Mixing on a PC?
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supernosher
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Hmm sorry, I failed to recognize that point. I donno if you said you weren't recording or not, and I'm too lazy to look, so I'll just say this:
Cubase is slightly better for mixing.
Having said that the renderer is very weak, so it's a trade-off. I never use MIDI so I don't know about that side of any program, although I hear Ableton live is good for that. Nobody mentioned Samplitude either, but I think it's a very solid program last time I used it.
Hmm sorry, I failed to recognize that point. I donno if you said you weren't recording or not, and I'm too lazy to look, so I'll just say this:
Cubase is slightly better for mixing.
Having said that the renderer is very weak, so it's a trade-off. I never use MIDI so I don't know about that side of any program, although I hear Ableton live is good for that. Nobody mentioned Samplitude either, but I think it's a very solid program last time I used it.
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TheArchitect
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It is NOT shareware. Licenses are required if used. Just because they don't don't cripple it doesn't mean its free.
It is NOT shareware. Licenses are required if used. Just because they don't don't cripple it doesn't mean its free.
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TheArchitect
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Wav files are wave files. Any DAW can work with them. ProTools is common but it is not used exclusively. Cubase, Nuendo, Logic, Samplitude etc are all in common use as well
Wav files are wave files. Any DAW can work with them. ProTools is common but it is not used exclusively. Cubase, Nuendo, Logic, Samplitude etc are all in common use as well
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supernosher
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I said it is shareware, not freeware... Get with the program!
I said it is shareware, not freeware... Get with the program!
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supernosher
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Yah, it will run VST, and DX.
I like Voxengo Elephant HQ, and the mastering plug-in that comes with Mackie Tracktion, but I can't get it to run in anything other than Tracktion, so that sucks. Elephant is a simple limiter, it sounds very transparent. The Tracktion plug-in is a multi-band comp with pre or post EQ, and it adds some "excitement". *(If anyone knows how to get it seperately, please please please let me know.)
Yah, it will run VST, and DX.
I like Voxengo Elephant HQ, and the mastering plug-in that comes with Mackie Tracktion, but I can't get it to run in anything other than Tracktion, so that sucks. Elephant is a simple limiter, it sounds very transparent. The Tracktion plug-in is a multi-band comp with pre or post EQ, and it adds some "excitement". *(If anyone knows how to get it seperately, please please please let me know.)
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TheArchitect
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Its not shareware. Its not a give if you want to arrangement. There are personal and commercial licenses that must be purchased. That is no different than Protools or Cubase which are certainly not shareware.
Its not shareware. Its not a give if you want to arrangement. There are personal and commercial licenses that must be purchased. That is no different than Protools or Cubase which are certainly not shareware.
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supernosher
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They don't call it shareware, but it's basically the same thing. I always thought of shareware as something you should pay for, and freeware as a donate if you want to type deal.
They don't call it shareware, but it's basically the same thing. I always thought of shareware as something you should pay for, and freeware as a donate if you want to type deal.
ex-250
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well this is a handy thread, ive been looking to make an upgrade. ive been using n-track for years, and its...yknow...not the best. kinda buggy at times, and im sure i can find better.
looks like itll be either reaper or cubase 4 essential edition. cause i really cant afford much in the way of this stuff. i feel weird enough spending any money on a **** computer program in the first place. theyre both around the same ($50 and $75, respectively). so..uh...which is better? i dunno if kevorkian was pushing the essential edition or not (probably not, i bet you have the real version. haha)
well this is a handy thread, ive been looking to make an upgrade. ive been using n-track for years, and its...yknow...not the best. kinda buggy at times, and im sure i can find better.
looks like itll be either reaper or cubase 4 essential edition. cause i really cant afford much in the way of this stuff. i feel weird enough spending any money on a **** computer program in the first place. theyre both around the same ($50 and $75, respectively). so..uh...which is better? i dunno if kevorkian was pushing the essential edition or not (probably not, i bet you have the real version. haha)
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supernosher
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cool man, you're in for a treat! I haven't used n-track, but DAWs have come a lawwwng way in the past few years.
cool man, you're in for a treat! I haven't used n-track, but DAWs have come a lawwwng way in the past few years.
