Lost in pickup land....Help???

stratsi

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Ive currently got a project MIM strat that Im working on. So far, I have assembled new parts to overhaul the entire guitar. Ive got new pots, and new switch, new wires, new Callaham bridge and other cosmetic upgrades not worth mentioning here. Anyway, my last purchase before sending it to the shop is the pups.

Here is the delima; Im going for the Gilmour style (I know, so is everyone else), but I dont want to be "limited" so to say to just his "sound" (I know a lot of his sound has to do with style and effects). I want the option to be able to play Clapton among other classic rock legends. I know nothing about pickups apart from the fact that I do not want active (i.e. EMG). All I do know is that the stock pickups suck. I have been told to get everything from Fralins to Duncans, EMG's to Fender Custom Shop's. I was pretty set on the Seymour Duncans until recently.

When I called SD about what I wanted, the first guy told me that without a doubt to get an SSL-5 for the bridge, an Antiquities RW/RP Surfer for the middle and an Antiquities Texas for the neck. When I called back a couple of days ago, I was told that the Antiquities were for, get this, "someone from today trying to get the sound from back then. The SSL-1 would be for someone who is listening to an original recording and trying to get that sound now." Thats a quote. That left me even more confused.

Ive been to Gilmourish.com and spoken with Bjorn about the setup and he told me that David didnt start using the SSL-5 until "The Wall". Up until then, he used the DiMarzio FS-1 in the bridge. On top of that, I had considered the SSL-5/SSL-1 RW/RP/SSL-1 for the setup - but Bjorn said that the SSL-1 might be better for the bridge position. He also said to get the Fender CS69's for the neck and middle.

With all that in mind, I took a little trip back to the beginning and did some more research. NOBODY has anywhere near the setup anybody has advised me to get thus far that has posted any sound clips or videos for me to actually listen to to judge for myself. *dammit*

THEN I run across a fellow by the name of Curtis Novak. I have yet to give him a call, but plan on doing so very soon. Dont get me wrong, I love the sounds I have heard from SD's and I love their service, but I want to get what I want and dont want to do this 5 or 6 times to get it right. So, here I am lost as to what to do now. The bridge can be one of three things, the SSL-5, the SSL-1 or the DiMarzio FS-1. The middle can be any of these (all RW/RP); SSL-1, Antiquities Surfer, APS-1, Fender CS69. And finally the neck could be any of the following; SSL-1, APS-1, Fender CS69 or Antiquities Texas. Then we throw Mr Curtis Novak into the mix........where does that take me? :banghead:

Does anybody see my confusion? Im sorry that this post is long, and if youve made it this far, I thank you 1000 times over. Please, if you have any advice, Id love to hear it.....
 
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I dont know if it matters, but I forgot to mention that I opted to get the 7-way switching that Gilmour had on the black strat via a push/pull pot.
 
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Hey Stratsi, welcome to the forum!

Sorry for the confusion, it can be real hard to figure out that first set of pups, but it gets easier over time. Everything only gets worse when you talk to two different customer service guys.

Honestly the second guy was right on the money. The Antiquity is for an "old" sound and the SSL-1 is for a "new" sound. In other words an Ant is a pup that was made 50 years ago and has been used a lot, whereas a SSL-1 is like a pup brought forward 50 years in a time machine.

Now I will say that the SSL-5 (hot) would be a good choice. You get a heavier wind which translates to more mids and ultimately a more useful bridge pup. Consequently this is the route that David takes. The Surfer middle and Texas Hot neck is a strange pairing considering the bridge pup recommended by the first guy...in my opinion. The set David is using, and lots of guys including our own Geoff Wells, is the vintage neck, middle and Hot for the bridge.

The Fender CS69s use a different type of wire than the SSL-1 and are going to be like an un-aged cooler SD Surfer. The 69s sound great and are going to have a tone of high end and chime.

In my strat I have APS' in the neck and middle and a CS Alnico 2 based pup in the bridge (essentially an un-aged Texas Hot Custom). It has the capacity to be Gilmourish...but only with grit. That's because those alnico 2 magnet don't have the chime of Alnico 5 magnets. That's not as much of an issue in the bridge slot as the neck and middle because most people cut to those pups for the strat cluck and quack.

There are quite a few guys that go with a Surfer in the N and M position and then get an Antiquity Texas Hot Custom (the heavier wind) for the bridge. This combination gives you an (old sounding) very classic strat neck, neck/mid and mid and then a bit of a a kick in the mids for the mid/bridge and bridge position.There's a wiring trick to do too in that set up (flip the leads of the bridge pup) to cancel hum.

Hope that helped some.

