Looking for a strat set . . .

GuitarStv

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Low output neck and middle with a bright scooped sound. Low-medium output bridge with a middier sound. They're going into a warm sounding ash body and quartersawn maple neck. Ideally, I'd like the pickups to not be staggered because I'll be using them with a 16" radius guitar, but I could probably deal with the stagger if I had to.

I really like the SSL-2/SSL-6 combo that I'm running in my main guitar right now, but those pickups are a little beefier than I think would be best for this ash guitar.



For the low output/bright stuff I've been thinking of:

- Fender custom '69
- SD's psychadelic strat pickpus
- Klein S5



For the bridge, thinking about a twangbanger or maybe something a touch hotter.



Suggestions?
 
Re: Looking for a strat set . . .

I'd go with Antiquitys. Surfers for the neck and middle and Texas Hot CUSTOM for the bridge.

But if I remember right, there's a trick to using them together.

Put the Surfer middle pickup in the neck position and the Surfer neck pickup in the middle position.

Then, I think, reverse the leads for the Texas Hot in the bridge...I think! Not sure because it's been 15 years since I installed my set.

If I'm remembering right, then everything will be in phase and you'll have humcancelling in the #2 and #4 positions of a 5 way switch.
 
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Re: Looking for a strat set . . .

I'd be curious about the Psychedelic set, too, as I've only tried them briefly, but they were excellent, especially if you use a late 60s signal chain...Plexi-type amp, and fuzz. Great pickups.
 
Re: Looking for a strat set . . .

I'd go with Antiquitys. Surfers for the neck and middle and Texas Hot for the bridge.

Because the Texas Hot is reverse wound/reverse polarity compared to the Surfers there's a trick to using them together.

Put the middle pickup in the neck and neck pickup in the middle.

Reverse the leads for the Texas Hot in the bridge...I think! Not sure because it's been 15 years since I used that set.

If I'm remembering right, then everything will be in phase and you'll have humcancelling in the #2 and #4 positions of a 5 way switch.


Are the surfers brighter than the SSL2s? I'm looking for something that's a touch less punchy in the mid-range and a bit brighter. The Texas Hot in the bridge is a good suggestion, I'll add that to the list . . .
 
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i dont find the surfers brighter than the ssl2, other way around but not by much. granted, its been years since ive heard them side by side. the cs 69 and psychedelic set are probably fairly similar since they are both going for that late 60s tone
 
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Anyone tried Fralin Real '54s? Are they in the same vein as the psychadelic / CS69s?
 
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I did try them way back when. Remember thinking of them sorta "steely" a bit sterile... I love a3's on tele bridges so I had high hopes. But was a disappointment for me.

Love Fralin's Vintage Hots tho... %5 underwound vintage hots are my fav. strat pickups.

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Re: Looking for a strat set . . .

CS69 is my choice too. Pair with a Texas Special in the Bridge.
 
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fralin makes great pups but i dont think he has a late 60's strat pup or grey bottom pup
 
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Hmm . . . anyone tried a David Allen '69 VooDoo set? I like that he alters the vintage stagger of the polepieces without getting rid of it entirely and going flat.
 
Re: Looking for a strat set . . .

Hmm . . . anyone tried a David Allen '69 VooDoo set? I like that he alters the vintage stagger of the polepieces without getting rid of it entirely and going flat.
I’ve never played David Allen pickups but the specs are correct.
 
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SSL-2 is brighter than the Surfers, but I love the Surfer's brand of bright more.
 
Re: Looking for a strat set . . .

SSL-2 is brighter than the Surfers, but I love the Surfer's brand of bright more.

Me too. Both are Alnico 5. So is the SSL-1. And so are the Fralin Vintage Hots. I like ALL of those.

But for the neck and middle I like the Antiquity Surfers better than anything I've owned.

For the bridge, especially if you want more mids, I'd go with the other Antiquity. The Texas Hot Custom Bridge model.

It's A2 and wound a little hotter than a stock vintage Strat pickup for a little more punch.
 
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I have the Psychedelic set and it is unreal. I will say, the bridge position might be my favorite, so my advice is forget about the mid-heavy bridge and just get the Psychedelic set or a set of 69s. That scooped, low wind bridge isn’t going to get Tele or LP tones. But it sounds exactly like a Strat bridge should.
 
