Modelers anyone?

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JollyRoger523 said:
I have an old DOD FX7 I got back when I was still somewhat new to guitar. Years later I won a drunken eBay bid on a Digitech RP7. I used the DOD quite a bit for a few years, and played around a lot with the Digitech but never spent the time to really set up any good patches.

They both had some OK sounds and were nice to try different effects. However I upgraded amps and realized how much better it sounded. Every once and a while I pull one of the multi-effects back out and piece together some crazy sounds. I'm sure the newer technology has really improved the sound quality of such devices over the ones from back then.
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Honestly I have a buddies RP500 and it's nice and all. However, my older GNX-4 and Mustang Floor tear it to pieces with the sounds. Could be because I have never really sat down to go through it and create anything either, but I don't have a lot of time to do that anymore lol.
 
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Brandenburg said:
i dont have or use a modeller amp/pedal but I do use a modeller PC program as my main go-to practice amp

Guitar Rig 4 f*kin rocks.. I put on my headphones.. set the drum programs pattern/tempo and im in heaven. I really need to get another interface soon though.. My latency is extremely small and if there is any latency/lag , I cant tell.. my interface is a tad noisy at times and it can be quite quirky.. Not the interfaces fault as its just showing its age


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Yes, but it seems like you're a bit of a computer nerd to me lol. Don't take that offensive. I have tried some of the computer simulators as well and never could get it to do what I wanted, probably because I should rename my profile EL CHEAPO. If you know what I mean. I mainly use my modeler and run it into GarageBand on my iPad to any recordings that I upload.
 
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I've owned a bunch of digital sims dating back to the Digitech RP-1 I got back in '93 and the Line 6 AX2 2x12 I got in '99.

At this point, I'm pretty much all digital (got one tube amp left to sell) including
  • AxeFx II
  • Atomic Amplifire (currently my main live rig)
  • Blackstar ID60
  • Zoom G5
I'll probably pull the trigger on a Helix when it comes out.

After going through a bunch of nice tube amps (Soldano, Rivera, Two Rock), I got tired of having to crank them to hearing-damaging levels to get them to sound great. I got tired of hauling a head, 2x12 and pedalboard. I got tired of humidity and line voltage messing with my sound.

Now I have a setup that fits in the trunk of my MINI (as shown below), is consistent from gig to gig, and can be as loud or as quiet as I want/need. The item in the bottom left corner of my trunk is a 1000W QSC powered speaker that's loud as can be. I generally leave it at home because most places my band plays offer individual monitor mixes. As a result, my gig setup time is about about 120 seconds and that includes tuning.


 
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guitarSQUIRELL said:
Yes, but it seems like you're a bit of a computer nerd to me lol. Don't take that offensive. I have tried some of the computer simulators as well and never could get it to do what I wanted, probably because I should rename my profile EL CHEAPO. If you know what I mean. I mainly use my modeler and run it into GarageBand on my iPad to any recordings that I upload.
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computer nerd ? lol yeah a tad...

it took a bit of tweaking to get GR4 to work right.. now when i installed rocksmith.. its like WTF.. took forever and much googlin to get it an acceptable level.. guitar rig i get 0 lag.. rocksmith.. not much but i can tell it isnt quite right

i generally just try to get 2 cleans.. a distortion or 2..and perhaps a few patches with some flange.. delay.. perhaps an octaver.. seriously.. i use the patch i call "distortion-lead" for my go-to distortion.. it just sounds so damn creamy/smooth sounding to my ears.. Just need to buy another interface
 
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DrNewcenstein said:
I've had the Line6 M13 for a little over a year or so and I do like it, but I'm still learning how to use it.


I also need to see if there's a way to link multiple changes to one button, so I can turn on the crunch while turning off the chorus and delay at the same time. I really don't want to use a MIDI controller for a pedalboard :lol:

My Dream Board would be a multi-fx floor unit that had every BOSS pedal that sounded identical to having the individual pedals, as there's always something noticeably different between separate units vs multi-fx units - I'm guessing the input buffers and output stages? You wouldn't need those with a multi-fx unit between effects. I imagine if they did have them, you'd get a "better" tone. Maybe if the buffer effects between modules could be toggled on/off.
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The old Roland GP100 had almost every boss pedal included, and each one sounded pretty close to the individual pedals. bTW, you can switch combinations of effects on the M13 by switching between scenes.
 
