Marshall 1w or ht metal 1c ?
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jmh151
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Re: Marshall 1w or ht metal 1c ?
The Marshall 1 watters were very limited edition and expensive for what they were, I don't think anyone on here has them
The Marshall 1 watters were very limited edition and expensive for what they were, I don't think anyone on here has them
stratguy23
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Re: Marshall 1w or ht metal 1c ?
I have a DSL1 combo, and it has hands down the best feature set of any practice amp I've ever seen - tube preamp and power sections, 2 channels footswitchable, effects loop, 1W switchable down to 0.1W. The clean channel is awesome - warm and musical. The drive channel is decent, but skews very modern Marshall (900, I'd say), and so is a bit sharp for me, even with treble at 0 and bass dimed.
Judging from market prices, the DSL1 seems to be the least well-regarded of the Marshall 1 watters, with JVM1 coming in second. So if I like the runt of the litter this much, I can't wait to try the others.
What the Marshall 1-watters offer is what a LOT of Marshall buyers want - cranked Marshall valve tones at bedroom level. ALL the 1-watters go down to 0.1W. This is crucial, since I've found that even 1W can be very loud if cranked. NMV Marshall tones cranked - and no modelers? Either you get an attenuator, or you get the 1 watters.
I love that the full history of Marshalls is represented in the 1 watt series, from JTM through JVM. If and when I have the scratch, I would gladly collect them all, and be willing to pay up to original new price. Expensive, yes, but exactly the right tools for the "cranked Marshall in bedroom" application. Being able to take a valve Marshall past noon at home is worth the price.
I have a DSL1 combo, and it has hands down the best feature set of any practice amp I've ever seen - tube preamp and power sections, 2 channels footswitchable, effects loop, 1W switchable down to 0.1W. The clean channel is awesome - warm and musical. The drive channel is decent, but skews very modern Marshall (900, I'd say), and so is a bit sharp for me, even with treble at 0 and bass dimed.
Judging from market prices, the DSL1 seems to be the least well-regarded of the Marshall 1 watters, with JVM1 coming in second. So if I like the runt of the litter this much, I can't wait to try the others.
What the Marshall 1-watters offer is what a LOT of Marshall buyers want - cranked Marshall valve tones at bedroom level. ALL the 1-watters go down to 0.1W. This is crucial, since I've found that even 1W can be very loud if cranked. NMV Marshall tones cranked - and no modelers? Either you get an attenuator, or you get the 1 watters.
I love that the full history of Marshalls is represented in the 1 watt series, from JTM through JVM. If and when I have the scratch, I would gladly collect them all, and be willing to pay up to original new price. Expensive, yes, but exactly the right tools for the "cranked Marshall in bedroom" application. Being able to take a valve Marshall past noon at home is worth the price.
stratguy23
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Re: Marshall 1w or ht metal 1c ?
Also for OP's purposes, I haven't played the Blackstar 1-watters, or any in the metal series, but I've played the regular HT 5, 20, and 40 watt versions. Since those have a pretty consistent character, I'd wager that the HT1MC is very modern in voicing.
It has reverb, which the Marshall 1-watters don't, but if you're looking at the JVM1 (the most "metal" of the Marshall 1-watters), that has an effects loop.
Price points are very different, so if you just need a metal practice amp, the HT1MC should do you fine (also look at the Randall RD1). If you want Marshall tones, then join the many folks snapping up used 1 watters on eBay and Reverb.
Also for OP's purposes, I haven't played the Blackstar 1-watters, or any in the metal series, but I've played the regular HT 5, 20, and 40 watt versions. Since those have a pretty consistent character, I'd wager that the HT1MC is very modern in voicing.
It has reverb, which the Marshall 1-watters don't, but if you're looking at the JVM1 (the most "metal" of the Marshall 1-watters), that has an effects loop.
Price points are very different, so if you just need a metal practice amp, the HT1MC should do you fine (also look at the Randall RD1). If you want Marshall tones, then join the many folks snapping up used 1 watters on eBay and Reverb.
