Let's start thinking a little, folks.
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Skarekrough
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Re: Let's start thinking a little, folks.
It's not about honesty or lack of. It's about being an active participant in the process and being willing to put your wallet where your demands are.
There's a reason why the OP has been jumped on and ****-slammed; he did took something publically that he should of resolved privately that was the result of him not speaking up.
It's arrogant for him to think that someone would just pony up their own cake for the acoutrements. It's not like that in the real world, and it's not like that here. If you bought something off of eBay and there was no mention of insurance and you didn't specify that you wanted it, would you EXPECT that someone would have done it?
No....because you didn't ask for it.
When you don't ask for something to be done you lose the right to bitch about it when it doesn't happen.
It's not about honesty or lack of. It's about being an active participant in the process and being willing to put your wallet where your demands are.
There's a reason why the OP has been jumped on and ****-slammed; he did took something publically that he should of resolved privately that was the result of him not speaking up.
It's arrogant for him to think that someone would just pony up their own cake for the acoutrements. It's not like that in the real world, and it's not like that here. If you bought something off of eBay and there was no mention of insurance and you didn't specify that you wanted it, would you EXPECT that someone would have done it?
No....because you didn't ask for it.
When you don't ask for something to be done you lose the right to bitch about it when it doesn't happen.
aleclee
Major General GAS
Re: Let's start thinking a little, folks.
So if it's your responsibility to put it in the buyer's hands, do you eat the guitar and provide a refund if it doesn't get there? IMO, that's the best reason why a seller would want the item insured, regardless of the buyer's interest in such protection.
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Bad analogy IMO. First, unlike your example it wasn't a blanket statement like "everyone who sells here is a jerk". Second, I'm not sure if you could figure out that the OP was writing in reference to krank even if you were willing to flip through trading post threads trying to figure it out. Krank decided to out himself. If he hadn't done that, how many of us would know that he was one of the parties described in the OP?
BadJaxx
New member
Re: Let's start thinking a little, folks.
"If you bought something off of eBay and there was no mention of insurance and you didn't specify that you wanted it, would you EXPECT that someone would have done it?"
absolutely....shipping without insurance is irresponsible IMO and if a seller is going to do that, then that's a seller i don't trust...
"If you bought something off of eBay and there was no mention of insurance and you didn't specify that you wanted it, would you EXPECT that someone would have done it?"
absolutely....shipping without insurance is irresponsible IMO and if a seller is going to do that, then that's a seller i don't trust...
LesStrat
Reining PunLowered
Re: Let's start thinking a little, folks.
BadJaxx, it is interesting that you take such a strong position in opposition to dealing with the forum brethren. Especially considering you have 22 posts.
I have dealt with with at least 5 members (I don't keep track of it that well, and I don't trade that often). I have no major complaints. This is a community. Sure, there are some who are not as upstanding. Name a community that doesn't have that. But there are MANY, MANY honest people here.
Do as you wish. But I suspect you will miss out on some good deals and great friendships as a result.
(I guess he won't be buying LesStrat, then.):smack:
BadJaxx, it is interesting that you take such a strong position in opposition to dealing with the forum brethren. Especially considering you have 22 posts.
I have dealt with with at least 5 members (I don't keep track of it that well, and I don't trade that often). I have no major complaints. This is a community. Sure, there are some who are not as upstanding. Name a community that doesn't have that. But there are MANY, MANY honest people here.
Do as you wish. But I suspect you will miss out on some good deals and great friendships as a result.
(I guess he won't be buying LesStrat, then.):smack:
JB_From_Hell
Jomo's Nimions
Re: Let's start thinking a little, folks.
It was a blanket statement. He said "The lack of maturity of some supposedly stellar "Good Traders" ". By that, it could be anybody referenced in the "Good Traders" forum. I stand by my analogy.
As far as not owing any apologies, I guess that means that so long as I don't name people specifically, I can say whatever crap I want about people.
It was a blanket statement. He said "The lack of maturity of some supposedly stellar "Good Traders" ". By that, it could be anybody referenced in the "Good Traders" forum. I stand by my analogy.
As far as not owing any apologies, I guess that means that so long as I don't name people specifically, I can say whatever crap I want about people.
aleclee
Major General GAS
Re: Let's start thinking a little, folks.
While you're at it, would you mind cutting down on the hyperbole a bit? If I talk about a situation where someone failed to do what I consider right while avoiding calling him out, that's quite different from "talking crap about people".
Don't put words in my mouth.
While you're at it, would you mind cutting down on the hyperbole a bit? If I talk about a situation where someone failed to do what I consider right while avoiding calling him out, that's quite different from "talking crap about people".
JB_From_Hell
Jomo's Nimions
Re: Let's start thinking a little, folks.
Relax, I didn't mean to put any words in your mouth. Let me rephrase that to, "Does simply not naming names give someone the right to make (potentially) unfounded accusations?"
And don't put words in my mouth. I never said he was "talking crap about people." The phrase I used was "I can say whatever crap I want about people." In this situation, "crap" is a synonym for stuff. If you look through some of my posts, you'll find this to be true quite often.
Relax, I didn't mean to put any words in your mouth. Let me rephrase that to, "Does simply not naming names give someone the right to make (potentially) unfounded accusations?"
And don't put words in my mouth. I never said he was "talking crap about people." The phrase I used was "I can say whatever crap I want about people." In this situation, "crap" is a synonym for stuff. If you look through some of my posts, you'll find this to be true quite often.
