Making Neck HB's Brighter
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Frogman
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Re: Making Neck HB's Brighter
P90's in all my neck positions :headbang:
Single coil by the neck, bucker by the bridge - that's what you want but you don't want to admit it
P90's in all my neck positions :headbang:
blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: Making Neck HB's Brighter
Something else I do, HB bridge/P-90 neck, which is a great idea. I don't know why more guitars don't come like that from the factory.
Something else I do, HB bridge/P-90 neck, which is a great idea. I don't know why more guitars don't come like that from the factory.
CloneRanger
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Re: Making Neck HB's Brighter
Here's the hacked 'bucker that solves a couple of problems:
No mud with this one; its it's own kind of thing: not like a single, not like P-90, clearer, brighter, because taking out six pole-pieces lowers inductance a bit. And no hum.
Single coil by the neck, bucker by the bridge - that's what you want but you don't want to admit it
Here's the hacked 'bucker that solves a couple of problems:
No mud with this one; its it's own kind of thing: not like a single, not like P-90, clearer, brighter, because taking out six pole-pieces lowers inductance a bit. And no hum.
marcello252
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Re: Making Neck HB's Brighter
uh, CloneRanger, please tell me more about this mod, is there a thread about or is it an idea by you? I'm not able to find it
It seems like a Seth Lover telecaster deluxe pickup configuration but there he used magnet polepieces. GFS made something like this but the reviews are mixed.
uh, CloneRanger, please tell me more about this mod, is there a thread about or is it an idea by you? I'm not able to find it
It seems like a Seth Lover telecaster deluxe pickup configuration but there he used magnet polepieces. GFS made something like this but the reviews are mixed.
jake_xms3_punk
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Re: Making Neck HB's Brighter
Another thing that is sometimes overlooked is well matched pickups. if your bridge pickup is overly bright you tend to compensate on the amp by turning down the top end and thus making the neck pickup warmer. Sometimes it's easier to warm up the bridge pickup and add more Treble on the amp.
Another thing that is sometimes overlooked is well matched pickups. if your bridge pickup is overly bright you tend to compensate on the amp by turning down the top end and thus making the neck pickup warmer. Sometimes it's easier to warm up the bridge pickup and add more Treble on the amp.
CloneRanger
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Re: Making Neck HB's Brighter
You've got it right: It is a mod. But it's not aping the Fender "Wide Range", neither the old WR or the newer WR's. It's 6 polepieces, which the WR is not about, because the WR has the other 6 poles hidden under the cover. For a while, I thought maybe Fralin's P92 had the same concept, but it turns out that it uses short 3-pole bobbins to mimic the Fender XII pickups.
In bridge position it eliminates the "double tone" characteristic, which I'm not so hot for anymore...
You've got it right: It is a mod. But it's not aping the Fender "Wide Range", neither the old WR or the newer WR's. It's 6 polepieces, which the WR is not about, because the WR has the other 6 poles hidden under the cover. For a while, I thought maybe Fralin's P92 had the same concept, but it turns out that it uses short 3-pole bobbins to mimic the Fender XII pickups.
In bridge position it eliminates the "double tone" characteristic, which I'm not so hot for anymore...
xntrick
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Re: Making Neck HB's Brighter
I'm curious to try this with my Gibson Iommi pups. Are there any drawbacks to this method?
I'm curious to try this with my Gibson Iommi pups. Are there any drawbacks to this method?
blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: Making Neck HB's Brighter
No drawbacks. Only takes a few minutes to do. No parts to buy, and you can reverse it back to stock. Sometimes a neck HB is too dark or overpowering, and in coil cut it can lose too much muscle. Spin-a-split gives you all the middle ground to dial to your liking. What's not to like?
No drawbacks. Only takes a few minutes to do. No parts to buy, and you can reverse it back to stock. Sometimes a neck HB is too dark or overpowering, and in coil cut it can lose too much muscle. Spin-a-split gives you all the middle ground to dial to your liking. What's not to like?
Frogman
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Re: Making Neck HB's Brighter
I just installed an Invader and a Mean 90 in my buddy's Viper 1000.
2 volumes, 3-way, no tone.
Used a 500k for the Invader and a 1meg for the Mean 90.
Wow, it sounds so awesome! The 24 fret neck obviously attests to the tone as well, but that neck is so much brighter and clearer (but not in a bad treble way).
