Magnet swap or new hum ?

[N00se]

I have both a JB and a CC, JB installed, CC in the box.

The CC really sounded good but lacked some botom end.
The JB sounds good too, but has a bit of exessive hig end.

What effect would it have if I swapped the Alnico V from the JB with the Alnico II from the CC ?
The EQ for them are JB: 5-6-8 and the CC: 3-7-7
Would the magnet swap make it a 5-6-7 ?

I know the PATB-2 has this EQ curve, but it's hard to find one of those over here (Belgium).

Or can you recommend me other pickups that may be what I'm looking for ?

 

[yeti]

Re: Magnet swap or new hum ?

I imagine the JB might sound Pearly Gates-like after the switch. You would also have the leftovers to make a Custom 5 there, if you wanted to try that out. I say give it a shot, and if neither suits your tastes, get a variety pack of mags from Allstar Magnets (esp. the Alnico 8s) and experiment. Alot of people seem to like the Custom with an Alnico 8.
http://www.allstarmagnetics.com/magnets/specialty.asp

 

[STRATDELUXER97]

Re: Magnet swap or new hum ?

I have both a JB and a CC, JB installed, CC in the box.

The CC really sounded good but lacked some botom end.
The JB sounds good too, but has a bit of exessive hig end.

What effect would it have if I swapped the Alnico V from the JB with the Alnico II from the CC ?
The EQ for them are JB: 5-6-8 and the CC: 3-7-7
Would the magnet swap make it a 5-6-7 ?

I know the PATB-2 has this EQ curve, but it's hard to find one of those over here (Belgium).

Or can you recommend me other pickups that may be what I'm looking for ?

Putting the A5 into your CC gives you a C5 which is a 59 on steroids...Tight solid bass,tight tone,present highs,and good note articulation,slightly less mid curve with more output compared to the 59B...You may love a C5?

Not real sure about a JB with an A2,but I'd think you'd raise the mids a bit,looser feel in the pickup,maybe even muddy and not real clear,less lows..The JB is not one of my favorite pickups and I never use it.I personally feel that a magnet swap to A2 in the JB would be the wrong way to go..

A stronger Alnico magnet gives you more output,tightness of tone,brighter,and an overall pickup that seems to be more up front...As you go from A5 compared to an A2,the A2 is softer,sweeter,and not as tight sounding...You almost need to experiment and see what you like?

I had a 59N A5 that was too boomy in my LP and the switch to A4 fixed it perfectly...I then opted for the even better Jazz/59N Hybrid and stayed with the A4 magnet...The A4 compared to the A5 gave the pickup less lowend boom and took just a slight bit of power or volume away...Kinda like an aged A5 magnet..Hope this helps?

 

[the guy who invented fire]

Re: Magnet swap or new hum ?

As John stated the A5 in the CC would make a C5, which you can read about on the Duncan site...it is a Standard production pickup as for the A2 in a JB do a search on the forum there are a few reviews on that pickup, as a few guys have them.

 

[STRATDELUXER97]

Re: Magnet swap or new hum ?

As John stated the A5 in the CC would make a C5, which you can read about on the Duncan site...it is a Standard production pickup as for the A2 in a JB do a search on the forum there are a few reviews on that pickup, as a few guys have them.

I hate the JB with a passion! What happens to a JB when you stick an A2 or an A3 in it? I'd think it would make the already obnoxious mids even worse and muddy up the tightness of this pickup?

 

[the guy who invented fire]

Re: Magnet swap or new hum ?

I didn't know you were a JB hater?!

I have not tried the JB with an A2 but there a few guys on the forum that have...it's often called a JB Proto or JB Prototype...

 

[STRATDELUXER97]

Re: Magnet swap or new hum ?

I didn't know you were a JB hater?!

I have not tried the JB with an A2 but there a few guys on the forum that have...it's often called a JB Proto or JB Prototype...

Ok hate is kinda strong....
I kinda greatly dislike the JB....Something with the mids gets on my nerves..:laugh2:

 

[the guy who invented fire]

Re: Magnet swap or new hum ?

I don't use a JB in anything myself, I tend to really prefer PAF style pups but listening to Seymour and Jeff make me want a Tele with a JB/Jazz set! I think that those tones are simply amazing

 

[STRATDELUXER97]

Re: Magnet swap or new hum ?

I don't use a JB in anything myself, I tend to really prefer PAF style pups but listening to Seymour and Jeff make me want a Tele with a JB/Jazz set! I think that those tones are simply amazing

Naaah......59B/Custom Hybrid and maybe a stock Jazz or 59N A4 for me...:chairfall

 

[the guy who invented fire]

Re: Magnet swap or new hum ?

To be 100% honest i prefer my Pearly Gates and my Antiquity's over just about any humbucker I've even played!

 

[STRATDELUXER97]

Re: Magnet swap or new hum ?

To be 100% honest i prefer my Pearly Gates and my Antiquity's over just about any humbucker I've even played!