Luke
 
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i dont agree that the '69 is "going to be like an un-aged cooler sd surfer" great pups but im not sure of that connection.

i wouldnt suggest a ssl1 in the bridge, most people want something with less top end, more mids, bottom and output.

the easy way to go, which will get you great results, is ssl1/ssl1/ssl5. classic strat tones from the neck, neck/middle, and middle positions with more heat in the bridge. the middle/bridge tone wont be exactly traditional, a little beefier, but still sounds great.

those pups will get you gilmore, clapton, basically anyone that played a strat as long as you have the chops.
 
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i dont agree that the '69 is "going to be like an un-aged cooler sd surfer" great pups but im not sure of that connection.

i wouldnt suggest a ssl1 in the bridge, most people want something with less top end, more mids, bottom and output.

the easy way to go, which will get you great results, is ssl1/ssl1/ssl5. classic strat tones from the neck, neck/middle, and middle positions with more heat in the bridge. the middle/bridge tone wont be exactly traditional, a little beefier, but still sounds great.

those pups will get you gilmore, clapton, basically anyone that played a strat as long as you have the chops.

+1 for the ssl5/ssl1/ssl1
 
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Wow. thanks to everyone who posted. This has been more helpful than anything else I have attempted to find on my own. I think I will take the advice and stick with the SSL5/SSL1/SSL1.

More replies and thoughts are welcome; nothing has been purchased yet ;)

Thanks for all the help everyone! You have no idea how much this helps me out!

-Matt
 
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If its not your only guitar,set it aside a few eeks and go to a few music shops and try differant guitars and find out what pickups you like.
Play through as close to your amp as you can,if not bringing your own amp to the shops w/ you.
I just recently stumbled onto the CS 69s and found that what I've been looking for has been low output vintage strat pups.
It can be a bastard choosing puckups,cause what you read from a manufacturers hype rarely for me translates into what I thought I'd hear.
If you have freinds who may have singl;e coils sitting around borrow them and try um.
 
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It can be a bastard choosing puckups,cause what you read from a manufacturers hype rarely for me translates into what I thought I'd hear.

man isn't that the case for every guitar related product;) seriously though, every speaker, pickup, guitar, amp, etc. description raves about how it's got bass, mids, and treble, with some random superlative in front of each.
 
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Any suggestions on where to get all of these in one place?

-How good is DarrenRiley.com?

thanks!
 
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man isn't that the case for every guitar related product;) seriously though, every speaker, pickup, guitar, amp, etc. description raves about how it's got bass, mids, and treble, with some random superlative in front of each.
The perfect blend of searing razor highs coupled w/ thunderous lowend and bleeding mids.Which makes for the searingly oozing overdriven tones and crystalline cleans tones w/ enough belltone to relictate the best vintage pups but w/enough output for razor like metal tones................HUH?????????????????????????????:spam:
So how does it sound???
 
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wymore guitars has some sort of SD Forum discount, IIRC. Also member Lewguitar's shop should be a good place.
 
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I know this is a way old thread and not sure if you're subscribed anymore....but if you are...what pups did you end up getting?

I stumbled upon your post as I'm currently at the same stage...replacing the stock pups in my '99 MIM and trying to capture Gilmour plus other classics (I might not be there myself but at least my strat will be capable).

Been on a ton of forums, reading a ton of posts, getting tons of advice. And though I feel like I'm no farther along than I was when I started this quest, at least now I have a better sense for who the pup players are and what's out there. I'm likely going down the DiMarzio route at the DiMarzio rep's very consistent suggestion (Chopper-b, area 67-m, virtual vintage heavy blues 2 -n) but like your experience, this process is overwhelming. :17:

My doubt stems from the fact that I have not found anybody anywhere with this combination!
 
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Here's my advice: Most of the guitar legends you are into had very little choice back in the 1970's. You had a few offerings from DiMarzio and some from Duncan and maybe a few cats who could wind pickups and Fender. That's it. Now, every dude and their dog is winding "OMFG TEH BEST VINTAGE EVAH!" pickups and this is the source of your confusion.. TOO MANY choices.

Frankly, you could probably stick anything in there and be happy, if you have a great amp and good pedals and chops. No matter what you choose, you'll probably swap pups again anyway. I personally am no fan of "normal" Strat bridge pickups, so I'd put a rail in there. But if you must have a single-coil, I highly recommend something Alnico II and over 8K. As far as neck and middle go, I'd say put a bunch of model names on a dart board and pick them that way. You'll be happy, whether you go with SD, Dimarzio, Fralin or whomever.
 
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IMHO the difference between SSL1, APS1, Ant 1 and Ant 2 for Strat is such that the guitar decides, not the player. I have different Strat alikes that just need one or the other. Having said that, the Texas in Alder is probably too soft to go Gilmour.

Whether you get his singing sound or not depends IMHO mainly on whether the neck of your Strat is any good. If you have a heavy truss rod or the like you are doomed. Hardware also plays a big role.
 
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