Marshall's new amps and web site.

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I think it was Saturday night I had a hard time getting the Marshall page to load. The auto-fill function on my various web browsers was trying to take me to MarshallAmps.COM which wasn't loading at all. Funny, wasn't I using that site pretty recently? Then I went Google and forced a new search (not auto-fill on my browser window) and was directe to https://marshall.com/

OK, this is something new. In fact a whole new web site that has a lot of short video clips on the home page. As far as sites of that sort go, it's pretty nice.

And along with it a bunch of new products (and perhaps so old products have been retired, as they usually are when new products are introduced, but I'm not sure about that.

The product lines have been re-organized, so the way that I used to think about their amps doesn't really fit anymore. He's the first product screen you get to after traversing a few screens full of hipster music video cuts:

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The "Origin" and "Code" product lines are new, as far as I can remember.

The "Origin" series appears to be Marshall's latest attempt to build retro-styled amps, but with modern guts, not the more meticulous recreations of the "Handwired" series. They are all tube amps though.

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The little guy is a 5 watt combo with an 8" speaker that is advertised as for "bedroom players". Funny that's a forum term being adopted by their marketing dept. 8" speaker - Marshall finally builds a Champ.

The next biggest is a 20 watt 10" (Marshall's Princeton). It sports 3 x ECC83 Pre amp valves and 2 x EL34 Power amp valves.

There are also head versions of the 20 and 50 watt amps, also retro styled.

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The largest of the combos is 50 watt 12" model, with the same tubes as the above. All of them seem to be single channel amps with a foot-switchable "gain boost". They also have built in power-cutting switches, like a lot of new amps.

The "Code" amps let you connect computers and to the web and upload and download patches. I guess I would describe them as computer-enabled modeling amps. Fulltone pedals have had the "Tone Print" thing were you can down load patches to your digital delay, so I think it's that sort of idea. These are solid state amps of some sort. There are a variety of sizes up to 100 watt combo and head.

The JVM series remains unchanged, from what I can tell with a full compliment of 2 and 4 channel models in both 50 and 100 watt versions, heads and combos.
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The Vintage series (which are more accurate recreations of specific older Marshall models, but not built exactly the same way, but again all tubes) seems to contain all the same models it did last time I looked.

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The Handwired series though, appears to be down to only two models.

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If choice is good then Marshall are doing great, they are certainly giving buyers a lot of options. The new organization seems pretty straight forward.

It's gotta be tough to be a retailer though. how could you possibly stock even a small fraction of all these models? And if it's going to have to be shipped to you anyway, sound unheard, why not order from a mail-order guy, instead of the a local shop? (I'm not in the music business, so it's not my problem. Amps are something I have always shopped for at stores, and never mail order. My last trip to Guitar Center they had no amps of any interest to me, even though they had 40 or 50 amps on the floor. So, I probably won't buy an amp from them, and I suspect they are having a lot of other customers with the same response. For small shops, it's gotta be even worse.)

I'll be interested to hear some reviews of the 50 watt Origin amp. That's probably the most interesting of the new designs to me.
 
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Marshall's new amps and web site.

There’s a video here on the forum with a demo of one of the origin amps.
IMO, unimpressed.
I wish Marshall would just start building amps like they used to. Solid, great sounding amps. I’d like to see a vintage line and a modern line.
The vintage being styled and built like they were years ago and the modern being a “hot rodded” version.
If they wanted to continue heading into the digital world, that’s ok too, I suppose. But I’m not interested in that product at this time. Still, plenty of people are so it. makes sense to have some offerings.
 
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Yea, the Origin and all new redesigned DSL series has been generating a lot of interest since NAMM. I guess the per orders have been coming in like crazy.

The Origin is actually the one that most of the buzz is about. It's basically a hot rodded plexi, but has some things that players have been asking for of Marshall for years.

The power amps on the 50 watt and the 20 watt feature stepped power scaling and use EL34s like the mini Jubilee. The 50 watt can be set to 50 watts, 10 watts, and 1 watt. It doesn't use pentode /triode switching and no EL84s or 6V6s. The power scaling steps on the 20 watt are 20 watts, 5 watts, and 0.1 watts. The 5 watt combo uses a single ended single EL84 power tube, though.

The amps feature a "tilt" control that mixes the treble and normal channels of a four input amp. It should be easier to dial in than the Detail and Body gain controls of the Vintage Moderns.

