Les Pauls over priced?

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Hamer and Heritage guitars are great no problems there. But so is a good LP, especially them historic ones. And I don't think they are "that" overpriced. A custom shop R7 going for 2300-400 ain't that bad. And if you get the right one, those are great guitars. Just don't buy it from MF or GC.

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Of course they're not overpriced, if they were they wouldn't sell, basic economics 101. If you can't or don't want to pay the price there are many alternatives available, but don't blame Gibson for your personal situation.
 
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If I was going to buy a guitar as an investment I might lean more towards Paul Reed Smith. All the kids comining up today IMO will more likely want one of those when they hit their 30's.
 
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excuse me but a "custom shop" guitar that's made with a cnc machine isn't worth $2300-2400, thats just perposturous.
 
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Then you don't buy it, so what!

The thing is that you think it is not worth, but somebody else like me may not share your point of view. How about that?

Who cares about the machine used to shape the body. The important thing is find the wood, hand select it, and having the knowledge of how to do so.

Anyway there is no point in arguing, because the value we hold for them is already reflected in our actions. You don't buy one, I do! It's as simple as that.

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"...don't blame Gibson for your personal situation" seems rather elitist. How much does it cost Gibson in raw materials (wood, finish supplies, hardware, cost of epuipment) and manpower to craft a Les Paul? I honestly don't know, but I bet that given that knowledge it would prove without a doubt that they are exceptionally overpriced. Along the lines of what I stated previously, if that amount of money is worth it to you, by all means go for it. They can charge as much as they want and you can spend as much as you want. My "personal situation" would allow me to afford a new Les Paul, but my common sense tells me that that same amount of money can be spent much more wisely and go much farther.
 
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what about the strat or tele? sure they are cheaper than the LP but they are easier to make( bolt-on neck, no binding, flat top, easier electronics access, multiple-piece body, no maple/wood cap). do you think they are over-priced too?
 
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Just because people are willing to pay crazy amounts for a Gibson doesn't mean they are not overpriced. You are paying for a name. Whenever you pay extra for a name it is overpriced.

For example Harley's. Known for breaking down. Ill handling, heavy, way old technology. People are on waiting lists to pay waaaay too much for one. You can get a japanese cruiser for much less money and it will, look as good, be much more reliable, and will handle at least as well as the Harley.
 
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TheJangus said:
For example Harley's. Known for breaking down. Ill handling, heavy, way old technology. People are on waiting lists to pay waaaay too much for one. You can get a japanese cruiser for much less money and it will, look as good, be much more reliable, and will handle at least as well as the Harley.
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Yeah, but when a guy on a Harley pulls up next to you at a stop light....
 
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Ther list price for an American Standard Stratocaster, according to MF, is $1,256.99 - $1,306.99. I'm no professional guitar builder, although I have finished and built a couple of parts guitars, but with a list of $4,495.00, I don't believe that a Gibson Les Paul Custom is three-and-a-half times as hard to make (nor are the raw materials that much more expensive) as a Stratocaster.
 
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You know what's happening here?

IMO, we Americans think we deserve to be paid top dollar for our own work but we have a hard time paying other Americans top dollar for thier work!

Very weird. It bugs me when people with money (you can tell by thier shoes, watch and jewelry) come into my shop and comment on how beautiful everything we make is and how they've looked everywhere and blah blah blah...and then insult me by trying to get me to sell to them for less than I can afford to and still produce the level of quality we do. :smack:

That said, I still think Gibsons are overpriced for what you get! :laugh2:
 
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MikeRocker said:
Ther list price for an American Standard Stratocaster, according to MF, is $1,256.99 - $1,306.99. I'm no professional guitar builder, although I have finished and built a couple of parts guitars, but with a list of $4,495.00, I don't believe that a Gibson Les Paul Custom is three-and-a-half times as hard to make (nor are the raw materials that much more expensive) as a Stratocaster.
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you compared a custom shop LP to a standard production strat which is unfair.an american deluxe std strat retails at about $1200 , a gibson LP standard retails at about $ 2000. considering it takes more time to make a les paul and the other things i mentioned earlier, i think they are both overpriced.
 
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Lewguitar said:
You know what's happening here?

IMO, we Americans think we deserve to be paid top dollar for our own work but we have a hard time paying other Americans top dollar for thier work!

Very weird. It bugs me when people with money (you can tell by thier shoes, watch and jewelry) come into my shop and comment on how beautiful everything we make is and how they've looked everywhere and blah blah blah...and then insult me by trying to get me to sell to them for less than I can afford to and still produce the level of quality we do. :smack:

That said, I still think Gibsons are overpriced for what you get! :laugh2:
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So true it isn't even funny.

Who are they overpriced for? Most professional musician's pay a good dollar for their main instrument. If you are going to make your living off your guitar the people that made it are entitled to make their livings as well no? So I really don't see the issue here. Gibson has name, reputation, a fairly large employee base, does quite a bit of promotion, advertising, etc. why shouldn't they get what the market will bear for their goods? This is a free market economy, make what you can. When times are lean if you left money on the table you'll regret it, trust me on that. Some of you guys have very "pie in the sky" attitudes about business. Gibson is not here after 100 years for nothing, even in their darkest days their name meant an awful lot, there is a reason for that.

Gibson makes plenty of guitars that go on the street for under $1000, they know not everyone can afford their higher line models. They even have a value line in Epiphone for those that can't really consider the high end Gibson models.

If that doesn't suit you, shop elsewhere.
 
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I will not buy one because they are so overpriced. OUTRAGEOUS!!!!!!
 
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"Some of you guys have very "pie in the sky" attitudes about business."

That's it in a nutshell. It's called capitalism. I'd take the same position if we were talking about Rolex watches, Jaguar cars, or John Deere tractors. And as far as me being "elitist", that's laughable. My "Les Paul" is a Yamaha SG1500!
 
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Oh yeah, my "Rolex" is a Timex, my "Jaguar" is a Toyota, and my "John Deere" is a worn smack out 8n Ford. :)
 
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Just about everything great is overpriced. I mean look at sex...

...what? Oh, I see how it is. Way to go, you! : party:
 
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Benjy_26 said:
I like Gibssons, used ones anyway. :)

I also loove my Hamer Studio FM.

There are options out there, folks. :burnout:
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Right on, Benjy. If you buy a Gibby used you can definitely get around that "over-priced" stigmatism to a certain degree that the Gibson name seems to carry. I bought my Studio for less than $700, put $125 into different pups, put a nice set-up on it and have played it as my favorite axe since.
I would like to try a Hamer and Heritage out to compare and wouldn't be against owning one if I liked 'em enough. Being a huge Les Paul fan, I like reading these kinds of threads to get a feel of what the consensus of the forum is in regards to the similarly styled models out there and how they play or sound....plus how they're built.
Good stuff!

....Bob
 
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