Mistake...Peavey Valveking 112

hvymtlgtr

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I am thinking about getting a getting a peavey valveking 112 and trading in my marshall mg50 dfx. the marshall jsut isnt a good heavy metal amp. and its solid state My biggest influences are alexi laiho from children of bodom and mike padgett from bullet for my valentine. i am an amatuer guitarist so give me crap if i sound like an idiot or not know wat im talking about. lol. is this a good amp for metal( like bfmv and cob). the amp is used and its 50 or 60 watts. will i need to replace the tubes? Its a tube right? Whats the difference between tube and transtube. PS i play an epi sg

PSS Dont get mad cuz ive asked similar questions

... and how do i convince my dad who doesnt no a lot about music to let me trade this in wen i just got it for christmas
thanx and sry for all the questions
 
Re: Mistake...Peavey Valveking 112

check out my last reply on your "whats a good amp for metal ?" thread
left you some resources there then check out some valveking clips on youtube..i think you will find your answer.
I would take any of those over a valveking
 
Re: Mistake...Peavey Valveking 112

What do you mean a Marshall is not a good heavy metal amp? What the hell? There are more Marshalls in use than practically anything else.
 
Re: Mistake...Peavey Valveking 112

you can get a 5150 2x12 combo for $500 used. it would be a closed back cab, loud enough for heavy metal, and would get you the tone of the bands that the bands you listed.
 
Re: Mistake...Peavey Valveking 112

alexi uses a rackmount jackson preamp. why not get one, a cheap power amp, and a speaker cab?

the valveking will work. until you post "why is my tube amp sounding like crap, do I need new tubes?"
 
Re: Mistake...Peavey Valveking 112

You can get a smoking deal on something used, don't trade into a music store and get something new from there. Look for a peavey ultra, 5150, or VTM. You can get all those in combo format which is way easier for someone not playing in bands. Also, look for a used laney AOR. All of these are tube which is what you want. With a small combo like this, you might have to replace tubes every 1-2 years depending on how much you play it. All of these will also be better and probably cheaper than any of the other amps you are looking at. Oh and for your old amp, sell it privately, you'll get more money than sending it to a music store.
 
Re: Mistake...Peavey Valveking 112

What do you mean a Marshall is not a good heavy metal amp? What the hell? There are more Marshalls in use than practically anything else.

I mean that one. It's a solid state and it is just not what I'm looking for
 
Re: Mistake...Peavey Valveking 112

Oh I was also thinking, Mike Soldano made an amp for yamaha that is supposed to be just a screamer, forget what it's called but you could do a google search for it. i've seen one in craigslist, it was like 350 bucks for a 50 watt combo, awesome deal
 
Re: Mistake...Peavey Valveking 112

Yeah, break the news gently...tell him that as you upgrade to the marshall, you couldn't believe how good everything sounded, things you use to play just sounded better, and you wanted to know why. And then you found it replicated the sound of a tube amp better than your last amp. Now...go try out a few at guitar center and act amazed at how well your ear is developing. Pick up a few guitars and note the different characteristics the amp allows you to hear, how it helps your playing...then forget about buying new because all of us musicians are poor...therefore we need rent money and sell our gear on craigslist for a fraction of the new price.....even though its just as good, usually well broken in.

I second getting the Laney AOR, look on ebay, I think there are a few combos on it now that might be worth checking out. The 5150 comb0os are even nicer for the newer sounds though, I'd get that before the laney or the valveking. For metal the valveking has only really worked from my experience with active pickups...thats where it shines at least.

Good luck kid!!
 
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Oh I was also thinking, Mike Soldano made an amp for yamaha that is supposed to be just a screamer, forget what it's called but you could do a google search for it. i've seen one in craigslist, it was like 350 bucks for a 50 watt combo, awesome deal

Yamaha T50, T100, and T50C. Poor Man's SLO. Solid amps.
 
Re: Mistake...Peavey Valveking 112

Wow. I have a VK112 and LOVE it. Lots o hate in this thread. I had to avert it's eyes so it wouldn't be so upset.
 
Re: Mistake...Peavey Valveking 112

The Valveking VK112 is a decent amp, but is not without its shortcomings. The clean channel is great. I've heard it described as being similar to a classic Fender clean. I haven't played through many classic Fender amps, so I can't speak to the truth of that, but the clean is nice. The gain channel is another story entirely. In my opinion, the amount of gain to be had becomes too much, too quickly as the gain knob is turned up. It's far too easy to get a thin, noisy, fizzy sound that swallows up the dynamics and details of your playing. Then, when the gain gets turned down to try to get those dynamics and details back and reduce the noisy fizz, it's no longer enough gain for a thick heavy crunch. The volume boost doesn't do anything, and unless you're using vintage out-put pickups, the gain boost doesn't do anything either. Another thing to consider is that at 50W output, even that open-back 1x12 speaker is going to get rather loud, rather quickly. Loud can be good when performing live, but isn't so much for practice.

