SOLO GUITAR STEWIE
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wow...now they have the Spider series in a head with TUBES......
this ought to be interesting!!
chris
this ought to be interesting!!
chris
Line 6 Spider VALVE
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CronoDL
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Re: Line 6 Spider VALVE
Yeah, it looks pretty interesting. It's kinda like the Vox Valvetronix, and I like those a lot.
These should be even better if they put it together with the higher models like the Flextones.
Yeah, it looks pretty interesting. It's kinda like the Vox Valvetronix, and I like those a lot.
These should be even better if they put it together with the higher models like the Flextones.
Re: Line 6 Spider VALVE
I've really got to wonder how it would sound at lower volumes though. I think the smallest one is still 40 watts.
To me, the real draw of any modeler type amp is that you can get good tones playing late at night when the wife and kids are sleeping, or for recording, etc.
If you've got to crank it to really get the tube saturation, then you might as well just use the real thing
I've really got to wonder how it would sound at lower volumes though. I think the smallest one is still 40 watts.
To me, the real draw of any modeler type amp is that you can get good tones playing late at night when the wife and kids are sleeping, or for recording, etc.
If you've got to crank it to really get the tube saturation, then you might as well just use the real thing
Empty Pockets
BadHairDayologist
Re: Line 6 Spider VALVE
I think this is the LEAST rock-n-roll thing I've ever read in my entire life. And I read the Bible TWICE. :biglaugh:
just kiddin, i know life can't always be about the ROCK!
All jokes aside, I'd be willin to bet the Spider Valve does a DECENT job at low volumes...the normal Spiders do okay for that purpose, and having all those tubes should only serve to warm up the tone....cranking it is just a bonus.
I think this is the LEAST rock-n-roll thing I've ever read in my entire life. And I read the Bible TWICE. :biglaugh:
just kiddin, i know life can't always be about the ROCK!
All jokes aside, I'd be willin to bet the Spider Valve does a DECENT job at low volumes...the normal Spiders do okay for that purpose, and having all those tubes should only serve to warm up the tone....cranking it is just a bonus.
beggar_guitar
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Re: Line 6 Spider VALVE
+1
I think once they see how well the Spider Valve does then you will be seeing this in the Flextones and Vettas. If that becomes the case I will seriously consider picking one up.
+1
I think once they see how well the Spider Valve does then you will be seeing this in the Flextones and Vettas. If that becomes the case I will seriously consider picking one up.
Empty Pockets
BadHairDayologist
Re: Line 6 Spider VALVE
The Line 6 doesn't just have one working valve. If I remember right it has 2 12AX7's and 2 6L6's. It's a whole tube amp with modeling technology as an added bonus.
The Line 6 doesn't just have one working valve. If I remember right it has 2 12AX7's and 2 6L6's. It's a whole tube amp with modeling technology as an added bonus.
JumpMarine
18 watts of Mayhemologist
Re: Line 6 Spider VALVE
It's more along the lines of the H&K Switchblade than the Valvetronix in that it is a full tube powered(6l6)/tube(12ax7) and digital preamp.
It's more along the lines of the H&K Switchblade than the Valvetronix in that it is a full tube powered(6l6)/tube(12ax7) and digital preamp.
Binnerscot
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Re: Line 6 Spider VALVE
Bogner had his name associated with some other products back in the late 80s/early 90s, like Hafler and some other items I can't remember off the top off my head. It wasn't bad, but nothing like the Ectasy , Shiva, or Uberschall.
Bogner had his name associated with some other products back in the late 80s/early 90s, like Hafler and some other items I can't remember off the top off my head. It wasn't bad, but nothing like the Ectasy , Shiva, or Uberschall.
Vasshu the humanoid typhoon
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Re: Line 6 Spider VALVE
Bah Line6.....
Bah Line6.....
lex666
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Re: Line 6 Spider VALVE
Is there a way to bypass the models and just get some natural tube distortion? I somehow fail to see the benefit of a tube amp using models as the disortion. I mean, if the models don't sound very good to begin with, how will the addition of tubes help?
What I'd like to see is Line 6 make a non-modeling tube amp and use some natural distortion...
Is there a way to bypass the models and just get some natural tube distortion? I somehow fail to see the benefit of a tube amp using models as the disortion. I mean, if the models don't sound very good to begin with, how will the addition of tubes help?
