Mesa rises again...

Andrew Lamprecht

Minion of One
I returned the Twin to GC. :) Surprising? It was kind of ridiculous. I use cleans just as much or more than dirt, depending on my mood. The twin seemed like a perfect amp for me but I had the idea to take it back to GC and play with a bunch of ods and boosts along with the Bolin. I tried the OCD, the Giggity, the EP booster, the AC+, MXR Modified Overdrive, a ton of stuff. Everything sounded congested with the pedals in pairs. Maybe I should never have found that pedal but I really love the Bolin, I wanted to find something that would work with it. Even without that pedal, I miss the dirt from the Mesa (I hadn't been playing it much, only the Twin). I brought my receipt and just asked if I could return it because I wasn't getting the sounds I wanted. They said sure, $900 back in my pocket. I played a few amps there but nothing clicked with me. The amps that probably clicked with me the most was the Super Champ X2 and a Super Sonic. The Orange Micro terror was fun too. :) But I just went home and plugged in the Mesa. You know, that amp has great cleans and amazing dirt. I do like the Twin cleans a lot... the Mesas are not bad at all and they are just different. Still kinda fendery though. I bought a Holy Grail and I am just going to keep the Mesa and boost it with the Bolin. Sounds amazing as I have thought for a while now. Love the tone... pretty unique too. I am making a small pedalboard now, I have the Bolin, a carbon copy, holy grail, and I have a few different overdrives to pick from but I am still not sure if I even need them between the amp and bolin fuzz. Anyway, good times. :)

Either amp kicks ass and I am happy with the Mesa.
 
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That's cool man. It's not aleays a question of better on paper but in your own particular context and with your playing style...
 
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I hope you keep that Mesa for a long time. I've always wanted one, they just seem like great amps for those of us that love Fender but want built in OD. As a Fender freak, I approve :)
 
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Two great amps, and I'm sure it wasn't easy to choose between them. But it sounds like you've always liked the Mesa, so I say good for you for finding a way to keep it.

Keep the pedalboard simple. But not too simple!
 
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Which Boogie do you own?

Gotta use whatever floats your boat/ speaks to you when you play. Ive spents thousands upon thousands of dollars on amps that I thought would work out great, and did not, despite the fact they may be incredible sounding amps taken at face value. That goes for guitars, pedals, and other stuff too.
 
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The pedal thing is a slippery slope and people get A LOT of money tied up into it with usually pretty crappy results. Glad to hear you found an amp that does it for you on both the clean and the overdrive side. I remember trying a Mesa 5:50 a few months ago and I was really impressed with just how good the clean channel was for an amp that had a pretty high gain overdrive channel.
 
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Keep the pedalboard simple. But not too simple!

Ha! I only have 3 pedals on it now... I have room for a couple more but I am not sure. I never used modulation and I have delay and reverb... don't think I need any more dirt but I don't know.

Which Boogie do you own?

Gotta use whatever floats your boat/ speaks to you when you play. Ive spents thousands upon thousands of dollars on amps that I thought would work out great, and did not, despite the fact they may be incredible sounding amps taken at face value. That goes for guitars, pedals, and other stuff too.

I have a Mark II from the late 70s/early 80s. It has the EVM speaker which is good and bad. It sounds great but not at low volumes. It can get compressed a lot more than other speakers so it doesn't work as well for home use.

The pedal thing is a slippery slope and people get A LOT of money tied up into it with usually pretty crappy results. Glad to hear you found an amp that does it for you on both the clean and the overdrive side. I remember trying a Mesa 5:50 a few months ago and I was really impressed with just how good the clean channel was for an amp that had a pretty high gain overdrive channel.

Yeah. I can definitely see it being a problem when people get so much money tied into pedals. I will say 2 things about the twin though. It made the overdrive pedals sounds really natural compared to other amps (this is something the Mesa does well on the clean channel too)... and the holy grail is nothing compared to the fender tank in the twin. and when I say nothing.. I mean... I don't even know if I want to experience reverb outside of a big fender tank now haha.
 
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Well. I am disappointed in you.

If you like the SOUND of one amp but you like the IDEA of another, you have the PERFECT EXCUSE to RUN THEM BOTH in STEREO.

Now go back to Guitar Center and get your amp back.

Jesus...
 
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I know they're known for high gain tones but Mesa amps have spectacular cleans. The cleans on my Triaxis are just amazing. I know it's built to be versatile, so maybe that's not a good comparison. But I've also heard that the Mark IV's and V's, which are known as high gain monsters, have awesome cleans as well.
 
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Well. I am disappointed in you.

If you like the SOUND of one amp but you like the IDEA of another, you have the PERFECT EXCUSE to RUN THEM BOTH in STEREO.

Now go back to Guitar Center and get your amp back.

Jesus...

Better yet, go back next week and buy it from them "used."
 
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MKII B?

Great amp.

Try a different speaker. Or invest in a Rivera RockCrusher.
 
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Well. I am disappointed in you.

If you like the SOUND of one amp but you like the IDEA of another, you have the PERFECT EXCUSE to RUN THEM BOTH in STEREO.

Now go back to Guitar Center and get your amp back.

Jesus...

I suggested this very thing in another thread!
 
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I really dig mesa's for crunch, clean and fat leads. I really don't care for their high gain tones. It's so strange: I heard Keith Merrow play a mark 5 with super high gain, but when I played it, with the exact same settings, it seemed as if the gain got turned down 30%. I'm just not a mesa-highgain-guy I suppose. (I own 2 mesa's, but only for cleans, crunch and fat leads...)
 
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You guys are catching me on a bad day or something, wtf? Fender twin? Not if I had a Mark II at home.

Andrew, easy solution to your speaker problem: play louder.
 
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Yeah but I'm sayin, a Mark II with a 1x15" Twin? Maybe put the Mesa on top of the Fender for some staction.

Then even when you switch to Mesa crunch you have that fatter-than-usual-cuz-15" Fender clean underlying every note. Heavy.
 
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Yeah but I'm sayin, a Mark II with a 1x15" Twin? Maybe put the Mesa on top of the Fender for some staction.

Then even when you switch to Mesa crunch you have that fatter-than-usual-cuz-15" Fender clean underlying every note. Heavy.

Now that sounds like an idea I can endorse.
 
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Alright, Andrew, it's unanimous. We are expecting a picture of your combo stack and the ****-eating grin it's going to bring to your face by this evening.
 
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Hehe, I am thinking about going back to GC and returning the grail. It is **** compared to the reverb in the Fender..... and I am usually not so snobby... but it just doesn't compare.
 
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