blake da teleman
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im looking into getting a fender hot rod deville 410 which is 60 watt all tube. i need to know if this amp is loud enough for giging at medium to lage shows
loudness of tube compared to solid?
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Re: loudness of tube compared to solid?
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drew_half_empty
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Re: loudness of tube compared to solid?
not necessarily
fenders are pretty much the loudest amps out there, a 50 watt fender is WAY louder than a 50 watt marshall
my old band, the rythm had a avt150, lead had a stage 100 (i know, i know, both suck) and the lead could drown him out EASILY
not necessarily
fenders are pretty much the loudest amps out there, a 50 watt fender is WAY louder than a 50 watt marshall
my old band, the rythm had a avt150, lead had a stage 100 (i know, i know, both suck) and the lead could drown him out EASILY
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Lewguitar
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I was thinking the same thing.
And I'll tell you something else: a nice, well tuned Vox AC-30 is the loudest 30 watts I have ever heard!
Lew
flank said:
I was thinking the same thing.
And I'll tell you something else: a nice, well tuned Vox AC-30 is the loudest 30 watts I have ever heard!
Lew
flank
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Re: loudness of tube compared to solid?
thing is, lookin around the internet, and people saying how some amps are way louder than others....... its not THAT much of a difference really, usually its more so one amp sounds BIGGER than another amp, it just has more of each frequency, but its not like TWICE the loudness as some people state
i mean, my buddy has a 50 watt tube 2x12 vs. my hiwatt 100 watt 4x12...... the hiwatt has just a bigger sound, but its not like its really twice as loud, the volume is nearly the same
thing is, lookin around the internet, and people saying how some amps are way louder than others....... its not THAT much of a difference really, usually its more so one amp sounds BIGGER than another amp, it just has more of each frequency, but its not like TWICE the loudness as some people state
i mean, my buddy has a 50 watt tube 2x12 vs. my hiwatt 100 watt 4x12...... the hiwatt has just a bigger sound, but its not like its really twice as loud, the volume is nearly the same
the guy who invented fire
Fuzzy. Guitars
Re: loudness of tube compared to solid?
in the last group i was in thet played more that just a handfull of gigs I played through my 69 Twin Reverb (which is ALWAYS in top running order) and the other guitar player played through an AC-30...that thing is loud as hell...at times I was running a Twin pretty hard to keep up!
Also keep this in mind...a 50 watt Marshall is only about 37 watts and a 100 watt is around 70 watts! when you get into HiWatts or even raynors a 50 watt is 50 watts! and a 100 watt is...yes 100 watts!
this is just a reminder...YOU CAN NOT HEAR A WATT!!!
Lewguitar said:
in the last group i was in thet played more that just a handfull of gigs I played through my 69 Twin Reverb (which is ALWAYS in top running order) and the other guitar player played through an AC-30...that thing is loud as hell...at times I was running a Twin pretty hard to keep up!
Also keep this in mind...a 50 watt Marshall is only about 37 watts and a 100 watt is around 70 watts! when you get into HiWatts or even raynors a 50 watt is 50 watts! and a 100 watt is...yes 100 watts!
this is just a reminder...YOU CAN NOT HEAR A WATT!!!
Brian110687
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Re: loudness of tube compared to solid?
The AVT is not an all tube amp though.
drew_half_empty said:
The AVT is not an all tube amp though.
drew_half_empty
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Re: loudness of tube compared to solid?
i know, both are basically solid state, i was just using them as an example of how new fenders tend to have more presence than new marshalls
i know, both are basically solid state, i was just using them as an example of how new fenders tend to have more presence than new marshalls
the guy who invented fire
Fuzzy. Guitars
Re: loudness of tube compared to solid?
what...
drew_half_empty said:
what...
Re: loudness of tube compared to solid?
drew, we're talking about tube amps and perceived volume per watt compared to solid state watts and associated perceived volume. At least that's the way I'm reading the original thread.
There is definitely a logrithmic curve happening. As you go from 50 to 100 tube watts you just really dont' get *that* much more volume. Maybe a tad more clean headroom. The number of speakers also has a lot to do with it as well.
My Bad Cat has a 1/2 power switch on the back to go from 4xEL84 @ 30 watts to 2xEL84 @ 15 watts. It's funny, but it's not that much less in volume. It's noticeable for sure, but it's more of a headroom issue. The 2xEL84 just goes into saturation a bit sooner.
drew, we're talking about tube amps and perceived volume per watt compared to solid state watts and associated perceived volume. At least that's the way I'm reading the original thread.
There is definitely a logrithmic curve happening. As you go from 50 to 100 tube watts you just really dont' get *that* much more volume. Maybe a tad more clean headroom. The number of speakers also has a lot to do with it as well.
My Bad Cat has a 1/2 power switch on the back to go from 4xEL84 @ 30 watts to 2xEL84 @ 15 watts. It's funny, but it's not that much less in volume. It's noticeable for sure, but it's more of a headroom issue. The 2xEL84 just goes into saturation a bit sooner.
matt99camero
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The other night I played in an 800 seat auditorium and was very suprised that I only had to set my HR Deluxe on a 3 for volume. My roomate has a Blues Deluxe and he was bragging about how much he could overpower my meer 40 watts. So we did a little test, while practicing in the auditorium, without looking we matched volume, starting out on a 1 and going louder from there, then we would look to see what number we were on. My deluxe was on the same number as his everytime we looked all the way up to a 7. The tones were definately different but volume wise mine matched his dang close.
