Limited edition duncans at musicians enemy!!

[Artie]

Re: Limited edition duncans at musicians enemy!!

Consider this my Opus...although from the looks of it I doubt anyone really gives a crap.

Heck, no one from Seymour Duncan Corp. has even bothered to explain how the whole mess developed, no less even offer an apology :smack:

Believe it or not, I care . . . a little bit. I think its a shame when someone has a bad experience with a good company. I do, however, think a smidgen of fault lies at your door. These were designed as a guitar pickup first, that has a bit of uniqueness second. I believe that you, and some others, bought them as investments, or collector items first. That was a mistake, albiet one that isn't completely, your fault.

It would be a shame if you heard a killer sounding guitar at some time in the near future, and then found out it was the very pickups you had in your hand. The simple fact that they came from MF should've been a clue that these wouldn't be ultra-collectibles.

Billy mentioned on page 6 of this thread how the snafu came about, with a promise to get to the bottom of it and report back here when he knows.

Anyway, I don't mean to aggravate you any more, I just think its a shame to, as they say, "throw the baby out with the bathwater". It was just a snafu, plain and simple.

 

[Scott_F]

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Hardy-Har-Har...this must be a really amusing thing for you, as you could probably have Seymour wind-you-up any darn PUP config you wanted, whereas guitar players like myself would have just liked the chance to purchase these PUPs as advertised without having to kiss anyone's arse.

Yeppers, it must be really easy to be sanctimoniously capricious when you're holding all the cards...

Don't mind me if I'm not in a jovial spirit at the moment, I had to re-pack the B$ from Musician's Fiend, trudge down to UPS in the rain today and slap down $18 for shipping and insurance charges...not a happy camper over this whole debacle.

In fact, I'm officially done with Seymour Duncan & Musician's Fiend, don't need em', don't want em', time to move on...besides, there's FAR better options available AS ADVERTISED from Rio Grande, WCR, Lollar, Holmes & PRS just to name a few.

Consider this my Opus...although from the looks of it I doubt anyone really gives a crap.

Heck, no one from Seymour Duncan Corp. has even bothered to explain how the whole mess developed, no less even offer an apology :smack:

P.S. Chucklehead, isn't it about time to pull the plug & delete the evidence on this black-eye for SD, like you did the last time?

Opus it is then.

Did you actually try the pickups?

Is it the issue about the magnets or whether they were wound by Seymour versus MJ? If I remember correctly last time I was at the factory, both of them wind pickups in the custom shop. I'd imagine you'd not be able to tell the difference in two of the same models that either of them were to wind.

But I digress. I got a tiny laugh out of the hubbub this has all caused. I guess I should have been a bit more sensitive to the apparent hostilities. I hadn't gone back and read every thread, so I guess I missed the anger that seems to exist.

Now to other things... The only reason I deleted that Warmoth thread is because of the personl attacks and the total lack of respect shown to other members. Looking back at it, I probably should have just deleted the vitrolic parts.

If this thread was going to be covered up or smothered or whatever, it would have happened a long time ago. One thing you would know if you had actually spent much positive time here is that our only real rules center about respect to other members and not bashing other companies. Funny thing though, criticism against Duncan is totally allowed, cool and encouraged. It is how they get better. But at the same time, don't bash Duncan's competitors. They're not here to defend themselves.

If you guys don't think this thread has their attention, trust me you're wrong.

Gary, if you go back and read a few posts from this thread early on, heck, I was in agreement with you on several points. I certainly do not let our disagreement over the Warmoth thing enter into my judgement or feelings on any of this.

Since you're obviously unhappy, have you actually called into Duncan Tech Support and complained? Have you called MF? Heck, last time I had an issue with MF screwing up, I demanded they pay the shipping and issue an pickup from UPS, which they did. I didn't have to do anything but print out the label and put the package on the front door.