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supernosher
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Did you buy it already? I would stay away from PreSonus and USB interfaces.
Did you buy it already? I would stay away from PreSonus and USB interfaces.
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supernosher
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I have a PreSonus TubePre and I've used my brother's PreSonus Firepod. I haven't used like, say a Lavry AD, but from guys who have, they say the consumer level / low-end PreSonus stuff is no good. I agree the TubePre sounds pretty bad. The Firepod is a POS, sounds very thin and breaks easily (connections inside or something)...
The Echo AudioFire is a much more coveted low-end interface. The converters are supposedly very good, and they are firewire interfaces. For 2 mic pre's and 2 line inputs, you have the AudioFire4 which sells for $299.
USB interfaces are just not ideal. Firewire is what anybody serious about recording on a PC or Mac would buy. The main reason is USB uses many more resources, while Firewire is a self-governing interface, which off-loads most of the I/O tasks. Don't buy a USB interface. I wouldn't condone such activity.
I have a PreSonus TubePre and I've used my brother's PreSonus Firepod. I haven't used like, say a Lavry AD, but from guys who have, they say the consumer level / low-end PreSonus stuff is no good. I agree the TubePre sounds pretty bad. The Firepod is a POS, sounds very thin and breaks easily (connections inside or something)...
The Echo AudioFire is a much more coveted low-end interface. The converters are supposedly very good, and they are firewire interfaces. For 2 mic pre's and 2 line inputs, you have the AudioFire4 which sells for $299.
USB interfaces are just not ideal. Firewire is what anybody serious about recording on a PC or Mac would buy. The main reason is USB uses many more resources, while Firewire is a self-governing interface, which off-loads most of the I/O tasks. Don't buy a USB interface. I wouldn't condone such activity.
Virtual Kevorkian
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Nah dude, the converters on the lower-end PreSonus stuff are fine - just stay away from the limiters on the mic pres.
The FirePod is FAR from a POS, and actually has pretty decent converters/pres.
If you're only doing mix work in an untreated enviornment on non-highend monitors, you're not going to notice THAT much of a difference between lowerend PreSonus and upper end Echo or something. Maybe if you jumped up to Benchmark from PreSonus, but otherwise... you're fine.
Nah dude, the converters on the lower-end PreSonus stuff are fine - just stay away from the limiters on the mic pres.
The FirePod is FAR from a POS, and actually has pretty decent converters/pres.
If you're only doing mix work in an untreated enviornment on non-highend monitors, you're not going to notice THAT much of a difference between lowerend PreSonus and upper end Echo or something. Maybe if you jumped up to Benchmark from PreSonus, but otherwise... you're fine.
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supernosher
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But why steer someone in the wrong direction? A simple anology is this:
Anyone is fine with a new Squire, but isn't a used Schecter the better choice?
But why steer someone in the wrong direction? A simple anology is this:
Anyone is fine with a new Squire, but isn't a used Schecter the better choice?
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supernosher
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certain chipsets are not suitable for DAWs. The TI chipset is the only one that works well, AFAIK.
certain chipsets are not suitable for DAWs. The TI chipset is the only one that works well, AFAIK.
Virtual Kevorkian
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Because the Echo isn't any better than the PreSonus - it's just a different kind of low-end. A used Schecter costs about twice as much, but is 10x better than a Squier. An M-Audio unit like he's talking, without the software it includes, is half the price of the Echo, and delivers 95% of the performance.
The chipset argument goes on both sides, but the real reason a lot of Windows users have a problem with FireWire is because Windows treats it as a network connection. You'll actually get pops and crackles in your recorded audio if you record at the same time you have a wireless card turned on.
Because the Echo isn't any better than the PreSonus - it's just a different kind of low-end. A used Schecter costs about twice as much, but is 10x better than a Squier. An M-Audio unit like he's talking, without the software it includes, is half the price of the Echo, and delivers 95% of the performance.
The chipset argument goes on both sides, but the real reason a lot of Windows users have a problem with FireWire is because Windows treats it as a network connection. You'll actually get pops and crackles in your recorded audio if you record at the same time you have a wireless card turned on.