The other night I played in an 800 seat auditorium and was very suprised that I only had to set my HR Deluxe on a 3 for volume. My roomate has a Blues Deluxe and he was bragging about how much he could overpower my meer 40 watts. So we did a little test, while practicing in the auditorium, without looking we matched volume, starting out on a 1 and going louder from there, then we would look to see what number we were on. My deluxe was on the same number as his everytime we looked all the way up to a 7. The tones were definately different but volume wise mine matched his dang close.
FireBros.
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Re: loudness of tube compared to solid?
I use my Mesa Blue Angel 4x10, set at 33 watts, with the volume at about 3 or so ( no numbers on the knobs). The other guitar player, I play with uses either a 60 watt Line 6, on a 60 watt Fender solid state amp. He's always complaining about his amps not being loud enough, next to mine. In fact It's pretty much the same story even when I use my, 15-20 watt, Subway Blues 1x10. We are even playing on a very tight stage, right next to the drums. I always have more than enough power, and I like it pretty loud.
That being said, if you're going for a really tight low end. Like for new school metal. It does help to have a bigger amp, and even more so, a closed back cab.
blake da teleman said:
I use my Mesa Blue Angel 4x10, set at 33 watts, with the volume at about 3 or so ( no numbers on the knobs). The other guitar player, I play with uses either a 60 watt Line 6, on a 60 watt Fender solid state amp. He's always complaining about his amps not being loud enough, next to mine. In fact It's pretty much the same story even when I use my, 15-20 watt, Subway Blues 1x10. We are even playing on a very tight stage, right next to the drums. I always have more than enough power, and I like it pretty loud.
That being said, if you're going for a really tight low end. Like for new school metal. It does help to have a bigger amp, and even more so, a closed back cab.
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MrHeavyMetal
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Re: loudness of tube compared to solid?
yeah, 60 watts will get plenty loud.
You should think of your guitars, amps, cabs and effects as one big tonal generator --- which of course they are. It's not only about volume even though that affects speaker tone also. It's about getting the TONE you want at the volumes you need. yeah, my 100 watt Plexi is one LOUD 911-call-inducing sob but I bought it because 4 output tubes gives a more aggresive tone when cranked. My ss Marshall rig has good cleans or brutal metal tones - do I have to crank that to 240 watts ? no. And that's plenty loud at low settings. I usually don't have to go over 20-30 watts before the police show up...
blake da teleman said:
yeah, 60 watts will get plenty loud.
You should think of your guitars, amps, cabs and effects as one big tonal generator --- which of course they are. It's not only about volume even though that affects speaker tone also. It's about getting the TONE you want at the volumes you need. yeah, my 100 watt Plexi is one LOUD 911-call-inducing sob but I bought it because 4 output tubes gives a more aggresive tone when cranked. My ss Marshall rig has good cleans or brutal metal tones - do I have to crank that to 240 watts ? no. And that's plenty loud at low settings. I usually don't have to go over 20-30 watts before the police show up...
FretFire
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Re: loudness of tube compared to solid?
A watt is a watt is a watt. A 100 watt tube amp isn't "louder" than a 100 watt SS amp. A lot of the perceived volume differences can probably be attributed the the harmonic content of what you're hearing, and the efficiency of the electrical components the amp is built out of. If one 100 watt amp isn't getting as much signal to the speakers as the next, it won't seem as loud. As far as 50 watt volume vs. 100 watt volume, the human ear detects a change in volume every what... 3 decibels? I don't think 50 vs. 100 would be much more than that really, mostly more headroom.
I read a great answer to "how loud is a watt" one time. The guy said "think of 5 watts being similar to someone standing in your bedroom playing a trumpet" haha.
A watt is a watt is a watt. A 100 watt tube amp isn't "louder" than a 100 watt SS amp. A lot of the perceived volume differences can probably be attributed the the harmonic content of what you're hearing, and the efficiency of the electrical components the amp is built out of. If one 100 watt amp isn't getting as much signal to the speakers as the next, it won't seem as loud. As far as 50 watt volume vs. 100 watt volume, the human ear detects a change in volume every what... 3 decibels? I don't think 50 vs. 100 would be much more than that really, mostly more headroom.
I read a great answer to "how loud is a watt" one time. The guy said "think of 5 watts being similar to someone standing in your bedroom playing a trumpet" haha.
Maggot
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Re: loudness of tube compared to solid?
The wattage of an amp refers to wattage before distortion. A solid state amp sounds like ass when the power section starts to distort, and isn't designed to go there. A tube amp gives you all the wattage after distortion. That said, a Roland JC 120 is an extremely loud 120 watts.
But yeah, your 60 watts should do fine. I don't even run my PV Delta Blues (30 Watts) up more than half way ever, and everyone is yelling at me to turn it down.
The wattage of an amp refers to wattage before distortion. A solid state amp sounds like ass when the power section starts to distort, and isn't designed to go there. A tube amp gives you all the wattage after distortion. That said, a Roland JC 120 is an extremely loud 120 watts.
But yeah, your 60 watts should do fine. I don't even run my PV Delta Blues (30 Watts) up more than half way ever, and everyone is yelling at me to turn it down.