They are single channel hot rodded plexi with an all tube boost on a push pull knob up through 800 gain levels, to be played using picking dynamics and your guitar's volume knob. Indeed the demos so far indicate that they are very responsive to picking dynamics. They have a loop and are supposed to take pedals well. The 50 watt head is listing $650 and the 20 watt head for $550.
 
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Yea, the Origin and all new redesigned DSL series has been generating a lot of interest since NAMM. I guess the per orders have been coming in like crazy.

The Origin is actually the one that most of the buzz is about. It's basically a hot rodded plexi, but has some things that players have been asking for of Marshall for years.

The power amps on the 50 watt and the 20 watt feature stepped power scaling and use EL34s like the mini Jubilee. The 50 watt can be set to 50 watts, 10 watts, and 1 watt. It doesn't use pentode /triode switching and no EL84s or 6V6s. The power scaling steps on the 20 watt are 20 watts, 5 watts, and 0.1 watts. The 5 watt combo uses a single ended single EL84 power tube, though.

The amps feature a "tilt" control that mixes the treble and normal channels of a four input amp. It should be easier to dial in than the Detail and Body gain controls of the Vintage Moderns.

They are single channel hot rodded plexi with an all tube boost on a push pull knob up through 800 gain levels, to be played using picking dynamics and your guitar's volume knob. Indeed the demos so far indicate that they are very responsive to picking dynamics. They have a loop and are supposed to take pedals well. The 50 watt head is listing $650 and the 20 watt head for $550.

The demo I saw of the Origin series touted the amp as a clean pedal platform.
Even if it does 800 gain levels, I’d hardly call that “hot rodded”.
 
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There’s a video here on the forum with a demo of one of the origin amps.
IMO, unimpressed.
I wish Marshall would just start building amps like they used to. Solid, great sounding amps. I’d like to see a vintage line and a modern line.
The vintage being styled and built like they were years ago and the modern being a “hot rodded” version.
If they wanted to continue heading into the digital world, that’s ok too, I suppose. But I’m not interested in that product at this time. Still, plenty of people are so it. makes sense to have some offerings.

I guess the Vintage series are not exact reproductions, but are pretty close? I know some of what makes them different are 'can't live without" improvements. On the JCM-800, for instance, you get an effects loop.

If you take the Bluesbreaker, that is the Reissue in the Vintage series, it's $2,700. Ouch!! I believe one of the discontinued amps was the Bluesbreaker "Hand Wired" or 1962HW. That was $2,900. I'm not sure what the extra $200 got you, but apparently either it was hard to build or not selling as much as the "standard" reissue, because it's been removed from the offerings for 2018.

1962HW "Handwired"link here.

1962 "vintage" link

The Bassman Ltd. (reissue of a similar size Fender) is only $1450. Marshall seem to have issues with competitive prices with older tube designs.
 
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The demo I saw of the Origin series touted the amp as a clean pedal platform.
Even if it does 800 gain levels, I’d hardly call that “hot rodded”.

Compared to a stock plexi or to an 800? If high gain is what you want then its probably not for you. They have other series of amps for that.
 
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I guess the Vintage series are not exact reproductions, but are pretty close? I know some of what makes them different are 'can't live without" improvements. On the JCM-800, for instance, you get an effects loop.

If you take the Bluesbreaker, that is the Reissue in the Vintage series, it's $2,700. Ouch!! I believe one of the discontinued amps was the Bluesbreaker "Hand Wired" or 1962HW. That was $2,900. I'm not sure what the extra $200 got you, but apparently either it was hard to build or not selling as much as the "standard" reissue, because it's been removed from the offerings for 2018.

1962HW "Handwired"link here.

1962 "vintage" link

The Bassman Ltd. (reissue of a similar size Fender) is only $1450. Marshall seem to have issues with competitive prices with older tube designs.
Is 2700 too much for a top tier made in UK amp? How much are made in the USA Mesa Boogies? SLOs are 5K now.

$2700 has about the same purchasing power as $750 had in 1985. In 1990 a new full sized pickup truck cost about 20k. In 2000 the same pickup truck cost 30k. In 2008 it cost 40k. Now it costs 80k.
 
Re: Marshall's new amps and web site.

Yea, the Origin and all new redesigned DSL series has been generating a lot of interest since NAMM. I guess the per orders have been coming in like crazy.

The Origin is actually the one that most of the buzz is about. It's basically a hot rodded plexi, but has some things that players have been asking for of Marshall for years.

