Modifications on RG321MH

waltschwarzkopf

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Hi guys,

I recently bought an (almost new) RG321MH (http://ibanez.wikia.com/wiki/RG321MH), it looks great, it plays great and it sounds great. The reasons that I bought this guitar were because a needed a guitar with 24 frets and a fixed bridge (I had an old Rocket Special HSS with 21 frets and 6-point tremolo). Another reason to buy it was in order to have a guitar to play while I was modifying one of the two.
These are the ideas I have in mind in order of priority and ease:

1. Remove tone control:

Why? I never use it and it’s always on 10, plus I can change the sound with the EQ of the amp if I need it, which I almost never touch. Moreover, I’ve read that removing the tone control gives a better sound and you can hear each note better while using distortion. Read here: (https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showthread.php?169773-Removing-tone-pot-WOW!) I’ve noticed that when I use a lot of gain the notes kind-of get lost, with my other guitar (where the humbucker is not connected to the tone) the notes sound a bit more clear. Therefore, the tone is going! The question is what to install there?

I could either leave the pot disconnected as a dummy and to cover the hole.
Or install a kill-switch, just for fun, because I may not use it much.
No coil splitting, as I don’t like the sound of single coils alone.
Or install a second volume but only for the neck pickup, leaving the other as master.

This last one just occurred to me as a friend once showed me that lowering the neck volume on his Les Paul and keeping the bridge volume high allowed him to clean and soften the sound for chords on neck position while having volume and gain on the bridge for soloing.
Since I play mostly lead and am picking all the time, I don’t want separate controls. I need a master volume (close to pickups, so I can operate it with my pinky fast enough) to be able to regulate the volume on any switch position. And then the second volume (away from the pickups) may be useful to clean up the sound if I’m ever playing chords and suddenly need to solo and need volume and gain. Something like my pal showed me. What do you think?


2. Rewire pickups:

Why? This is pretty simple, as most HH passive RGs the 5-way switch act as follows (from neck to bridge)
1. Neck humbucker in series
2. Neck humbucker in parallel
3. Both humbuckers in parallel
4. Inner coils in parallel
5. Bridge humbucker in series

I don’t really like the sound of two humbucker together, as four coils at the same time gives a lot of sound, which is neither bridge nor neck. Therefore, I wanted to keep positions 1-2-5 as they are, move 4 to 3, and wire the bridge in parallel for position 4. Therefore:

1. Neck humbucker in series
2. Neck humbucker in parallel
3. Inner coils in parallel
4. Bridge humbucker in parallel
5. Bridge humbucker in series

What do you think? Have you done something like that? I will look up some diagrams, but it shouldn’t be too hard.


3. Direct mount pickups:

I know there are many different opinions as whether it gives more sustain and/or sounds better. I think it looks nicer and if I notice an improvement in the sound, great. If not, it will still look as nice and may not affect negatively. What do you think?


4. Relocate output jack:

Why? I never liked the jack position of the RG, Tele, Les Paul or anything that goes straight down. It gets on the way if you’re playing sitting down, as Vai said “if you step on the cable you pull the plug from your guitar”, and even if you pass the cable through the strap, the plug is bent and will eventually break. I am aware of an invention called the L-shape (or angled) plug, but I don’t like it. Strat’s or S series type are good, but Steve Vai or Satriani’s guitars have them best.

I saw a guy that already did it (probably many have), and it looked great and did not seem too difficult. Read: (http://homerecording.com/bbs/equipment-forums/guitars-and-basses/ibanez-switch-vol-pot-mod-277421/
http://www.jemsite.com/forums/f21/can-i-move-my-input-jack-108512.html)
Basically, all that is needed is to drill perpendicularly to the actual jack, with different drill bit sizes to make room for the guide, cables, jack and plug and have this this slightly stepped-down shape. Thankfully, I have access to a drill press and I can try to fix the guitar in position and slowly drill through the side, right at the center and at 90deg from the jack. (Easier said than done.) What do you think?


5. Replace bridge:

Why? Maybe will feel/play better? Perhaps more sustain?
The version that I have comes with a Fixed Bridge (http://ibanez.wikia.com/wiki/Fixed_Bridge) which is fine, simple and does the job ok. However, I think the Gibraltar Standard (http://ibanez.wikia.com/wiki/Gibraltar_Standard) or the Tight-End R (http://ibanez.wikia.com/wiki/Tight-End_R) look better (IMO) and may sound better. Since the Tight-End R has a lot of mass and a tighter contact with the body, it may also increase sustain a bit. I know these are OEM, but I saw them on eBay new from Indonesia for about $50, which seems ok. I know a lot of Ibanez are made in Indonesia, so these may be spares, hopefully not defects that did not pass the QC.
What do you think? Have you played all three (or two) bridges? Have you noticed a difference in playing/feel/sustain?