What I'd like to see is Line 6 make a non-modeling tube amp and use some natural distortion...
ratherdashing
Kablamminator
Re: Line 6 Spider VALVE
The Spider Valve has a real all tube power section using a pair of 6L6s. The preamp is software-based.
I think this is a good combo, because the one thing modelers usually fail at is duplicating the complexity and response of a tube power amp. Preamps and effects are quite easily duplicated using software.
Smartest post in the thread.
Your assumption that the models don't sound good to begin with is ... an assumption. If you actually read anything about the amp, you'd see that the models were designed to work with the tube power amp. They're not just plain ol' Line 6 models cut and paste into a new amp.
What would be the point of owning this amp if you want to bypass the models? If that's what you want, get an analog tube amp. If all you want is a cheap Bogner, you're probably going to be disappointed.
Line 6's entire business is based on software modelling technology. They will never build an amp as you described. What would be the point? Their competitors are already building tons of them.
The Spider Valve has a real all tube power section using a pair of 6L6s. The preamp is software-based.
I think this is a good combo, because the one thing modelers usually fail at is duplicating the complexity and response of a tube power amp. Preamps and effects are quite easily duplicated using software.
Smartest post in the thread.
Your assumption that the models don't sound good to begin with is ... an assumption. If you actually read anything about the amp, you'd see that the models were designed to work with the tube power amp. They're not just plain ol' Line 6 models cut and paste into a new amp.
What would be the point of owning this amp if you want to bypass the models? If that's what you want, get an analog tube amp. If all you want is a cheap Bogner, you're probably going to be disappointed.
Line 6's entire business is based on software modelling technology. They will never build an amp as you described. What would be the point? Their competitors are already building tons of them.
lex666
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Re: Line 6 Spider VALVE
Oh okay, that makes more sense. I agree with what your post.
I didn't assume the models won't sound good... I've tried SS Line 6 Spiders and never really cared for their amp models. They all sounded very artificial to me. But, if this new tube version utilizes a different type of amp models to better match with the tubes, then that changes everything. I'll have to give it a listen.
Thanks!
Oh okay, that makes more sense. I agree with what your post.
I didn't assume the models won't sound good... I've tried SS Line 6 Spiders and never really cared for their amp models. They all sounded very artificial to me. But, if this new tube version utilizes a different type of amp models to better match with the tubes, then that changes everything. I'll have to give it a listen.
Thanks!
ratherdashing
Kablamminator
Re: Line 6 Spider VALVE
FWIW, I think calling it a Spider Valve was a big mistake. It makes people wrongly assume that it's based on the current low-end Spider platform, which it is not. It's not even based on the high-end Pod/Vetta platform. It's something completely different. They should have given it a name to reflect that fact.
As it is now, a lot of guitarists are going to see the word "Spider" and think of a 14-year-old in his parents' basement cranking out "Smells Like Teen Spirit" using the Insane model. Again, I'll reserve full judgement until I can actually plug into the thing, but I'm pretty sure that's not what Line 6 is going for with this amp. It seems to be more of a semi-pro type of rig.
FWIW, I think calling it a Spider Valve was a big mistake. It makes people wrongly assume that it's based on the current low-end Spider platform, which it is not. It's not even based on the high-end Pod/Vetta platform. It's something completely different. They should have given it a name to reflect that fact.
As it is now, a lot of guitarists are going to see the word "Spider" and think of a 14-year-old in his parents' basement cranking out "Smells Like Teen Spirit" using the Insane model. Again, I'll reserve full judgement until I can actually plug into the thing, but I'm pretty sure that's not what Line 6 is going for with this amp. It seems to be more of a semi-pro type of rig.
lex666
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Re: Line 6 Spider VALVE
That was my mis-conception from the beggining.
...and to be honest, my opion of this amp is alreayd biased based on my previous experience with SS Line 6 Spiders.
...you're absolutely right. They should have given it its own name, and therefore its own persona.
That was my mis-conception from the beggining.
...and to be honest, my opion of this amp is alreayd biased based on my previous experience with SS Line 6 Spiders.
...you're absolutely right. They should have given it its own name, and therefore its own persona.