Have you tryed the Hybrid yet? I'd have to say you haven't yet? I think I offered to send you a PGB/Custom 4 conductor,but you declined? :13: :usa1: :banana:

 

[the guy who invented fire]

Re: Magnet swap or new hum ?

You did, and I did. I just am really so happy with the PG's and the Antiquitys I see no need to keep looking...they both have mis matched coils in the ture PAF type way...I will agree that there is a "magic" to a mismatched coil bucker but both the Ants and the PG's have the mismatched coils (and the magic) so I leave well enough alone.

 

[Benjy_26]

Re: Magnet swap or new hum ?

The JB II isn't bad if you only play clean or leads. It's very smooth and creamy, but like John said, it does get a bit too loose for distorted rythms. Instead of getting "chunk", you get "flub".

I guess it might work in a very bright guitar, but, just like a regular JB, I would never put it in a Gibson style axe.

 

[STRATDELUXER97]

Re: Magnet swap or new hum ?

You did, and I did. I just am really so happy with the PG's and the Antiquitys I see no need to keep looking...they both have mis matched coils in the ture PAF type way...I will agree that there is a "magic" to a mismatched coil bucker but both the Ants and the PG's have the mismatched coils (and the magic) so I leave well enough alone.

That's nice and honest brother....I'm now feeling the same way now with my Love Rock...The Hybrids aren't for everyone,but they are great in this guitar....I'm keeping the Jazz/59 A4 in the neck and the 59B/Custom A2 is perfect in the bridge...Kinda a Seth meets the CC.....Just a great combination of things...

 

[the guy who invented fire]

Re: Magnet swap or new hum ?

The Hybrids seem like a cool idea but I would want to try something a bit closer in DC more like a real PAF...however, I do want to try some magnet swaps pretty soon...Dr. barlo swears by full strength A2, A3, A4 and A5 Antiquity's...I want to try at least the full strength A2 and maybe an A3...sounds like good stuff, however Im really too damn lazy to take the covers off my Ant's!:laugh2:

 

[STRATDELUXER97]

Re: Magnet swap or new hum ?

The Hybrids seem like a cool idea but I would want to try something a bit closer in DC more like a real PAF...however, I do want to try some magnet swaps pretty soon...Dr. barlo swears by full strength A2, A3, A4 and A5 Antiquity's...I want to try at least the full strength A2 and maybe an A3...sounds like good stuff, however Im really too damn lazy to take the covers off my Ant's!:laugh2:

I must state this again brother cause you seem to be down about the dc resistance readings....These readings don't effect the overall greatness of the pickup...I always state note articulation in every case regarding the pickups I use and my overall tone...Trust me when I tell you that I wouldn't use these pickups if they didn't deliver the goods for my picky tastes! The dc resistance doesn't tell anything about the pickup in this case...

I agree with you that if it isn't broke,don't fix it....Heck I was an auto mechanic for several years and used to say this all the time!

Basically it's the Custom's coil matched with the lower output coils of the PGB/Seth or 59Bs coil that I Love...Around 7k for the custom and 4k for the PG,Seth,or 59....The PGB stock isn't as mis-matched really...I Like the PGB pickup alot also but it's not as beefy as the Hybrid in my guitar,and I didn't care for the stock CC in that it didn't articulate well and it was a bit too dark.....I feel the Hybrid(for me)gives me the best of what I Like about a 59,Seth,PG and the CC pickup all in one package...

 

[yeti]

Re: Magnet swap or new hum ?

Heh, I was making a rough(and incorrect) guess on the tone of a JB2. I would definitely go with John's input, he know's what he's talking about .:bowdown:
Bad Yeti, back to Duncan Special Ed!:dunce:

 

[STRATDELUXER97]

Re: Magnet swap or new hum ?

Heh, was making a rough(and incorrect) guess on the tone of a JB2. I would definitely go with John's input, he know's what he's talking about .

Mostly just from experience....I normally try not to give out bad or wrong info....Normally! :laugh2:

 

[the guy who invented fire]

Re: Magnet swap or new hum ?

It's not really about the DC really just that no PAF had a mismatch with that wide of a gap and did not use 43 guage wire (like the Custom(s) do). I have a CC in one guitar mated with an Alnico II Pro and while it's ok I still prefer the PAF style pickups.

 

[STRATDELUXER97]

Re: Magnet swap or new hum ?

It's not really about the DC really just that no PAF had a mismatch with that wide of a gap and did not use 43 guage wire (like the Custom(s) do). I have a CC in one guitar mated with an Alnico II Pro and while it's ok I still prefer the PAF style pickups.

That's cool brother,but you actually aren't in a position to know anything about this pickup until you've tryed it,but the fact that you like what you have is cool and it's a no brainer from there....You're "assuming" and you really don't know brother!

You know me well enough and I'm sure you trust my ears and experiences with things(Guess I feel like you're doubting me)....The Hybrid stuff is really great...I could buy and use anything out there but these pickups really are that good...I Love em,but YMMV as always? Someday just try one and then you won't have to "assume"..... ;o)