6. Monkey grip

Stupid? YES
Unnecessary? YES
Total rip-off of Steve Vai’s signature? YES
WHY DO IT? Because I like it! I still remember the first time (almost 20 years ago) when I saw a beautiful all-white JEM with the monkey grip and I was completely amazed. I tried a used JEM-JR (black) at a local shop the other day and holding the guitar from the monkey grip felt extremely cool! Why not buy a signature? There is only ONE (01) JEM model with a fixed bridge (discontinued). I found one on eBay for over $1300, which I cannot afford, nor need/want. It will be cheaper to do it (if I ever) and with the money I save I can do many very nice upgrades. I saw a tutorial on how to do it (http://www.projectguitar.com/tutorials/instrument-building/jem-style-monkey-grip-handle-r41/) I will try it on a piece of wood and see how hard it is, how good it looks and feel and maybe then try it on the guitar.


7. Custom paint

Why? No real reason needed here, just to make it look nicer, different, and unique; and after all those holes, she will be grateful to get a new paint job! I was thinking in a multi-coloured pattern. This is very ironic, as all of my guitars and basses have always been black AND I am colour-blind. Nevertheless, whenever I see a guitar with many colours, I feel instantly attracted. I was thinking something like the John Petrucci JPM100 (http://ibanez.wikia.com/wiki/JPM100).
I know that for this I need to completely strip the body and sand the paint off, prime it, paint it and then reassemble carefully not to mess up the new paint job.

Well, that is a lot longer than I expected… (That’s what she said!) Sorry, pun intended.
Now seriously, these are my ideas for my guitar, which I think, will look good and may improve the sound. I’d really appreciate your opinion and comment on my ideas to see if they a good or stupid and your experience on similar mods.

Thanks a lot for reading and for your advice,
Sorry for the long post!
Cheers,
Walter

Note: I’m not planning on installing new pickups yet. I want to try this mods first, and when I really feel that I need new and better pickups, I’ll do it.
P.S. If you live in Zürich and want to get together and jam, send me a PM.
 
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If you're taking out your tone pot, why not widen the hole and put your jack there. No need to drill another hole.
 
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If you want to be a bit more radical, you could also use the spare tone pot space for a preamp of sorts.
Even more so since you seem to like the transparency of the guitar tone without the tone pot load, and active electronics should help preserve that a bit further.
There's some very inexpensive preamp packages with boost and EQ alterations.

Check this out for reference: http://www.guitarfetish.com/Active-Preamps_c_51.html
 
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I think you will need a super switch to get those pickup configurations

That's what I did with my RG2EX1 which is a basswood bodied version of yours

A set of triple shot rings for pickup variations
A super switch with
Neck pu
Neck and bridge in series but out of phase
Neck and bridge in parallel , normal mid position
Neck and bridge in series , sounds like one big pickup
Bridge pu

If I set it to neck and bridge in series and split one pickup
It fakes a tele really well
 
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You shoulda gotten a Jem, at least a 505 or Junior if you want to go cheap.

Direct mounting the pickups would make your guitar look ugly cause the cavities originally routed for ring-mounting are too large to not be noticable. It would look like Van Halen's home made red-white stripe guitar.

I have a fixed RG32 with a Gibraltar. I don't notice or realize any improvement to the tone and I don't f**cking care. The bridge looks tough as nail sure but it is kinda too wide. I like the regular one better. The advantage is you can install your strings either from the back of the body or from the top. It's just a matter of preference.
 
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If you're taking out your tone pot, why not widen the hole and put your jack there. No need to drill another hole.

This is an EXCELLENT idea, it just didn't occur to me. I'll definitely do this if I don't go for the slave volume option.
 
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If you want to be a bit more radical, you could also use the spare tone pot space for a preamp of sorts...

Thanks for the idea, I was looking at them and I like the fact that you can connect headphones or have different distortion types, I'll see if I can fit a battery in the cavity.
 
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I think you will need a super switch to get those pickup configurations

I'm not sure about that, as position 4 already exists and will be only moved to position 3. And my new position 4 is basically position 2 but for the bridge pickup.
 
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You shoulda gotten a Jem...
I don't want a JEM, I did try a JEM-JR (black) one but I didn't like th feel of the neck, the laquer made my hand stick to it. Also, I prefer fixed bridges and HH pickup configuration. For what is worth, I've always like EVH Frankenstart look ;)
I may go for the Tight-End R instead of the Gibraltar, more mass, looks better and I always prefer strings through the body.
 
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I'm not sure about that, as position 4 already exists and will be only moved to position 3. And my new position 4 is basically position 2 but for the bridge pickup.

the Ibanez 5 way switch isn't really the same as typical 5-ways or even super switches. You may or may not even be able to get what you want out of it. Do some research and try to figure out if it is even possible.

How are you with electronics?
 
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I'm not sure about that, as position 4 already exists and will be only moved to position 3. And my new position 4 is basically position 2 but for the bridge pickup.

