Looking for that tone

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Hi,
I have a mid 90s G&L ASAT (tele body) with a maple neck and swamp ash body. It's been modified to fit 2 standard size humbuckers, but I'm having trouble getting the tone I'm looking for. Ideally, I would like a tone like Warren Haynes gets from his Gibsons, or as close to that singing sustain as I can get. I had my heart set on trying the pearly gates set, but when I use the pickup selector on this site, it comes up with the Seth Lover set, and the Antiquitys. is the selector on this site usually fairly accurate, or has anyone tried these pickups in an ash body tele ? The guitars always been a little too bright sounding to me, which is why I went to humbuckers in the first place. Thank you for any ideas
 
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Hopefully Boogie Bill will chime in.

He's a fan of G&Ls & Seths/Ants,but not sure if he's got 'em paired up.

& Welcome!!!
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old school 90's warren used a pearly gates bridge and a 496r in his lp. i use a pg set in my hamer monaco which is similar to a lp in many ways but a tad brighter than some gibson and it sounds great and does a great job of getting warrens old school mule tone. i have an ash tele with seth set and its sounds great but definitely has some teeth, especially on the bridge pup. an aph set might be a good choice for such a bright guitar if you are looking for warmer tones without going to higher output pups
 
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I would second the Seth Lover recommendation.

G&L uses a SL in its Bluesboy.

To my ear, the Antiquities are brighter and the Seth Lovers are fuller. Of course, this is just in the guitar I tried them in. (Ash body Squier Pro Tone Fat Tele)

I have a set of PG, but liked the SL so much I wasn't interested in trying them in that guitar.
 
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Pearly Gates will give you a pronounced midrange attack and a sort of understated bloom.

The Ants will give you a subdued attack and loads of bloom.

Seth Lover has more of an even balance between attack and bloom. The attack is more tuned to the lower midrange.

The highs of the Seth Lover and Antiquities are similar but the harmonic vs fundamental ratio is different.

The degaussed magnet of the Antiquities gives them more harmonic overtones vs the more bold fundamental of the Seth Lover.

The harmonic overtones of the Antiquities reminded me of the alnico chime of some of the best vintage speakers.

The Pearly Gates are the most aggressive sounding of the three, the Seth Lover are the boldest and the Antiquities the most interesting.
 
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^^^ This makes me want to order a set of Antiquities for my Tele' right now...... and I don't even own a Tele'.
 
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Ideally, I would like a tone like Warren Haynes gets from his Gibsons or as close to that singing sustain as I can get.

Ideally, you need to get a Gibson Les Paul, SG or ES-335. This is the easiest solution.
 
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Hi,
I have a mid 90s G&L ASAT (tele body) with a maple neck and swamp ash body. It's been modified to fit 2 standard size humbuckers, but I'm having trouble getting the tone I'm looking for. Ideally, I would like a tone like Warren Haynes gets from his Gibsons, or as close to that singing sustain as I can get. I had my heart set on trying the pearly gates set, but when I use the pickup selector on this site, it comes up with the Seth Lover set, and the Antiquitys. is the selector on this site usually fairly accurate, or has anyone tried these pickups in an ash body tele ? The guitars always been a little too bright sounding to me, which is why I went to humbuckers in the first place. Thank you for any ideas

Is that got the saddle lock bridge?

The ash body, longer scale length and maple neck basically make for a very bright guitar compared to a Les Paul style.

You'll probably have to use the tone knob to cut treble whichever pickup you choose.

The reason I talked up the Ants is that their subdued attack will jive nicely with your attack oriented guitar. You'll need to filter out a lot of chime with the Ants via the tone knob (depending on the strings you use) but the end result will be a balanced vintage tone with singing sustain.

The Pearly Gates set is an attack oriented pickup that might not jive well with your attack oriented guitar (as far as getting a Warren Haynes style tone). That's probably why the pickup selector steered you away from it.

But the attack all has to do with your attack. Billy Gibbons plays with a very light attack (and light gauge strings) and the Pearly Gates set is never too aggressive sounding when he lays into it.

I myself can really wallop the strings and I am a whole arm + body picker... on top of that, I angle my pick for an enhanced attack. I would sound like EVH with a Pearly Gates set in your ASAT... yet you might play a totally different way with a more relaxed feel... it's hard for me to know.

The Seth set is the middle road... and the middle road is usually the safest bet. I'm not exactly a middle of the road guy but wouldn't hesitate to put a set of Seths in your ASAT because they are a surefire bet. The Ants can be sort of an acquired taste. I personally love them and am crazy about ALL of the Antiquities over their non-aged counterparts: Surf, Texas, '60s Twang, '55 Tele, Humbuckers and JB. My strat has Ants... my tele has ants... and my Monaco Elite's Ants are staying put.
 
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i with ya as far as the antiquity love. i have humbuckers, firebird pups, mini humbuckers, jaguar pups, surfers, texas hots, tele bridge pup... might have more but thats what i can remember at the moment. not to derail the thread but tell me about the ants in your monaco elite if ya dont mind. i have a set of pearlys in mine and while i love it (and it does the warren haynes thing amazingly well) i could be talked into swapping in the ants.
 
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And, don't beat me please, what about a JB + Jazz neck? It's the famous jeff beck tele combo and it fits really well to my ears in a ash body tele. Th JB has this upper mid peak that sometimes reminds me of the broadcaster pickup chimes, it's not so loud in the end and it jumps out of the band mix really well. the jazz is a balanced complement.
 