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Virtual Kevorkian
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Re: Let's start thinking a little, folks.
I wonder... how many people are going to deal with caprae after this? :laugh2:
I wonder... how many people are going to deal with caprae after this? :laugh2:
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Skarekrough
Guest
Re: Let's start thinking a little, folks.
If anything positive comes out of this I hope it's that there's a little more respect and communication about expectations when it comes to making deals on here.
The fact that this got aired publically, let's just say it never should of come to this. Ever.
I know I'll certianly make it known that all transactions will involve the cost of insurance in the shipping to be paid by the buyer.
If anything positive comes out of this I hope it's that there's a little more respect and communication about expectations when it comes to making deals on here.
The fact that this got aired publically, let's just say it never should of come to this. Ever.
I know I'll certianly make it known that all transactions will involve the cost of insurance in the shipping to be paid by the buyer.
aleclee
Major General GAS
Re: Let's start thinking a little, folks.
While we're on the topic of "unfounded accusations", the nature of internet discussion boards makes pretty much all such claims appear to be unfounded since most folks wouldn't bother posting sufficient documentation to prove their case, esp. when the intent is not to name names.
Though a lot of folks have jumped in caprae's business, I look at the OP as a rant about sellers' shipping practices rather than being a jab at the folks he's done deals with. In that light, I don't see the justification for the vitriol directed towards him. Folks might not agree with his expectations of sellers but IMO if his actions towards krankguitarist merit an apology, a few folks owe one to caprae, too.
No, it doesn't. However, the guy who outed himself confirmed the "accusation". Whether what he did was right or wrong is another question altogether but from what I read, in this case the acts described appear to be the acts committed.
While we're on the topic of "unfounded accusations", the nature of internet discussion boards makes pretty much all such claims appear to be unfounded since most folks wouldn't bother posting sufficient documentation to prove their case, esp. when the intent is not to name names.
Though a lot of folks have jumped in caprae's business, I look at the OP as a rant about sellers' shipping practices rather than being a jab at the folks he's done deals with. In that light, I don't see the justification for the vitriol directed towards him. Folks might not agree with his expectations of sellers but IMO if his actions towards krankguitarist merit an apology, a few folks owe one to caprae, too.
Low_fidelity2100
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brit84
Active member
Re: Let's start thinking a little, folks.
What does that have to do with anything? Are people not allowed their opinion under a certain number of posts. only 22 doesnt mean he doesnt know anything or isnt allowed to talk.
Sorry I dont have a couple of thousand yet:chairfall
What does that have to do with anything? Are people not allowed their opinion under a certain number of posts. only 22 doesnt mean he doesnt know anything or isnt allowed to talk.
Sorry I dont have a couple of thousand yet:chairfall
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BadJaxx
New member
Re: Let's start thinking a little, folks.
true i don't have many posts here although i've bought and sold here....
seems that it doesn't count all posts for some reason...
i've also bought and sold on Ebay, TGP, Dean Forum, Gcom, and HFC....have a lot more posts on those forums...
i KNOW that most people here would deal fairly....just bothers me seeing so many with the "Buyer Beware" mentality....which i haven't seen elsewhere although i'm sure some exist...
true i don't have many posts here although i've bought and sold here....
seems that it doesn't count all posts for some reason...
i've also bought and sold on Ebay, TGP, Dean Forum, Gcom, and HFC....have a lot more posts on those forums...
i KNOW that most people here would deal fairly....just bothers me seeing so many with the "Buyer Beware" mentality....which i haven't seen elsewhere although i'm sure some exist...
Jeff_H
Dean Hardtail Fanologist
Re: Let's start thinking a little, folks.
We all need a big group hug here.
I've done 30+ transactions just on this board, and I've not had one problem. I have met some of the kindest, most honest and trusting people here than anywhere else, including real life.
A little common sense and communication will go a long ways. I think the right thing to do is send an item with delivery confirmation and insurance. It's not enough extra money to kill the deal either way, and even if the sellar has to eat it, big deal is my opinion. However, build it into your FAIR shipping price, and all will be fine.
Just my humble opinion.
We all need a big group hug here.
I've done 30+ transactions just on this board, and I've not had one problem. I have met some of the kindest, most honest and trusting people here than anywhere else, including real life.
A little common sense and communication will go a long ways. I think the right thing to do is send an item with delivery confirmation and insurance. It's not enough extra money to kill the deal either way, and even if the sellar has to eat it, big deal is my opinion. However, build it into your FAIR shipping price, and all will be fine.
Just my humble opinion.
EL WHOPPO
New member
Re: Let's start thinking a little, folks.
But my experience has shown that when going thru priority mail (air mail) that packages are better tracked and for the most part not damaged. This seems to hold true for most shippers.
This one is directed at me. I bit my tongue, saying to myself that I wasn't going to post anything, but have decided to post up. I like eveyone has said mentioned before hand, you should have asked. The pick up is insured (like I said, you should have asked), and you seemed like a honest enough person that if it didn't get there, I'd reimburse the $50 (mint, in new condition Jazz- neck pick up. $69.99 at your nearest music store), and I'd fight it out with USPS. I waited 5 days for the E-check to clear, felt bad that you had to wait too, and after working a 12 hr. night shift, and taking my kid to school, I waited 30 mins. for the Post Office to open up to send it priority mail. Did I mention I had the flu and had to run across the street to McDonalds to use the bathroom a few times?
But my experience has shown that when going thru priority mail (air mail) that packages are better tracked and for the most part not damaged. This seems to hold true for most shippers.