So, since you are obviously into personal attacks, my suggestion is to perhaps to try channeling some of that energy in a positive direction brother. I will say this, in no uncertain terms, if you continue to show a lack of respect for other forum members, myself included, you will be asked to leave. We are a pretty patient group around here, but you've been very negative. There seems to be a huge chip on your shoulder. I wish you the best and hope you get over it. Try getting into the spirit of brotherhood that this is place is all about.

Sincerely,

Chucklehead.

 

[theodie]

Re: Limited edition duncans at musicians enemy!!

I started a bit of a thread monster. I did not expect this thread to go on this long or to get kinda sort of semi heated.

 

[Jeff_H]

Re: Limited edition duncans at musicians enemy!!

Way to go theodie!!!!!!

 

[rspst14]

Re: Limited edition duncans at musicians enemy!!

Another that didn't read the Saledudes pitch on page#1 of this thread. OK, since some of you guys seem too lazy to read the whole thread, here's the pitch:

Perhaps it's you who should read more carefully. The boxes were marked as A2 and signed with MJ's initials. So who do we believe, the person who wound it and says it's A2 or the person who sold it and says it's A5?

Ryan

 

[Artie]

Re: Limited edition duncans at musicians enemy!!

A2, Brute . . . :laugh2:

 

[Fret Tech]

Re: Limited edition duncans at musicians enemy!!

... I believe that you, and some others, bought them as investments, or collector items first. That was a mistake, albiet one that isn't completely, your fault ...

Mistake? Not at all a mistake - a very good calculated plan based on the way the 21st century guitar society thinks (no different from the 20th century).

Of course some of us bought the 50th Annie pups as "collector's items". This whole guitar industry engine is still revved up on the words "vintage" and "collectible", and "tone woods" and "relic'd finishes" and, of course, "nitro finishes".

Getting these pups meant having a piece of Seymour Duncan in yer pocket, an item that will accrue in value specifically because it is what it is - a very special set of pups that were hand made (built, part by part, that is) by Seymour (and not anyone else). The connection to MF meant diddly-squat, as no MF branding was s'posed to be accomplished on the hardware itself.

 

[Scott_F]

Re: Limited edition duncans at musicians enemy!!

It does distress me that there is such a mix up. I've known these folks at Duncan for several years now. I've broken bread with several of them. Billy is a good guy. I do not, for a minute, believe he would intentionally mislead anyone. There was just no reason to misinform. It's a custom shop wind.

I agree that if it says hand wound by Seymour, it should be hand wound by Seymour. I also disagree if that there would be any difference in tone whether Seymour or MJ wound them.

I think buying a set of pups for an investment purpose is a bit 'out there', but that's just me.

Get your refund, demand that MF pay the shipping costs both ways (I would if I was that bent out of shape), accept the apologies that have been extended and move on. People make mistakes.

I do not believe there is a pattern that shows that the SD company does stuff like this on a regular basis. They haven't been in business this long with sucha good reputation if it was otherwise.

 

[nuntius]

Re: Limited edition duncans at musicians enemy!!

Just a question as I head-out the door - What clips on your site did you use that JB/A2 mod with on a modern rock recording?

Just curious as to what it sounds like...

Ok... Listen to this piece all the way through...

http://www.soundclick.com/util/streamM3U.m3u?ID=1927379&q=Hi

It was my attempt at blending film kinda music with heavier music (you'll have to let it build up ). Not the best example of what it can do but all the electrics are the A2 JB.

Give me a bit of time and I'll do something heavier with it

 

[donkey]

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[waiting for donkey to claim it's a scam]

Bwahahahahaaaaaaa! 2 points for aleclee! :laugh2:

 

[TaZMaNiO]

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Bwahahahahaaaaaaa! 2 points for aleclee! :laugh2:

Careful someone might think you have a chip on your shoulder and boot you out of the brothahood! :newangel:

 

[TaZMaNiO]

Re: Limited edition duncans at musicians enemy!!

I started a bit of a thread monster. I did not expect this thread to go on this long or to get kinda sort of semi heated.

