Making my Les Paul Sound Better

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I'm a Hamer fan. And at one time I owned two Hamer Monoco Super Pros. They came with a Custom in the neck and Custom Custom in the bridge. Loved the guitars but hated that pickup configuration.

Hated the Custom in the neck. Changed it to a Seth Lover in one and an Antiquity in the other.

Much better.

I hadn't discovered the Pearly Gates neck yet.

That would have been even better.

Whaaat? A stock Custom in the neck paired with a CC bridge?
What was Jol thinking?? I'm an ignorant hack next to him and half the people here but seriously, what was he trying to do with that pairing...? Do you know that, Lew?

It sounds really weird on paper.
 
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Whaaat? A stock Custom in the neck paired with a CC bridge?
What was Jol thinking?? I'm an ignorant hack next to him and half the people here but seriously, what was he trying to do with that pairing...? Do you know that, Lew?

It sounds really weird on paper.

I've wondered the same thing for years!
 
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It makes us 'wrong' to disagree with you, or is this simply a matter of taste?

It's always a matter of taste but I do believe some things just taste bad...

I wasn't singling you out so don't take it personally and keep in mind...you spout off all the time about thin and wimpy sounding Fender guitars or PAF pickups or whatever you getting down on at any given time...

I just personally believe there are a lot of guitar players on this forum that dial out as much top end as possible because frankly they are marginal at best players and lots of distortion and or a lack of high end makes that less noticeable...
 
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i would take the pickups and harness out, put the stock stuff back in, sell it, and look for a gibson studio or similar.
the kind of detail you want may not be obtainable from a guitar that's made of poly and mystery wood.
 
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i would take the pickups and harness out, put the stock stuff back in, sell it, and look for a gibson studio or similar.
the kind of detail you want may not be obtainable from a guitar that's made of poly and mystery wood.

...Waits for blueman335 to jump in and defend Epiphone guitars to the bitter end...
 
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i like blueman.
he's consistent, i respect that
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plus, i have oft been accused of sounding like one of the old dudes from the muppets, and strongly feel that they're being completely taken out of context and misrepresented.

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they're clients of mine.
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I'll just throw my 2-cents worth in and say that I recently acquired an EPI LP Custom, and a Blues Saraceno parallel axis trembucker in the bridge made it one of my favorite axes.

Maybe that was 3-cents worth. ;)
 
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It's always a matter of taste but I do believe some things just taste bad...

I wasn't singling you out so don't take it personally and keep in mind...you spout off all the time about thin and wimpy sounding Fender guitars or PAF pickups or whatever you getting down on at any given time...

I just personally believe there are a lot of guitar players on this forum that dial out as much top end as possible because frankly they are marginal at best players and lots of distortion and or a lack of high end makes that less noticeable...

My best friend is one of those guys. (Thank goodness he doesn't read the forum!) He lacks confidence in his playing so he dials in a muffled tone with very little treble. I also know guys who play with their thumb for much the same reason. (Not Wes Montgomery I'm thinking of, BTW.)

Me? I've always been a show off and wanted everyone to hear what I was doing.

Whaaat? A stock Custom in the neck paired with a CC bridge?
What was Jol thinking?? I'm an ignorant hack next to him and half the people here but seriously, what was he trying to do with that pairing...? Do you know that, Lew?

It sounds really weird on paper.

Some guys actually liked it. I think I remember Jeremy saying something about "so and so" getting a great tone playing that same guitar with that combo.

That combo didn't make any sense to me though and the Custom as a neck pickup didn't sound good to me, although the Custom Custom was a pretty cool bridge pickup in that guitar. Sounded even better paired with a Seth neck or an Antiquity neck though...at least to me.

Don't know what Jol was thinking of. Someday I'll ask him.

Jol's on Facebook, BTW. He's always posting pictures of some gorgeous guitar he's building or has just built, usually with odd pickups like Charlie Christians or something. Ever see the Crow?

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i would take the pickups and harness out, put the stock stuff back in, sell it, and look for a gibson studio or similar.
the kind of detail you want may not be obtainable from a guitar that's made of poly and mystery wood.

Touche. Truth is the guitar sounds good with these pickups, I'm just trying for a specific sound. The reason I bought the Epi in the first place is I'm not the biggest LP fan. Great guitars, but not my every-day style. So I didn't wanna pay Gibson prices. Now, if I were buying an Explorer...:D Besides, this particular Epi actually plays really well. If it didn't, I'd take your advice, but tone-wise, I have this "almost there, so close" thing going on in my head. Just a tweak, tweak here and a tweak, tweak there.