Re: Marshall 1w or ht metal 1c ?
great !
i tried the ht 1 r (not metal) and the amp had a lot of gain= good
but this little speaker was not very good for the sound, yes like a box
and forget the beautiful clean tone : it can't be like that
a lot of people say that the dsl1 is the most versatile but in some videos, the jcm1 is really rock
so, if i find one, i will try one but it's really hard to choose because i like the blues and some hard rock like EVH
or this video can help me ?
i tried the ht 1 r (not metal) and the amp had a lot of gain= good
but this little speaker was not very good for the sound, yes like a box
and forget the beautiful clean tone : it can't be like that
a lot of people say that the dsl1 is the most versatile but in some videos, the jcm1 is really rock
so, if i find one, i will try one but it's really hard to choose because i like the blues and some hard rock like EVH
or this video can help me ?
stratguy23
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Re: Marshall 1w or ht metal 1c ?
You're sort of comparing apples to oranges here, b/c the Blackstar is made to a much lower price point than the Marshall 1 watters or SL5. And the Marshalls are different from each other.
It's not a surprise that you couldn't get good cleans out of the HT1MC. That's not what it's made for.
SL5 seems to be a great amp (especially the fact that it goes down to 1 watt), but it can be hard to find, and it's as expensive as the 1 watters.
JCM1 indeed seems to have good tones. You don't get a dedicated clean channel like the DSL1, but the dirt channel has a gain boost.
If you want to play blues and EVH, I'd point you to the DSL1, JCM1, or JMP1 (just roll down guitar volume for cleans). Maybe Randall RD1 (I've only played the RD5, which is very decent).
If you want metal, go for the HT1MC or JVM1.
You need to figure out which features you need/want - dedicated clean channel, effects loop, certain amount of gain, etc. Also, balance against whatever your budget allows
You're sort of comparing apples to oranges here, b/c the Blackstar is made to a much lower price point than the Marshall 1 watters or SL5. And the Marshalls are different from each other.
It's not a surprise that you couldn't get good cleans out of the HT1MC. That's not what it's made for.
SL5 seems to be a great amp (especially the fact that it goes down to 1 watt), but it can be hard to find, and it's as expensive as the 1 watters.
JCM1 indeed seems to have good tones. You don't get a dedicated clean channel like the DSL1, but the dirt channel has a gain boost.
If you want to play blues and EVH, I'd point you to the DSL1, JCM1, or JMP1 (just roll down guitar volume for cleans). Maybe Randall RD1 (I've only played the RD5, which is very decent).
If you want metal, go for the HT1MC or JVM1.
You need to figure out which features you need/want - dedicated clean channel, effects loop, certain amount of gain, etc. Also, balance against whatever your budget allows
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stratguy23
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Re: Marshall 1w or ht metal 1c ?
Also, you're right, 8" speaker tends to be bad. The one in my DSL1 is just adequate. Currently I run my combo through a 12" Haze cab, which warms up and fattens up the sound a bit.
So that's an option for you, just getting a small combo/head, and running through a bigger cab.
Also, you're right, 8" speaker tends to be bad. The one in my DSL1 is just adequate. Currently I run my combo through a 12" Haze cab, which warms up and fattens up the sound a bit.
So that's an option for you, just getting a small combo/head, and running through a bigger cab.