I have heard of people modifying their ValveKings with different vacuum tubes, different speakers, transformer upgrades and the like, and supposedly these modifications can drastically improve the sound. However, modifying an amp can be a rather expensive way to find your brutal heavy metal sound. The amp itself may only be $200-$300 used, but after a new set of vacuum tubes, a new speaker, a new set of transformers, and other modifications to the amp, you could very well have ended up spending $2000 or more on getting the amp to make the sound you want. That $2000 could have been spent on the purchase of an amp that had a sound you liked to begin with.

If you're set on getting a vacuum tube powered guitar amplifier for some brutal heavy metal distortion sounds, save your pennies, and keep an eye out for deals in your area. Look on Craigslist, used music gear shops, pawn shops and the like. When you think you have found a good deal, take your guitar and play it through that amp and listen, listen, listen to the sound you get. If you spend plenty of time carefully listening to the types of sounds you get through different amplifiers, you'll eventually find a sound you truly love, and that should be the amplifier you buy. You'll know the sound when you hear it. You'll have a huge grin on your face, you'll be feeling all bouncy and giggly and be thinking "Yes! THAT is MY sound." Don't commit to purchasing an amplifier until you have found one that produces that sound.

My recommendation: Keep the MG and multi-fx unit. Learn to tweak it until you get sounds out of it that are satisfying to you. Then work on your chops. Put all of your attention into practice and improving your technique, and save up your money for an amp purchase at a later date. For all I know you could already be an awesome guitar player, but heavy metal is a very technically demanding style to play, and that is part of where it's brutal awesomeness comes from. The better your playing technique, the easier it will be for you to play with a heavy, brutal sound. I'm assuming you're young, I'm guessing in your teens or maybe early 20s? If that's the case, you may very well have more free time on your hands than you realize. Practice for at least few hours every day and your playing will improve by leaps and bounds quickly. Lessons with a professional guitar teacher will help too. It'll take patience and self-discipline, but the results in the end are worth it. Then after a year or two of constant practice, I doubt your dad would be offended when you decide to purchase a high end amp with your own saved up money. And if he asks why you could very honestly tell him that your technique has improved, your style is changing, and you want an amplifier that will let you make the most of that.
 
Re: Mistake...Peavey Valveking 112

The Gain boost ABSOLUTELY does something. On my VK (and since they're mass produced, I can't imagine it's that different than the others out there) it changes the gain from a flabby, loose pile of crap to a tighter, more modern distorted tone, with more high mids and bite. Without that on, IMHO, it sounds like crap. Yours must have been defective or something.
 
Re: Mistake...Peavey Valveking 112

I noticed only a very slight, in my opinion, negligible change from the gain boost on my axes with high output pickups (Ibanez INF4, Duncan JB, Duncan FS). I had to turn the gain way down to hear a difference with the gain boost engaged, and then it was too similar to having the gain knob all the way up to be of any use to me. The only time I noticed a major change in tone with the gain boost engaged was when I used my Chinese stratocaster clone with low-output single coils in it, and again, the result was much too similar to turning the gain knob up. IMO, useless.
 
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Re: Mistake...Peavey Valveking 112

The Gain boost ABSOLUTELY does something. On my VK (and since they're mass produced, I can't imagine it's that different than the others out there) it changes the gain from a flabby, loose pile of crap to a tighter, more modern distorted tone, with more high mids and bite. Without that on, IMHO, it sounds like crap. Yours must have been defective or something.

With the gain boost in, I noticed more treble or perhaps presence with my vk112. ( I keep mine with the gain at 4 with boost in) Any more is useless to me. I modded mine with a em. texas heat, and I must say, big improvement over the peavey speaker! I need to try 12 at7 or 12 au7 pre tubes, though. The fx mod, imo, works well also.
 
Re: Mistake...Peavey Valveking 112

The Valveking VK112 is a decent amp, but is not without its shortcomings. The clean channel is great. I've heard it described as being similar to a classic Fender clean. I haven't played through many classic Fender amps, so I can't speak to the truth of that, but the clean is nice. The gain channel is another story entirely. In my opinion, the amount of gain to be had becomes too much, too quickly as the gain knob is turned up. It's far too easy to get a thin, noisy, fizzy sound that swallows up the dynamics and details of your playing. Then, when the gain gets turned down to try to get those dynamics and details back and reduce the noisy fizz, it's no longer enough gain for a thick heavy crunch. The volume boost doesn't do anything, and unless you're using vintage out-put pickups, the gain boost doesn't do anything either. Another thing to consider is that at 50W output, even that open-back 1x12 speaker is going to get rather loud, rather quickly. Loud can be good when performing live, but isn't so much for practice.

