Marshall amps :Tight bass, crushing mids, singing highs + HIgh gain =which model?

Re: Marshall amps :Tight bass, crushing mids, singing highs + HIgh gain =which model?

I have the Kerry King 800 too along with the JVM and love it.
The plus over the JVM is the onboard noise gate, the minus is the lack is switching capabilities. Tonewise, they are pretty equal.

The JVM has more gain and more sizzle to its gain, as well as tighter lowend. While the 800 is more raw. When the beast boost is engaged it amps up the gain and mids, but honestly sounds like a solid state pedal was just turned on. The robust 6550s counter that aspect by providing a nice wide tube feel and punch.

Not sure which I prefer, but I do play the JVM more. I like its level of compression, its high end and low end and how well it gels with V30s.
 
Re: Marshall amps :Tight bass, crushing mids, singing highs + HIgh gain =which model?

After knowing WFD for a Looooooooong time eh man :D I think the only Marshalls that will have anywhere near the gain that you like will be either the SL-X or the JVM.

I think you'd be better off with something like a 5150 though in all honesty or 1 of the Valvestate Marshalls; they can get pretty brutal with the right pickups etc!
 
Re: Marshall amps :Tight bass, crushing mids, singing highs + HIgh gain =which model?

Van Noord said:
I have the Kerry King 800 too along with the JVM and love it.
The plus over the JVM is the onboard noise gate, the minus is the lack is switching capabilities. Tonewise, they are pretty equal.

The JVM has more gain and more sizzle to its gain, as well as tighter lowend. While the 800 is more raw. When the beast boost is engaged it amps up the gain and mids, but honestly sounds like a solid state pedal was just turned on. The robust 6550s counter that aspect by providing a nice wide tube feel and punch.

Not sure which I prefer, but I do play the JVM more. I like its level of compression, its high end and low end and how well it gels with V30s.
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You must have the Joe Satriani Signature JVM. Thst one makes me wish I had waited on buying a JVM, solely because of the AFD style circuit the designed into the crunch channel. But then again, I like what the mods have done for mine too.
 
Re: Marshall amps :Tight bass, crushing mids, singing highs + HIgh gain =which model?

What you might have liked about the JVM is EL34 tubes. EL34s have more singing highs as oppossed to screaming highs and a crushing midrange but not necessarly tight bass.

Any Marshall can be changed to 6550s/KT-88s for tighter bass if EL34s don't get tight enough bass, but the JVM may be able to get tight enough anyway. 6550s don't get as much distortion but your talking about amps with tons of pre-amp distortion and gain anyway.

Many JCM900s had 5881s (6L6 type) because there was an EL34 shortage during those years. These can also be changed to EL34 or 6550.
 
Re: Marshall amps :Tight bass, crushing mids, singing highs + HIgh gain =which model?

Lake Placid Blues said:
What you might have liked about the JVM is EL34 tubes. EL34s have more singing highs as oppossed to screaming highs and a crushing midrange but not necessarly tight bass.

Any Marshall can be changed to 6550s/KT-88s for tighter bass if EL34s don't get tight enough bass, but the JVM may be able to get tight enough anyway. 6550s don't get as much distortion but your talking about amps with tons of pre-amp distortion and gain anyway.

Many JCM900s had 5881s (6L6 type) because there was an EL34 shortage during those years. These can also be changed to EL34 or 6550.
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My Triple Rec came with 6L6s, but I later installed EL34s. The EL34s did tighten up the bass, shave off some of the top end fizz, and bring out more mids. But they didn't make it sound like a Marshall either. It still sounds like a Mesa.
 
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Gone_Shootin said:
You must have the Joe Satriani Signature JVM. Thst one makes me wish I had waited on buying a JVM, solely because of the AFD style circuit the designed into the crunch channel. But then again, I like what the mods have done for mine too.
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No I have 210H. I wish it had JS noise gate but my Decimator is fine. I only use two modes and two channels, so its great for my needs.
 
Re: Marshall amps :Tight bass, crushing mids, singing highs + HIgh gain =which model?

Lake Placid Blues said:
What you might have liked about the JVM is EL34 tubes. EL34s have more singing highs as oppossed to screaming highs and a crushing midrange but not necessarly tight bass.

Any Marshall can be changed to 6550s/KT-88s for tighter bass if EL34s don't get tight enough bass, but the JVM may be able to get tight enough anyway. 6550s don't get as much distortion but your talking about amps with tons of pre-amp distortion and gain anyway.

Many JCM900s had 5881s (6L6 type) because there was an EL34 shortage during those years. These can also be changed to EL34 or 6550.
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A little fact, the original first produced Marshalls were made with 6L6s/5881s because they were more readily available at the time. They switched the EL34s because they then became easier to obtain in the years that followed.
It just goes to show how power section glass has little to do with an amps actual vocal identity.