Re: Marshall 1w or ht metal 1c ?
i have not found better than Laney and pedals for a lot of musics from Satriani to Gary Moore
so, i don't like the sl5 : very loud and not a fabulous tone
so i look for another amp
but which sound? something like a cranked amp like a VOX but not possible
ac 4 is very loud and needs to be played at full volume, all the way up
so, it's between ht 1 metal : i really don't know how it sounds
i played with the ht 1r but 8" is not good for a LP
jvm1 : 8" too
dsl1 : 8" too but it does not sound bad in the video
i may need a jvm1 ? if i want EVH tones? i don't know
or a jcm1 would be very versatile even with some pedals
or a Yamaha thr ?not so bad?
i have not found better than Laney and pedals for a lot of musics from Satriani to Gary Moore
so, i don't like the sl5 : very loud and not a fabulous tone
so i look for another amp
but which sound? something like a cranked amp like a VOX but not possible
ac 4 is very loud and needs to be played at full volume, all the way up
so, it's between ht 1 metal : i really don't know how it sounds
i played with the ht 1r but 8" is not good for a LP
jvm1 : 8" too
dsl1 : 8" too but it does not sound bad in the video
i may need a jvm1 ? if i want EVH tones? i don't know
or a jcm1 would be very versatile even with some pedals
or a Yamaha thr ?not so bad?
stratguy23
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Re: Marshall 1w or ht metal 1c ?
OK, so now you want blues, cranked Vox, AND EVH for the bedroom?
And you're sure you don't want to use pedals?
The Vox AV analog modeling amp may be for you (probably the 15 watt version). Someone here recently got one and really liked it - see thread from last month or so.
Yamaha THR10 may also be for you. It has a Vox tone ("Crunch") as well as a bluesy older Marshall type tone ("Lead") as well as an 80s British ("Brit Hi") for your Van Halen tones.
I hated my THR10 (felt really digital, the 3" speakers didn't help) and returned it, but I know I'm in the minority. There are probably hundreds of glowing reviews out there on it, so you may want to get to a store and try one.
OK, so now you want blues, cranked Vox, AND EVH for the bedroom?
And you're sure you don't want to use pedals?
The Vox AV analog modeling amp may be for you (probably the 15 watt version). Someone here recently got one and really liked it - see thread from last month or so.
Yamaha THR10 may also be for you. It has a Vox tone ("Crunch") as well as a bluesy older Marshall type tone ("Lead") as well as an 80s British ("Brit Hi") for your Van Halen tones.
I hated my THR10 (felt really digital, the 3" speakers didn't help) and returned it, but I know I'm in the minority. There are probably hundreds of glowing reviews out there on it, so you may want to get to a store and try one.
Re: Marshall 1w or ht metal 1c ?
no
the cranked VOX has the tone i want but 4w is impossible
EVH has his little amp but i think it will be too loud too
so when i play i take my amps with tubes with pedals and the clean channel and very often, the sound is better
and i can play with the volume i want
i don't want hybride or others
i think the best thing would be 1w or 0,5w but i have not an amp like that
i have fun with little amp like Roland micro cube
vox da5
but they can be loud too
about the Yamaha thr 10, they sound really good in the videos
listen to this
is it like that for real ?
yeah, these little speakers must not be perfect but
no
the cranked VOX has the tone i want but 4w is impossible
EVH has his little amp but i think it will be too loud too
so when i play i take my amps with tubes with pedals and the clean channel and very often, the sound is better
and i can play with the volume i want
i don't want hybride or others
i think the best thing would be 1w or 0,5w but i have not an amp like that
i have fun with little amp like Roland micro cube
vox da5
but they can be loud too
about the Yamaha thr 10, they sound really good in the videos
listen to this
is it like that for real ?
yeah, these little speakers must not be perfect but
Re: Marshall 1w or ht metal 1c ?
Never got to see or play any of them, but being a lover of JCM800s, I was very curious to see if the tones were indeed similar at the low wattage. ?? Was extremely excited when these were coming out, but as is normally the case, cost kept me away..
However, if the tone is indeed pretty accurate, but at a lower wattage point, Id considering picking one up some day if finances turn around..
Never got to see or play any of them, but being a lover of JCM800s, I was very curious to see if the tones were indeed similar at the low wattage. ?? Was extremely excited when these were coming out, but as is normally the case, cost kept me away..
However, if the tone is indeed pretty accurate, but at a lower wattage point, Id considering picking one up some day if finances turn around..
