars. But I feel Gibson should also strive to give good value -- better input-jacks, switches, pick-ups, ect. I mean don't put anything on the guitar you wouldn't want for yourself. Their is no guitar that I know of with that gorgeous head-stock of a less paul. But it does seem that Gibson is a bit too concerned with the profit side of the business than the heart side. But I guess that's why they are so successful.

My only gripe with the knock-offs is that, I think they can do better on the head-stock. There's got to be something they can do with-out getting sued.
 
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Yes , they are ! You pay for the name on the headstock

I have a class 5 LP which retail price was 25% higher than a PRS Singlecut and when I swapped the PUs for Duncans I found huge quantity of "dried polish" in the cavities. The pots were plastic based , cheap quality and I I to replace them because they were almost out of order after I unsolded the PUs !!!

BTW a Les Paul is legal , and legal is boring !

I'm on the other side now , I'm a Singlecut Outlaw !!!

I sold 2 used LP std to buy 2 brand new PRS Singlecut and I couldn't be more happy !
 
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About 20 years ago, you could find a used Les Paul for about $450. I remember turning down buying a Silverburst around that time because I thought that $475 was outrageous. That same instrument would go for $1800 now, perhaps more. Yes, I think that Les Pauls are INCREDIBLY overpriced. But they're also wonderful instruments.
 
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What designs are you talking about Lew? Mine looks identical to an LP except the headstock.....well and also the REAL mother of pearl inlays (like a Hamer) instead of plastic. If you are talking about the pickguards....I concur. The headstock kinda grows on you. Yeah I still like a big headstock but my heritage has straighter pull on the strings.

Luke
 
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LP's overpriced? - yes they are but it's all to do with market conditions and how much we all want to pay for them and idolise/mimic our heroes. Having said all that most of you would be extremely shocked at the sort of prices that we in the UK (and other parts of Europe) have to pay for them - over twice as much as in the US.

Lew - please stop going on about Hamer guitars, they are only meant for people who have discerning taste (like you, me and few others) and we have to make sure that not many people know about them otherwise we will not have enough for ourselves :32:
 
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captain cavman said:
I have a class 5 LP which retail price was 25% higher than a PRS Singlecut and when I swapped the PUs for Duncans I found huge quantity of "dried polish" in the cavities. The pots were plastic based , cheap quality and I I to replace them because they were almost out of order after I unsolded the PUs !!!

Hey CC! How you doin? I had exactly the same experience with those Gibson pots going into meltdown when I put new pickups in a new Gibson '56 RI LP Historic a month or so ago. The terminals just melted off and the pots had to be replaced. And I'm a pretty careful solderer too. Lew
 
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Norman_T said:
Lew - please stop going on about Hamer guitars, they are only meant for people who have discerning taste (like you, me and few others) and we have to make sure that not many people know about them otherwise we will not have enough for ourselves :32:

Sorry. I feel the same way every time John (STRATDELUXER97) mentions my favorite NOS 12ax7 tubes! I'm not gonna say what they are either...I want 'em all for myself! :laugh2: Lew
 
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Yeah, they're overpriced.... most of them.

But i think my Les Paul is better than any other hamer or the few heritage models i've played. Gibson still makes some wonderful guitars, you might have to search a bit for them. And they're more expensive, but if you can have the REAL DEAL, thats as good or better than the imitations, i see the price as justified. And i'm not 30+, i'm 17.
 
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To some degree the only real-deal Les Pauls are the vintage originals. IMO vintage snobs might scoff at a Les Paul re-issue. It then goes down the line where Les Paul re-issue owners may scoff at the imitations. The current Gibson company just inherited the right to copy the originals. The supply of good wood is less and I doubt the skill of the workers is as good as the original guys. Gibson rests on it's past and re-issues classics. They haven't innovated much to my knowledge. Companies like Hamer & Heritage have to try harder and charge less just to survive. That said, if money wasn't an issue, I would probably choose a Gibson Les Paul Reissue, too. :22:
 
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The current Gibson marketing strategy reminds me of one that I heard about Disney employing a while back, which was that they were going to keep raising the price of admission to Disney World until attendance dropped off. Well, as they raised it, attendance kept increasing, so they kept jacking up the price. My first electric guitar was a 1989 Gibson (not Epiphone) Les Paul Custom that I got in high school. I saved my money for a year, and bought it new with case, for $900!!! The dealer was looking to move some inventory to make way for new models. That same guitar now lists for $4,495.00 and sells for $2,922.00 according to Musician's Friend. That is insane. I love that guitar, and would never sell it, but meanwhile the pickups were microphonic (hence my first purchase of Duncans). Gibson's pricing is completely out of control, and frankly, musicians should boycott them until they bring things back down to reality. For what they charge, you can get a guitar custom built, either from an independent luthier or even the Fender Custom Shop. I personally have a lot of respect for Fender for keeping the price of Strats and Teles under $1000. The American Standards may not be up to the level of CS models, but they are extremely playable and fully professional, quality instruments. Fender started out as an inexpensive but high-quality alternative to Gibson-style guitars, and has remained so. Gibson has become the official guitar of dentists, but they have priced themselves out of the realm of affordability for working musicians and kids just starting out. The funny thing is, their NAMM show room isn't impressive in the least, unlike the Fender and Taylor rooms. Don't get me wrong, I fully support Gibson to charge as much as they want to, I am just not going to give my money to a company that decides to do so. I feel that since those investors (led by Henry Juszkiewicz) took over the company, they made it all about profit, not love for making fine instuments. Of course, I'm a capitalist, and I realize that the goal of any business should be to be as lucrative as possible, but compare that to Paul Reed Smith, who also charges a lot for his instruments, but seems to have a true passion for what he does. As long as people keep the mentality that Gibson guitars are way up on a pedestal, they will continue to be priced accordingly. When guitar players realize that there are options every bit as good and even better for far less $$$, maybe things will change. The guitar is only a tool for making music, and 99.9% of the people you are playing for don't care if you are playing a Gibson or a Fender or a Squier or a Daisy Rock as long as you touch them or move them in some way. I say find something that works for you that you can afford, and don't get hung up on brand names:
Johnny Ramone - Cheapo Mosrite
Jeff Healy - Cheapo Squier
Paul McCartney - Cheapo (at the time) Hofner bass
Eddie Van Halen - Cheapo homemade parts guitar
Any others?

Sorry for the rant...
 
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Overpriced, just like
Mercedes
Ferrari
Porsche
Cadillac
Lexus

Will a Toyota, Nissan, Mercury, or Hyundai get you the same performance? It'll still get you from point A to point B, but it's not quite the same when driving it, pulling up in it, or reselling it.
 
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Gearjoneser said:
Overpriced, just like
Mercedes
Ferrari
Porsche
Cadillac
Lexus

Will a Toyota, Nissan, Mercury, or Hyundai get you the same performance? It'll still get you from point A to point B, but it's not quite the same when driving it, pulling up in it, or reselling it.

:drive:

:bigok:

B
 
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