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Little Pigbacon said:
I wonder how a Vox ToneLab would compare with what's available right now. For tone, it was the best modeler I've tried so far. It wasn't really software-based, so it had limited options. This was fine with me, as it was practically stuck on "80's UK".
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I have a ToneLab LE that I love, the only issue was trying to get the output volume between settings to remain at the same level.
 
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I have a second generation Vox/Korg tonelab (1 pedal). Works well. Lacks routing options.
 
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Back in the day, when the "power" section of my rig was a Tascam mixer>Crown amp>Yamaha NS1000 Studio Monitors, my modeler of choice was my good ole Johnson J-Station. Killer little unit. I would also run a Line6 Pod, and a Digitech RP2000. Still have 'em all. Honorable mention also to my Yamaha MagicStomp MKII, which I still use purely as a "plate" reverb in my H&K.

But now, I tend to run into "real" amps. Either my H&K or my Bogner. I'm not putting those other systems down. (Still love 'em all.) It's just where I'm at now.
 
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MagicStomp is an epic/underrated piece of kit.

I've heard tons of good things about the J-Station but never played one.
 
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aleclee said:
I've owned a bunch of digital sims dating back to the Digitech RP-1 I got back in '93 and the Line 6 AX2 2x12 I got in '99.

At this point, I'm pretty much all digital (got one tube amp left to sell) including
  • AxeFx II
  • Atomic Amplifire (currently my main live rig)
  • Blackstar ID60
  • Zoom G5
I'll probably pull the trigger on a Helix when it comes out.

After going through a bunch of nice tube amps (Soldano, Rivera, Two Rock), I got tired of having to crank them to hearing-damaging levels to get them to sound great. I got tired of hauling a head, 2x12 and pedalboard. I got tired of humidity and line voltage messing with my sound.

Now I have a setup that fits in the trunk of my MINI (as shown below), is consistent from gig to gig, and can be as loud or as quiet as I want/need. The item in the bottom left corner of my trunk is a 1000W QSC powered speaker that's loud as can be. I generally leave it at home because most places my band plays offer individual monitor mixes. As a result, my gig setup time is about about 120 seconds and that includes tuning.


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So what's in the gig bag on the left that appears to have been folded just about the 15th fret? :lol:


Mincer said:
The old Roland GP100 had almost every boss pedal included, and each one sounded pretty close to the individual pedals. bTW, you can switch combinations of effects on the M13 by switching between scenes.
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Hmm. Didn't think of that. I've been working within one scene so far, trying to figure out the best way to set them up for my needs. I think the M13 has a max of 12 scenes? 4 groups and 3 scenes per group? I only glanced at the manual (hey it's a pedal, it I need the manual.... :lol: ) I've only poked around the preset scenes a little bit, haven't tried to incorporate them into a "live set" so to speak.

I know that when you save a scene, whatever pedals are active when you save it will be auto-activated whenever you go to that scene. However, suppose you have a different set of pedals active in a given scene, then change scenes, then come back to it; will the last pedals you had active still be active or will it go back to whatever was active when you saved the scene? I'd assume it'd reload the preset you saved.
In that case, I can see where 12 scenes could be a bit limiting if you've got a cover band that does a wide range of stuff.
 
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aleclee said:
I've owned a bunch of digital sims dating back to the Digitech RP-1 I got back in '93 and the Line 6 AX2 2x12 I got in '99.

At this point, I'm pretty much all digital (got one tube amp left to sell) including
  • AxeFx II
  • Atomic Amplifire (currently my main live rig)
  • Blackstar ID60
  • Zoom G5
I'll probably pull the trigger on a Helix when it comes out.

After going through a bunch of nice tube amps (Soldano, Rivera, Two Rock), I got tired of having to crank them to hearing-damaging levels to get them to sound great. I got tired of hauling a head, 2x12 and pedalboard. I got tired of humidity and line voltage messing with my sound.

