Marshall JVM vs DSL vs ?
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dystrust
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Is your JCM800 a channel switcher, or is it a single-channel? If it's the latter, have you tried boosting it with anything? I'll admit that it's an old school sound, but lots of death metal bands have used JCM800s pushed with a Boss DS-1 or similar.
Is your JCM800 a channel switcher, or is it a single-channel? If it's the latter, have you tried boosting it with anything? I'll admit that it's an old school sound, but lots of death metal bands have used JCM800s pushed with a Boss DS-1 or similar.
epi
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it has 2 channels High and Low.... guys this thing blows your ears out at levels I need it... XD I know the JVM and DSL don't need to be that loud to achieve the tones I want as I have used both already and cannot decide... I will be using this amp for gigs only so I can turn up hella lot since I am also buying a POD HD PRO X to use my PC to play.... jamming etc but for gigs marshall...and I have tried it all and YES I am using a OD pedal
it has 2 channels High and Low.... guys this thing blows your ears out at levels I need it... XD I know the JVM and DSL don't need to be that loud to achieve the tones I want as I have used both already and cannot decide... I will be using this amp for gigs only so I can turn up hella lot since I am also buying a POD HD PRO X to use my PC to play.... jamming etc but for gigs marshall...and I have tried it all and YES I am using a OD pedal
Gearjoneser
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One thing about some of the newer higher gain Marshalls is that they don't sound as rich and fat as the JCM800's base tone.
You didn't mention which OD you're using, but I'd suggest spending a couple hours at a well stocked music store, auditioning all their OD/Dist pedals. Bring your amp.
The fattest you can make a JCM800 is to plug into the 2nd input and practically dime the volume and gain so it sounds like a plexi, then put a good Distortion pedal on it. Fat clean and fat gain. I guarantee it'll sound bigger and meaner than the buzzy highgain channel on most new Marshall/Peavey/Blackstars.
One thing about some of the newer higher gain Marshalls is that they don't sound as rich and fat as the JCM800's base tone.
You didn't mention which OD you're using, but I'd suggest spending a couple hours at a well stocked music store, auditioning all their OD/Dist pedals. Bring your amp.
The fattest you can make a JCM800 is to plug into the 2nd input and practically dime the volume and gain so it sounds like a plexi, then put a good Distortion pedal on it. Fat clean and fat gain. I guarantee it'll sound bigger and meaner than the buzzy highgain channel on most new Marshall/Peavey/Blackstars.
Edgecrusher
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Re: Marshall JVM vs DSL vs ?
keep your 800 (get a new cab though ditch the hi fi speakers) add this http://www.stompbox.de/dominator_english.html and forget about it.
keep your 800 (get a new cab though ditch the hi fi speakers) add this http://www.stompbox.de/dominator_english.html and forget about it.
epi
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yeah about that... what would be a good cab?
I am looking 2x12... either marshall or mesa...
how much is this pedal? O_O
yeah about that... what would be a good cab?
I am looking 2x12... either marshall or mesa...
how much is this pedal? O_O
El Dunco
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Focus less on what you hear through the grapevine and more from what you hear through your own ears. Go to music shops, plug in and play. Great tone takes a lot of trial and error. Anyone and everyone with a great tone can tell you that as an almost universal rule of nature.
Focus less on what you hear through the grapevine and more from what you hear through your own ears. Go to music shops, plug in and play. Great tone takes a lot of trial and error. Anyone and everyone with a great tone can tell you that as an almost universal rule of nature.
Gone_Shootin
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I wouldn't get a Marshall 2x12. I used to have a 1936 and it wasn't all that great. Mesa 2x12s are supposed to be gtg, though, but I would also look at Bogner, Avatar Vintage, and Avatar Contemporary 2x12s as well. As far as speakers go, it's hard to go wrong with a pair of Celestion Vintage 30s, or an Eminence Governor and an Eminence Governor speakers together in the same cab (I actually prefer this combo over Vintage 30s).
As far as the amps go, I used to have a JCM2000 TSL and currently own a JVM 410H. Both the DSL and the JVM should serve you well, and with the JVM there are a bunch of mods you can do to it. I've done a few to mine and they have improved it. But on the flipside, I think you might be better served with a Splawn Nitro (if you like lots of mids), an Engl, a Bogner Ubershcall, or even a Blackstar. I love my Marshall, but there are better choices for what you want to do.
But, putting an overdrive in front of your 800 like some here have already suggested might be a good idea to try out first. My personal favorite is the MXR Wylde Overdrive, but I have doubts that it'd fit your tastes. I have heard of Death Metal guys using a Boss Metal Zone as an overdrive because they can sculpt the tone a little more with it. And I see Metal Zones go used for anywhere from $20 to $40 every once in awhile, so that might be worth trying before going through the expense of buying a new amp.
I wouldn't get a Marshall 2x12. I used to have a 1936 and it wasn't all that great. Mesa 2x12s are supposed to be gtg, though, but I would also look at Bogner, Avatar Vintage, and Avatar Contemporary 2x12s as well. As far as speakers go, it's hard to go wrong with a pair of Celestion Vintage 30s, or an Eminence Governor and an Eminence Governor speakers together in the same cab (I actually prefer this combo over Vintage 30s).
As far as the amps go, I used to have a JCM2000 TSL and currently own a JVM 410H. Both the DSL and the JVM should serve you well, and with the JVM there are a bunch of mods you can do to it. I've done a few to mine and they have improved it. But on the flipside, I think you might be better served with a Splawn Nitro (if you like lots of mids), an Engl, a Bogner Ubershcall, or even a Blackstar. I love my Marshall, but there are better choices for what you want to do.
But, putting an overdrive in front of your 800 like some here have already suggested might be a good idea to try out first. My personal favorite is the MXR Wylde Overdrive, but I have doubts that it'd fit your tastes. I have heard of Death Metal guys using a Boss Metal Zone as an overdrive because they can sculpt the tone a little more with it. And I see Metal Zones go used for anywhere from $20 to $40 every once in awhile, so that might be worth trying before going through the expense of buying a new amp.
Lake Placid Blues
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What power tubes do you run in the 800?
What power tubes do you run in the 800?
Edgecrusher
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Metal zones disappear into the mix... unless you want to give your vocalist space they leave a lot to be desired.
Metal zones disappear into the mix... unless you want to give your vocalist space they leave a lot to be desired.
misterwhizzy
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Gone_Shootin
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Good point. The 5150/6505 is hard to beat for what the OP wants.
Good point. The 5150/6505 is hard to beat for what the OP wants.
dystrust
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Agreed. If boosting the JCM800 won't work, a 5150/6505 is a much better amp for death metal than either the JVM or DSL.
Agreed. If boosting the JCM800 won't work, a 5150/6505 is a much better amp for death metal than either the JVM or DSL.
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