Re: Looking for a strat set . . .

Maybe send an email to Rose pickups? I custom ordered a set of Robusta/Robusta/Buff Beauty for $85, non-staggered 9.5" radius. They are a bit brighter and opened to STK-S4 I had in that guitar. The bridge is more meaty than a regular strat bridge pickups.
 
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I've sent a couple emails to David Allen, and think that I may go with his Echoes set. Neck and mid are a little underwound compared to an SSL-1 and the bridge is tapped in a spot that's slightly hotter than the tap for the SSL-5.
 
Re: Looking for a strat set . . .

I have the Psychedelic set and it is unreal. I will say, the bridge position might be my favorite, so my advice is forget about the mid-heavy bridge and just get the Psychedelic set or a set of 69s. That scooped, low wind bridge isn’t going to get Tele or LP tones. But it sounds exactly like a Strat bridge should.

I've heard of many fans of late 60s pickups digging the Psychedelic Set, from people alive at the time that were using late 60s Fender guitars. I might not know enough about what makes that era so different, but a great sound is a great sound.
 
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i think it was around '65 when strat pups changed. narrower a5 rods, machine wound with #42 pe and around 7600 turns rather than hand wound with #42 formvar and 8000-8300 turns on slightly larger rods. when the pups were hand guided, the turn counts were all over the place but became pretty consistent once machine wound over all. though i believe cbs did change the target turn count over the years
 
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Not sure if you have already gotten a set yet or not, but I will fill you in on my recent adventures. I bought a set of SSL-1's about a year ago. To me, these are the closest to a real strat sound I have ever gotten. Bright, spanky, bit twangy even and they had the nasally quack in the #2 & #4 positions. My only gripe was that the bridge was a little weak and thin compared to the other two pickups. I purchased a steel backing plate and that actually helped add some girth and mute the high end a touch. Just enough that it would at least play well with the other pickups now. Overall, the SSL-1's are my favorite set of strat pickups I have ever played through. They have the bite, the quack, the spank and with a little work can balance out well and just sing.

I wanted to get what I figured was an even more vintage sounding set and went with the ANT II's Surfer set. I was under the impression that they would be bright, well balanced, and Straty. To me, they are not..... They are kinda dark and the neck is VERY full and almost too boomy. They don't have that bite I had hoped for. Perhaps no-load tone pots and or 500k pots would get me there? I have considered using a capacitor in series with the neck pickup to reduce the low end a little which I think may also get it where I want it. That being said, the bridge balances perfectly and the middle is probably the best sounding middle pickup I have ever heard. Not too bright and not too dull. BUTTTT, the Bridge is too dark and overall the set is just a tad on the dark side. As a set though, they are very well balanced and sound like a set, the challenge for me is tuning them to get what I FEEL is right.

So, if you go with the SSL-1, I think it may behoove you to go with the SSL-5, Five-Two, or the Twang-Banger bridge though if you want a more balanced volume and sound. I essentially have a Twang-Banger now sans the extra output. The SSL-5 seems to be the favorite ( essentially the David Gilmour option ) and I think the Five-Two might just be the in-between of all the options. Not having used either of those I can't say 100% though. I know that the SSL-1 in the bridge is just a bit weak, and a bit too bright and thin. But it has that spank, twang and bite that you want in a Strat pickup.

If you go with the ANT Surfer II's, you will be happy with the overall balance and sound, but you may find it too dark if you want a bright set of pickups. I think the neck is a tad on the boomy side and the bridge a tad too dark, but with a small amount of tuning the set as a whole can be made to be the bee's knees. The middle pickup is where it's at though, it is simply the best sounding middle pickup I have ever heard. I think with the changes to the other pickups it will scale well with them and fit right in. If I had to desert island choose between the two, I would go with the SSL-1's. They are the most Straty sounding set I have come across. Not the best per see, but certainly has that sound.
 
Re: Looking for a strat set . . .

Some nice recommendations were already given above in my opinion.
For the neck and middle, you might want to try out some alnico 3 single coils, I first experienced alnico 3 single coils in the Classic Vibe '50s Strat (Tonerider Surfari pickups), and they were sursprisingly good!
 
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