To respond to some other stuff I'm reading, I definitely want clarity and top end. That's why when I first plugged in after swapping in the 300k volume pots I was not pleased. I wanted warmer and got muddier. So, like I stated earlier, next time I get a chance, I'm putting the 500k pots back in and I'm gonna try what Blueman suggested by messing with pickup height and pole piece adjustments. I recall reading a previous post where someone said they weren't happy with a pickup until they f-ed around with the adjustments. Once they found the sweet spot, they had a killer tone. I figure that it's an easy and cheap place to start. Worst case scenario, I'd pull 'em, sell 'em here or on ebay, then try some new ones. This was a guitar I bought with the intention of being a project, so I don't mind messing with it and taking my time to dial in what sound I want. Part of the fun, right?

In truth, the tone is good and very solid. I'm just being a picky S-O-B :cool2:
 
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It's always a matter of taste but I do believe some things just taste bad...

I wasn't singling you out so don't take it personally and keep in mind...you spout off all the time about thin and wimpy sounding Fender guitars or PAF pickups or whatever you getting down on at any given time...

I just personally believe there are a lot of guitar players on this forum that dial out as much top end as possible because frankly they are marginal at best players and lots of distortion and or a lack of high end makes that less noticeable...

I make fun of Fenders on occasion for a few reasons:
- Most players I see in the blues world play Strats on the west coast of Florida (local and travelling bands), and a good percentage don't know how to EQ them so they're not piercing and schreechy. I don't see them as the ideal blues guitar, to me that would be more like a 335. I want members here (and there's always new guys joining here every day) to know that there are other options in guitars and tones. I don't care what they end up doing, I just want them to see some alternatives before they choose one. One should do that before making any important decision.

- When I do joke around about Fenders, I almost always point out that some of my favorite guitarists play(ed) Strats, and these guys got very nice, full tones from them (Hendrix, Blackmore, Healey, Trower, etc). And as I often say, it's really the players not the guitars that are to blame. It's just that Strats, and to a lesser extent Tele's, are bright instruments that take a little time and skill to get great tones from. It usually doesn't happen automatically. It obviously can be done, as there's certainly good examples of it.

- Being raised to be a non-conformist, when I see so many guys buy Strats and then not get very good sounds from them (by any standards), I have to wonder how much thought was put into the purchase decision. I know there's Fender lovers that make well-thought out purchases; that, I respect. It's the guys that almost feel they have to get a Strat, like it's an obligation; the ones that haven't figured out the tone thing tend to come from this group. 'Dude, you gotta get a Strat.' To me it's the lemming effect.

- I've heard many songs, at gigs and CD's, ruined by schreechy, shrill guitar solos. The instrument responsible more than all the others put togther has been Strats. But again, it's the hand not the tool. I've said to myself many times 'If that guy would have done that on a Gibson, it would have sounded sooo much better.'

- I agree, the more treble you have, the better player you have to be to sound good. But there are other reasons to like warm tones besides hiding mistakes. Some of us simply do not like an abundance of treble. I find bright tones and bright lights both to be harsh. Considering how many guys own Strats, and that the average guitar player in general is, well average, some would be best served with a different instrument.

- I am certainly one of the best-known comedians here, just as I always am the office comedian where I work. I like to have fun. When I get together with my guitar friends, they joke about my 'cheap' Epi's, and I joke about their 'tinny' Fenders. We all laugh. No one ever gets their feeling hurt. Somehow here, getting behind a keyboard seems to reduce some guy's sense of humor. Hey, not like anything we talk about is life and death. Things that people would never get offended at in person, they get worked up over when it's typed out. What's up with that? So what if someone has a different opinion than you? Does that make them a tone-deaf idiot? Who's so insecure that they can't handle differing opinbions? I'm a life-long athiest (raised that way) and some of my best friends, and even my wife, are very religious. We all get along fine. We respect each other's right to their own views. Since when do we know what's best for someone else? We need to see more of that respect and tolerence here. Hey, make fun of import guitars, warm tones, blues, whatever (many of you already do), but show your maturity when someone does it to things you like. The world's full of ideas and opinions, and there's room for all of them.
 
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I test pickups through a harness that has a Tele style three-way switch, between a 250/250/47 and a 500/500/22 setup, and one where I have more things to pick from (load capacity, LCR network etc, switch between different vol pot values and use one of 4 or 5 capacitors for the tone pot). When doing a test 1:1 like this you will notice a real difference when switching all parameters at once, but just switching one of the pots or the capacitor is not that obvious.

If your only test is to solder up a new pickupguard and then play it's no wonder the mind is playing tricks.
 
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I had the CC and SH5 combo in my monaco elite. I have to wonder what Jol was thinking there too. The CC was passable with gain, but cleans are garbage. The Custom in the neck surprisingly sounded great for a shredder high gain tone like a souped up full shred...but totally not my thing. Burstbucker 1/2 totally took that guitar to new sonic realm. Night and day improvement.
 
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