The power amps on the 50 watt and the 20 watt feature stepped power scaling and use EL34s like the mini Jubilee. The 50 watt can be set to 50 watts, 10 watts, and 1 watt. It doesn't use pentode /triode switching and no EL84s or 6V6s. The power scaling steps on the 20 watt are 20 watts, 5 watts, and 0.1 watts. The 5 watt combo uses a single ended single EL84 power tube, though.

The amps feature a "tilt" control that mixes the treble and normal channels of a four input amp. It should be easier to dial in than the Detail and Body gain controls of the Vintage Moderns.

They are single channel hot rodded plexi with an all tube boost on a push pull knob up through 800 gain levels, to be played using picking dynamics and your guitar's volume knob. Indeed the demos so far indicate that they are very responsive to picking dynamics. They have a loop and are supposed to take pedals well. The 50 watt head is listing $650 and the 20 watt head for $550.

The video is here.

It's a one channel amp, what does the pedal do? Turn the "boost" on and off? Could be workable. When I looked at how the JVC two channels were set up it seemed like you only really got one workable channel out of them: the clean channel (which could be either / or clean / crunch.) Those are probably the two tones I would like, with no real interest in the super high-gain stuff available on Channel 2. THat made the 4 channel more interesting, at least I would get two usable ones. But only available in $2600 100 watt versions. This may deliver something like that at a lot lower price.

The demo I saw of the Origin series touted the amp as a clean pedal platform.
Even if it does 800 gain levels, I’d hardly call that “hot rodded”.

OK, but the 800 is basically a Plexi with a master volume, that was the 1980 method of allowing you to get crunch and overdrive without turning a 100 watt up to 10. It works pretty good, you can dial in distortion at whatever volume level you are playing at, more of less. That's not exactly what a lot of people mean by "hot rodded", I guess, but it does provide OD capability.
 
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Ok....I just watched a couple more demos....I have changed my mind on the Origin series.
The original vid I saw only demoed some clean and very mild gain. I bought that’s all it had in it.
I stand corrected...from what I have now seen it’s a very versatile little amp.



Aaaaand, now I want one. Lol
 
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Ok....I just watched a couple more demos....I have changed my mind on the Origin series.
The original vid I saw only demoed some clean and very mild gain. I bought that’s all it had in it.
I stand corrected...from what I have now seen it’s a very versatile little amp.



Aaaaand, now I want one. Lol

Which one? The 50 Watt 1x12 combo or the 50 watt head both look nice to me.
 
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Im a head and cabinet guy so I’d definitely go that route. And it would be the 50 watter.
 
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The video is here.

It's a one channel amp, what does the pedal do? Turn the "boost" on and off? Could be workable. When I looked at how the JVC two channels were set up it seemed like you only really got one workable channel out of them: the clean channel (which could be either / or clean / crunch.) Those are probably the two tones I would like, with no real interest in the super high-gain stuff available on Channel 2. THat made the 4 channel more interesting, at least I would get two usable ones. But only available in $2600 100 watt versions. This may deliver something like that at a lot lower price.



OK, but the 800 is basically a Plexi with a master volume, that was the 1980 method of allowing you to get crunch and overdrive without turning a 100 watt up to 10. It works pretty good, you can dial in distortion at whatever volume level you are playing at, more of less. That's not exactly what a lot of people mean by "hot rodded", I guess, but it does provide OD capability.

The two button pedal turns boost on/off and FX loop on/off
 
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I wish it were a 2 channel amp but the fact that it’s not isn’t a dealbreaker.
 
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My whining about Marshall's being too expensive resulted in this thoughtful comment:

Is 2700 too much for a top tier made in UK amp? How much are made in the USA Mesa Boogies? SLOs are 5K now.

$2700 has about the same purchasing power as $750 had in 1985. In 1990 a new full sized pickup truck cost about 20k. In 2000 the same pickup truck cost 30k. In 2008 it cost 40k. Now it costs 80k.

Good point. You are exactly right about this... that's definitely the range for handmade British or American Amps.

For instance the OR-50 is $2600. (50 Watt Head). The cheaper Mesa's, the Express 5:50 is about $1600, it's easy to get to $2500 for a Mark V or other high end amp.

And, yeah, Soldano's are up there too. (The SLO is in a place of it's own.)
 
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With the DSLs on the other hand, they keep adding features and reducing prices. Not bad at all to have one series going in that direction.
 
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