And for the record, of all the amps I own and have owned, EL34s powered amps have the tightest low end for sure. 6L6s can have bigger low end, but it tends to also have more sag and losseness.
 
Re: Marshall amps :Tight bass, crushing mids, singing highs + HIgh gain =which model?

Yeah I have used my JTM45 with both 6L6GC and KT66, but I like it best with EL34s or 6CA7s. It's a little different voiced with each. KT66s in Marshalls are early Clapton/Cream tone, at least the amp part of the equation.
 
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WITH FULL DISTORTION said:
I FOrgot to ask.. you said it has ONLY ONE Channel? so theres no actually CLEAN Channel? i need a 100% clean channel. otherwise, i would not use my distortion pedals. something i always like to do . even if i would never use it as my main distortion, since my plan is to use the amps distortion as my main one. and not a pedal on the clean channel of an amp .
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Thats right. One channel, but you can switch between two different master volume controls, so you cal roll back your guitar volume to clean up, and go to the louder master volume if you need it. You can get a heap of gain levels and volume levels by using your guitar controls and the two masters.
It can run clean (well, marshall clean not twin reverb clean) because it has two gain controls. One is the regular JCM800 style gain control which does what it does ti the first preamp. The second gain control adds an extra gain stage- kind of like an inbuilt tube screamer, so you can add the extra dirt there. If you have the second gain on zero, it essentially takes the amp back to jcm 800 levels, but if you crank it up, it takes you into hot rodded territory.
If you want to use pedals for your dirt, then yeah, you can set the amp up to be more or less like a big open jcm800 kind of vibe and add your dirt from the little boxes. Or you can add the extra gain in the amp, and then roll it off with your guitar volume to get back to clean.
Its basically an old skool amp, but with an extra controllable gain stage and a choice of two master volume controls. Its surprisingly flexible, but it requires you to use yout guitar controls interactively (like any old skool amp) to access all the tones on the fly. Its not a 4 channel, 4 eq, guitar on 10 preset and forget modern channel switching machine. It does have the modern amenities of fx send and return tho and line outs etc.

FYI the SL-x is an almost identical amp, but the extra gain stage is tube driven. Some love it, some prefer the MKIII.
 
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Re: Marshall amps :Tight bass, crushing mids, singing highs + HIgh gain =which model?

NICE Pieces of information and tips here guys. thank you VERY MUCH. ill try to play the marshall jvm again and spend more time with it and play it with my 7 string loaded with blaze custom and liquifire . its an Ibanez RG7420.
 
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WITH FULL DISTORTION said:
NICE Pieces of information and tips here guys. thank you VERY MUCH. ill try to play the marshall jvm again and spend more time with it and play it with my 7 string loaded with blaze custom and liquifire . its an Ibanez RG7420.
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Right on, man. If you get one and get the itch to mod it, head over to www.jvmforum.com, that's where I got the instructions for the mods I've done to my JVM. They have instructions for quite a few more mods than what I've done as well.
 
Re: Marshall amps :Tight bass, crushing mids, singing highs + HIgh gain =which model?

THANKS AGAIN Guys
but what are the negative points of these JVM s???
 
Re: Marshall amps :Tight bass, crushing mids, singing highs + HIgh gain =which model?

Nothing. Except the eq isn't very efficient, the four channels sound more or less the same so three of them are redundant, and then it just has that modern politeness, that compressed, contained, compact, correct kind of dynamics (or lack thereof).
The only thing I like about it is the fast tracking and easy feel.
 
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WITH FULL DISTORTION said:
i was researching a bit more and i came across these 3 clips that i liked a LOT.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPiE5-gYTLc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqwtgJbtEJc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apKiTp4Bn0c
two Marshalls DSL 100 head, another one is a jmp 1 that i liked A LOT, but i dont know how changing the brand/model of the POWER would affect the PRE. Q: /
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I like that last clip, that guy was good!

Here's another good clip to give you a reference between a JCM 900, a JCM 2000 DSL, a JVM 205H, and a Splawn Competition 50. Watch what he does with the volume knobs on his Les Paul and you'll hear one of the reasons I have come to prefer Splawn amps over Marshalls. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6cDb9IgTeM

Speaking of Splawns, here's a good comparison between their Quick Rod and Nitro models: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qI6nByP68cQ
And another that's a little more in depth on the Nitro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qI6nByP68cQ

Another amp to consider is the EVH 5150 III. It's in the Marshall vein tonewise, and gets into Soldano territory on channel 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS265TNqwFA
 
Re: Marshall amps :Tight bass, crushing mids, singing highs + HIgh gain =which model?

Look at Bogner amps. Expensive, but just from what I've heard - I'd say it is well worth it.
 
Re: Marshall amps :Tight bass, crushing mids, singing highs + HIgh gain =which model?

Just for fun, check out the new Randall amps.
 
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