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i with ya as far as the antiquity love. i have humbuckers, firebird pups, mini humbuckers, jaguar pups, surfers, texas hots, tele bridge pup... might have more but thats what i can remember at the moment. not to derail the thread but tell me about the ants in your monaco elite if ya dont mind. i have a set of pearlys in mine and while i love it (and it does the warren haynes thing amazingly well) i could be talked into swapping in the ants.

I did a lot of exhaustive tone clips and comparisons between the '59, Seth Lover and Pearly Gates set in my Studio Custom. After all of that, I put in the WLH set and did more clips and recording although I wasn't actually comparing anything at that time. I got a really good handle on how those sets were alike and how they were different in a controlled studio environment. When I bought my Monaco Elite it had a set of WCR Godwoods in it which were really cool but just didn't have any of the magic of the Pearly Gates or Seth Lover set. After they came out, in went the Antiquities.

Tonally the Monaco Elite is nearly indistinguishable from the Studio Custom. The Monaco Elite is a little more difficult to play because of the single cutaway but they are essentially the same. The MOnaco Elite actually had headstock binding and an inlayed MOP logo instead of the silkscreened logo that the Studio Custom has. I just wanted one of those later (2006) Hamers with all of the bling so it would look good on video... plus needed a single cutaway Les Paul style too.

I flat out got the Monaco Elite for the headstock binding and MOP logo... not because the single cutaway gave it more beef of whatever... it sounds identical to my Studio Custom.

So, the Antiquities sounded great, had a deceptive amount of power yet was low enough in output that it jived perfectly well with the AC30 I have been playing as far as dynamics went.

I put Nickel Silver Pyramid hand wrapped strings on it... and between the Celestion blues, those strings and the Antiquities extra harmonic content... I was in chime city for a pair of humbuckers.

Now when it came time to record... I found myself turning the tone knob down like halfway... 500k pots vs Gibson's 300k pots but still... I never turn the tone that far down and still have useable treble and a relatively flat EQ curve. With the Antiquities... there were highs to spare. I've never had a set of humbuckers work with the tone knob like the Antiquities,it was really interesting and unexpected. Even the neck pickup sounded great with the tone knob down... THAT was really surprising to me. I deliberately record my SD content with a tone that is a bit darker than I would have personally... it's better for business if I'm a tick too dark than if I'm too bright. I learned that with the '59 bridge demo... I had the tone all of the way up and just got ripped to shreds over that video with negative comments and thumbs down. So I learned to cut the 500k pots to more of where a 300k pot would sit treblewise. The Seth Lover video is tone all of the way up (the WLH set is the first video where me and SD really got down to brass tacks of how bright they want my vintage tone to be).

So that's all good and well but the unique tone of the Antiquities kept bugging me until it occurred to me that there was a huuuuge difference in attack vs bloom with the antiquities. I've been working on a sort of contemporary jazz tone for a while now and the bloom was amazing feeling and sounding throughout the recording of the demo... I just couldn't put my finger on what was so special until it hit me one day while I was listening back to the album I am working on (the songs are from the videos I have been doing for SD) in it's totality.

The attack seemed to be clipped in the neatest way possible and the notes seemed to well up a bit and expand after the initial clipped attack... it's akin to how the great vintage tube limiters created all of those beautiful guitar tones of the '60s and '70s. I felt like the Antiquities gave me instant '60s and '70s tone. You know how the Kemper KPA profiler profiles amps with the microphone and signal chain together as one? That's how I felt like with the Antiquities... they gave me immediate out-of-the-box perfect vintage tone. It was crazy. I play with an aggressive attack at times and I angle my pick for extra texture... sometimes that can lead to a hard edged tone... not with the antiquities. The antiquities clipped all of that hard edge off and gave me sumptuous sustain for a vintage output pickup.

Thats why I played almost the whole Paul Kossof/Free "All Right Now" tune towards the end. I turned the tone most of the way back up for when I play that funky "Love Rollercoaster" lick and the clean solid state sound samples near the end have the tone back up to around the 300k mark. I played the whole "Sunshine of Your Love" song but edited the heck out of it for time sake. I even fooled myself with the Cinnamon Girl riff... the Ants were instant retro '60s and '70s goodness unlike anything I've ever experienced. It's one thing for the tele and strat Antiquities to have lots of chime but the humbuckers too? Woah!!! I was and am still blown away.

Sorry the long read but I felt like I needed to go into detail a bit.
 
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thanks for that, i appreciate the time. seems like i might have a pup swap coming down the road
 
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Telecaster Fender Custom Shop twisted pair pickups and a SD pickup booster. I think if you have a Telecaster you shouldn't muck it up with humbuckers. If you're set on humbuckers put them in a Les paul or SG where they belong. I am just an old crumageon and a zealot when it comes to Telecasters.
Probably stepping on some pretty big toes with this post but hey, that's how I feel.
 
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I think if you have a Telecaster you shouldn't muck it up with humbuckers

I came to the opposite conclusion, at least for the bridge pickup: I've never ever liked the stock bridge pickup, the only one acceptable in mine was the SD Broadcaster, don't know what magnet is, but it's really the only one. Now it lies in a drawer anyway, I switched to an A4 full humbucker, not really the top, it's an asian where I swapped the magnet, still it's far better through my 12" Princeton RI.

(I suspect my problem with tele bridges pickup comes from the bridge itself)
 
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Lol, good idea, but right now I just want to get a better tone from my Tele. thanks though : )
 
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