All the sweet midrange of the P90, but NO mud. And the cleans are super bell-like.
Try it guys!
I just installed an Invader and a Mean 90 in my buddy's Viper 1000.
2 volumes, 3-way, no tone.
Used a 500k for the Invader and a 1meg for the Mean 90.
Wow, it sounds so awesome! The 24 fret neck obviously attests to the tone as well, but that neck is so much brighter and clearer (but not in a bad treble way).
All the sweet midrange of the P90, but NO mud. And the cleans are super bell-like.
Try it guys!
ErikH
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Re: Making Neck HB's Brighter
See my post on the first page on the spin-a-split. For best performance, you'll want to do this.
https://forum.seymourduncan.com/sho...B-s-Brighter&p=3423058&viewfull=1#post3423058
See my post on the first page on the spin-a-split. For best performance, you'll want to do this.
https://forum.seymourduncan.com/sho...B-s-Brighter&p=3423058&viewfull=1#post3423058
Re: Making Neck HB's Brighter
I would also check to see what value pots you already have in your guitar. Production Gibsons these days usually have 300k linear volume pots. Just replacing that with a 500k pot will brighten whichever pickup you think is too dull. Many people don't realize that they don't have 500k pots all around, also with the mostly 20% tolerance of those stock pots, a 300k pot might really read as low as 240k. Replacing with a 500k pot that really is close to 500k will make a big difference.
Al
I would also check to see what value pots you already have in your guitar. Production Gibsons these days usually have 300k linear volume pots. Just replacing that with a 500k pot will brighten whichever pickup you think is too dull. Many people don't realize that they don't have 500k pots all around, also with the mostly 20% tolerance of those stock pots, a 300k pot might really read as low as 240k. Replacing with a 500k pot that really is close to 500k will make a big difference.
Al
blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: Making Neck HB's Brighter
There is no cheaper way than the spin-a-split itself. No parts needed and it only takes several minutes. By taking out the screw pole pieces of one coil you loose the flexibility of being able to dial how much of the second coil you want; you only have one tone option. Using a push-pull for coil cut is also limited, as you get all or nothing, and no in betweens. There are great tones available with unbalanced coils, and with these other two methods you can't get that.
There is no cheaper way than the spin-a-split itself. No parts needed and it only takes several minutes. By taking out the screw pole pieces of one coil you loose the flexibility of being able to dial how much of the second coil you want; you only have one tone option. Using a push-pull for coil cut is also limited, as you get all or nothing, and no in betweens. There are great tones available with unbalanced coils, and with these other two methods you can't get that.
CloneRanger
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Re: Making Neck HB's Brighter
That can be a good sound, in bridge pos. it can be a great sound; unfortunately, the dreaded hum is reintroduced...
That can be a good sound, in bridge pos. it can be a great sound; unfortunately, the dreaded hum is reintroduced...
uOpt
Something Cool
Re: Making Neck HB's Brighter
No hum. It's a blind coil setup (like a stack or a blind coil under the pickguard). It completely cancels hum just like a humbucker does.
The problems are: (1) no magnetic insulation between the coils like a stack has, so the remaining magnet injects it's field into the blind coil, but it has the wrong polarity, further weakening the sound and (2) like all blind coil setups you add all the resistance, capacitance and inductance of the coil but it contributes nothing to the output, so it can be hard to drive.
No hum. It's a blind coil setup (like a stack or a blind coil under the pickguard). It completely cancels hum just like a humbucker does.
The problems are: (1) no magnetic insulation between the coils like a stack has, so the remaining magnet injects it's field into the blind coil, but it has the wrong polarity, further weakening the sound and (2) like all blind coil setups you add all the resistance, capacitance and inductance of the coil but it contributes nothing to the output, so it can be hard to drive.
CloneRanger
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Re: Making Neck HB's Brighter
You're right, uOpt; it's not strictly what we usually term "hum". My lapse. It's more accurately a significant jump in noise in the 1-4k range. The "weakening of sound" however, doesn't correspond with my experience. Have you tried it for real...?
You're right, uOpt; it's not strictly what we usually term "hum". My lapse. It's more accurately a significant jump in noise in the 1-4k range. The "weakening of sound" however, doesn't correspond with my experience. Have you tried it for real...?