Depends on how the switch is configured
Combinations aren't easily moved round like that

But good luck
Holler back on wiring the super switch
 
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The Gibraltar Standard bridges are nothing special. Can't speak for the Tight End R, but the cosmo black finish on the Gibraltars doesn't seem to be very heavy duty. The cosmo stuff on the non-Gotoh Ibanez hardware doesn't seem as resistant as the Gotoh stuff. TBH, I'd just look into a Gotoh bridge if you're wanting to replace it, personally.
 
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I'd just sell the Ibanez and find a hardtail HH Charvel that already has a single volume, and no tone. Then if it has a 3 way toggle, I'd go with a Freeway Switch or of it's a blade, I'd go with a Super Switch.
 
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Reading the imminent radical modifications again makes me think he bought the wrong guitar in the first place. It's like buying a family station wagon and try to convert it into a hot-rodded street racer...lol.
 
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Reading the imminent radical modifications again makes me think he bought the wrong guitar in the first place. It's like buying a family station wagon and try to convert it into a hot-rodded street racer...lol.

Those old wood sided wagons are the definition of rat rods
 
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Hi guys, thanks for your comments,

I did not buy the wrong guitar, I had an old Marshall Rocket Special that just didn't do it for me anymore. I needed 24 frets (instead of 21), a hardtail bridge (instead of 6-point tremolo) and HH pickups (instead of HSS). This is the best I could find for the little money I wanted to pay, that is why I bought an used RG instead of a new GIO. If I get tired of it or outgrow it, I'll consider a 500€ or 1000€ or 2000€ Ibanez, if I ever feel the need of it.

I think the guitar plays great and sounds great too, I'm very happy with it. Then why mod it? "If it ain't broken, don't fix it!" Right? I just want to try some mods for experience and for the personal satisfaction of doing something and getting good results out of it. I know some mods are not need, or too radical or just plain stupid (i.e. Monkey grip). I just wanted to get your opinion and maybe some ideas. I still have my old guitar, that I will use to experiment and mod before doing it on the newer one.

(6-7-4-5) Monkey grip, paint job and even relocating the jack are a long shot and will probably wait a while before I seriously think about doing them. Even just replacing the bridge, the current one is great and has the intonation perfectly spot on! I just wanted to change it because I like looks of the others. Like someone already said, it may change the sound to something I don't like, it could happen.

(1-3-2) I may remove the tone pot right away, to see what happens and it's complete reversible in about 5 minutes. Direct mounting is a bit more complex and may attempt it when I change the strings, still would use the rings to cover up the holes and avoid the "unfinished" look. Rewiring the pickups is something I might do a bit later, right now I'm only using positions 1 & 5, that's either humbucker in series, mainly with dirty tones. If I need a clean tone, I change it on the amp. When I need to change from dirty to clean quickly while I'm playing, I'll see which positions (2 or 4) would allow me to do it. And after trying the different pickup combinations and volume settings, I'll try rewiring the pickups and using a slave volume for the parallel/split combinations (if possible).

Thanks again and relax guys, I'm not going to destroy the guitar by suddenly drilling holes on the body to do a hack-job monkey grip fail-attempt. lol


the Ibanez 5 way switch isn't really the same as typical 5-ways or even super switches...
I'm good with a soldering Iron, ok with electronics, I understand pickups, but still get lost on how switches work. Still reading a lot to understand them before messing up.

I'd just sell the Ibanez and find a hardtail HH Charvel...
Don't like them, they look liked souped-up more expensive Fenders.

Reading the imminent radical modifications again makes me think he bought the wrong guitar...
I don't agree. Why buy any car or motorcycle (or whatever) and try to customize it or improve it? Have you ever modified anything? If so, why did you do it?
 
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So I've tried your wiring mod on an RG3120 running Dimarzio EJ Customs. Maybe it's the low output and twangy pickups but I didn't think the humbuckers in parallel did jack **** at all, other than lowering the output. The stock Ibanez wiring has the neck parallel option and this guitar used to have PAF Pro in the neck and... well... I thought it was kind of cool on a PAF Pro for that extra twang but it wasn't anything to write home about for me. I think it just highly depends on what pickups you have installed.

I'm getting a Megaswitch P from StewMac and I'm VERY interested in the wiring option with that: it's supposed to be like the PRS Rotary Switch wiring http://www.stewmac.com/How-To/Onlin...lectronics_and_Wiring/P-Model_Megaswitch.html

I would say you certainly get a whole lot more variety of tones with all those crazy combined split options, as I remember the stock Ibanez wiring I wasn't crazy about the both humbuckers in series sound on an RG (cool on a Les Paul for some reason). I LOVE the inner coils in parallel sound, and I can see the outter coils would give it that interesting Tele style sound too.

Just my 2 cents
 
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Thanks a lot for the idea! I might try that one too, as the outer and inner coils soundd like a promising option. What you tried installing separate volume pots? Or even better, a slave volume for the neck PU only?
 
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