I have heard of people modifying their ValveKings with different vacuum tubes, different speakers, transformer upgrades and the like, and supposedly these modifications can drastically improve the sound. However, modifying an amp can be a rather expensive way to find your brutal heavy metal sound. The amp itself may only be $200-$300 used, but after a new set of vacuum tubes, a new speaker, a new set of transformers, and other modifications to the amp, you could very well have ended up spending $2000 or more on getting the amp to make the sound you want. That $2000 could have been spent on the purchase of an amp that had a sound you liked to begin with.

If you're set on getting a vacuum tube powered guitar amplifier for some brutal heavy metal distortion sounds, save your pennies, and keep an eye out for deals in your area. Look on Craigslist, used music gear shops, pawn shops and the like. When you think you have found a good deal, take your guitar and play it through that amp and listen, listen, listen to the sound you get. If you spend plenty of time carefully listening to the types of sounds you get through different amplifiers, you'll eventually find a sound you truly love, and that should be the amplifier you buy. You'll know the sound when you hear it. You'll have a huge grin on your face, you'll be feeling all bouncy and giggly and be thinking "Yes! THAT is MY sound." Don't commit to purchasing an amplifier until you have found one that produces that sound.

My recommendation: Keep the MG and multi-fx unit. Learn to tweak it until you get sounds out of it that are satisfying to you. Then work on your chops. Put all of your attention into practice and improving your technique, and save up your money for an amp purchase at a later date. For all I know you could already be an awesome guitar player, but heavy metal is a very technically demanding style to play, and that is part of where it's brutal awesomeness comes from. The better your playing technique, the easier it will be for you to play with a heavy, brutal sound. I'm assuming you're young, I'm guessing in your teens or maybe early 20s? If that's the case, you may very well have more free time on your hands than you realize. Practice for at least few hours every day and your playing will improve by leaps and bounds quickly. Lessons with a professional guitar teacher will help too. It'll take patience and self-discipline, but the results in the end are worth it. Then after a year or two of constant practice, I doubt your dad would be offended when you decide to purchase a high end amp with your own saved up money. And if he asks why you could very honestly tell him that your technique has improved, your style is changing, and you want an amplifier that will let you make the most of that.

That might b some of the best advice I've been playin a lil nor than a year an I take lessons. And i practice an hour a day. I think I'm gonna buy a pedal like a metal muff or something, not sure yet, cuz I hate the the effects processor I have.
 
Re: Mistake...Peavey Valveking 112

alexi uses a rackmount jackson preamp. why not get one, a cheap power amp, and a speaker cab?

A Lee Jackson GP-1000 if memory serves... been out of production for over 10 years, unfortunately used prices (at least in europe) put the preamp alone out of the pricerange of a standard combo amp such as a 50dfx, Valveking or Bandit.

I don´t think going over to a rack /cab setup would be easily accomplished on 500 bucks, either.... at least not with decent quality components... unless of course you stay patient and manage to snag a few screamin' deals ;)
 
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Re: Mistake...Peavey Valveking 112

A young guitarist struggling with his first bout of GAS. An initiate going through through his first experience of dissatisfaction with the sound of his current rig. A new pilgrim embarking on the lifelong quest for a guitar tone that truly satisfies.

Welcome to the fraternity, hvymtlgtr! If it's caught you unprepared, let me fill you in. That sense that your current rig is not giving you everything you really want is going to be with you for a long time. It's the drive that keeps us seeking after the tone that truly satisfies. It's the addiction that the mail order gear catalogs and guitar gear chain stores capitalize on. Most of us wrestle with it. We're always upgrading, planning how to finance that amp, guitar or pedal we tried out or read about, convinced that piece of gear is the missing link in the chain, and once we have it, we will attain true tonal nirvana.

As with life, don't get too upset about not having reached your destination. Just enjoy the journey.

i am an amatuer guitarist so give me crap if i sound like an idiot or not know wat im talking about. lol.
Not giving you crap. I just think it's kinda cute that you're right where a lot of us were some time ago. A lot of us are amateur guitarists too. Many of us have just been playing longer (my dad sure as heck doesn't get me amplifiers for Christmas anymore LOL).
I still remember getting my first amp and very quickly realizing I couldn't get hte sound I was after from it. I saved up, got another one, liked it better but still wasn't satisfied. Sold it and got another one... and so it's been to this day, for over 20 years.
 
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