I dont think anyone expected this thread to turn out the way it has. :smack:

 

[TaZMaNiO]

Re: Limited edition duncans at musicians enemy!!

Mistake? Not at all a mistake - a very good calculated plan based on the way the 21st century guitar society thinks (no different from the 20th century).

Of course some of us bought the 50th Annie pups as "collector's items". This whole guitar industry engine is still revved up on the words "vintage" and "collectible", and "tone woods" and "relic'd finishes" and, of course, "nitro finishes".

Getting these pups meant having a piece of Seymour Duncan in yer pocket, an item that will accrue in value specifically because it is what it is - a very special set of pups that were hand made (built, part by part, that is) by Seymour (and not anyone else). The connection to MF meant diddly-squat, as no MF branding was s'posed to be accomplished on the hardware itself.

I bought these on both counts, as collectible and for wailing tone.

Whats funny is all these dudes defending SD when they don't even give an excuse or correction. What would these dudes say if they bought a guitar off MF that was advertised MIA but was MIC?

To me thats how big a difference this is :duh:

 

[Brad7370]

Re: Limited edition duncans at musicians friend!!

Re: Limited edition duncans at musicians friend!!

We are presently working with the staff at Seymour Duncan to
resolve the issues here in a manner that should please everyone.
We are going to have pickups available for the Alnico II and Alnico V
fans alike. Please stay tuned in as we will be presenting the resolution
this afternoon.

Thanks everyone for the intriguing discussion.

Best Regards,
Brad Hochstetler
Musicians Friend

 

[Artie]

Re: Limited edition duncans at musicians enemy!!

I don't think there was anything really "bad" in this thread. There's a discussion of a possible SD/MF snafu, but even the people who were the most put-out, and upset were civil about it. I didn't see any screaming or yelling.

I think its a cool thread on the subject of Murphy's Law: subparagraph: s**t can happen.

 

[mig50]

Re: Limited edition duncans at musicians enemy!!

I started a bit of a thread monster. I did not expect this thread to go on this long or to get kinda sort of semi heated.

banned!!!

 

[TheArchitect]

Re: Limited edition duncans at musicians friend!!

Re: Limited edition duncans at musicians friend!!

We are presently working with the staff at Seymour Duncan to
resolve the issues here in a manner that should please everyone.
We are going to have pickups available for the Alnico II and Alnico V
fans alike. Please stay tuned in as we will be presenting the resolution
this afternoon.

Thanks everyone for the intriguing discussion.

Best Regards,
Brad Hochstetler
Musicians Friend

Well thats interesting if he is who he claims to be. Either the returns are really piling up at MF or someone at Duncan gave someone at MF a swift kick in the nutz. Still not interested in this line but it just might be that someones' ass is in a sling over this one.

 

[TaZMaNiO]

Re: Limited edition duncans at musicians friend!!

Re: Limited edition duncans at musicians friend!!

Well thats interesting if he is who he claims to be. Either the returns are really piling up at MF or someone at Duncan gave someone at MF a swift kick in the nutz. Still not interested in this line but it just might be that someones' ass is in a sling over this one.

Maybe he is here for the intriguing discussion? :laugh2:

Anyways I'm looking forward to his most excellent presentation the one SD gave us on page one was sure good for a laugh :32:

 

[Artie]

Re: Limited edition duncans at musicians enemy!!

The tragedy here, is going to be that this little snafu is going to be the fodder for the gossip and rumor mill for the next decade or two. These are probably going to be outstanding sounding pups, but anytime someone mentions in some forum somewhere, that they have those Seymour Duncan 50th Anniversary pickups that MF sold, someone else is going to "put them wise".

"Those are fake, and were wound by some girl at the factory."

Not realizing that "some girl" is MJ, who has, to a large part, shaped the sound of rock & roll for the last 20 years.

It'll be great gossip, but thats about it.

 

[Scott_F]

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Careful someone might think you have a chip on your shoulder and boot you out of the brothahood! :newangel:

Just keep it respectful and criticize all you wish.