Now I have a setup that fits in the trunk of my MINI (as shown below), is consistent from gig to gig, and can be as loud or as quiet as I want/need. The item in the bottom left corner of my trunk is a 1000W QSC powered speaker that's loud as can be. I generally leave it at home because most places my band plays offer individual monitor mixes. As a result, my gig setup time is about about 120 seconds and that includes tuning.


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This is why we have pickup trucks down south lol...no offense..Nice and compact setup though
 
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aleclee said:
I've owned a bunch of digital sims dating back to the Digitech RP-1 I got back in '93 and the Line 6 AX2 2x12 I got in '99.

At this point, I'm pretty much all digital (got one tube amp left to sell) including
  • AxeFx II
  • Atomic Amplifire (currently my main live rig)
  • Blackstar ID60
  • Zoom G5
I'll probably pull the trigger on a Helix when it comes out.

After going through a bunch of nice tube amps (Soldano, Rivera, Two Rock), I got tired of having to crank them to hearing-damaging levels to get them to sound great. I got tired of hauling a head, 2x12 and pedalboard. I got tired of humidity and line voltage messing with my sound.

Now I have a setup that fits in the trunk of my MINI (as shown below), is consistent from gig to gig, and can be as loud or as quiet as I want/need. The item in the bottom left corner of my trunk is a 1000W QSC powered speaker that's loud as can be. I generally leave it at home because most places my band plays offer individual monitor mixes. As a result, my gig setup time is about about 120 seconds and that includes tuning.


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guitarSQUIRELL said:
This is why we have pickup trucks down south lol...no offense..Nice and compact setup though
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Looks a lot like mine;

Carvin PM15A
either a modeling pedal (GNX3000)
or my Joyo American Pedal (A "Character Style" Clone)
and guitar or bass as the gig requires

oh and I have a truck (Tundra)

I just load the back of my Nissan Versa Hatchback
cause it gets such great gas mileage

plus if I take the Truck the drummer always wants a ride home



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Hey Jerry

I promised next time I'm out that way I was bringing my "Rig"
this is what it'll probably be
 
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Have used in the past:

Vox Valvetronix (blue, does 'Marshall' better than current Marshall, sounds like standing in front of a good amp)
Line6 Flextone (sounds like a recording of a good amp)

Currently use
Tech21 SansAmp PSA-1 (sounds like standing in front of a good amp)
 
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I was on Guitar Rig 3, then 4 a long time on PC. Outstanding programs, but you have to learn to tweak them right. As a bonus, when I bought real amps again, I was able to dial in everything faster and better because of the experience with Guitar Rig. I gave up the PC recording for awhile though to switch to hardware based old school stuff (just for change of pace after 14 years multitracking on PC) and the only modelers I use now is Bias Amp and Bias FX or Jamup Pro (integrates with Bias Amp) on ipad or my digitech rp360xp. The Bias Amp stuff is pretty awesome. RP360XP is awesome for classic rock and cleans, but not fond of high gain stuff even with a lot of tweaking. I have an AMT D2 preamp that is a JFET built modeler, modeling only two amps - Fender Twin cleans and Diezel VH4 dirt channel. It is a great preamp I run into fx return on my Peavey vkii 20mh head (into tube power anp with reverb)
 
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Amp models are a critical part of my writing workflow.
Once the song is written I reamp the traditional way, however.
 
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I absolutely love my Korg Toneworks AX3000G. Once I figured it out, the thing really blew me away and is kinda ahead of its time, if you ask me. It's perfect for late night jamming and worked great as an inexpensive preamp and effects solution for my acoustic-electric. Definitely will give it a try for effects only with my Marshall AVT275 2x12.uploadfromtaptalk1440701058958.jpg
 
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beaubrummels said:
Have used in the past:

Vox Valvetronix (blue, does 'Marshall' better than current Marshall, sounds like standing in front of a good amp)
Line6 Flextone (sounds like a recording of a good amp)

Currently use
Tech21 SansAmp PSA-1 (sounds like standing in front of a good amp)
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That blue Valvetronix 2x12 combo, with the Neodog speakers, was fantastic.
 
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