MetalManiac
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Re: MONSTER CABLE: Any Good? scam??? lol NAD $80 powercord!
MONSTER CABLE: Any Good? scam??? lol NAD $80 powercord!
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alteredbeast
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Re: MONSTER CABLE: Any Good? scam??? lol NAD $80 powercord!
no.
no.
trevorus
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Re: MONSTER CABLE: Any Good? scam??? lol NAD $80 powercord!
That's not speaker cable. That's instrument cable, and they're using capacitance as a quantifiable measurement of the differences, which does have an impact on the sound coming out of your guitar. But with a guitar, your impedance, cable capacitance, and all that matters because we are talking about millivolts of electricity. You have 120 volts and some significant amperage coming out of your wall, and tiny changes have immeasurably close to zero impact. Considering the filtering in the power supply of an amplifier, there is no difference whatsoever between a clean IEC cable of normal quality and your ridiculously expensive snake oil cable.
You can talk all you want about subjective tests and all the BS, and spend all the money you want on cable marketing, but don't try to posit your opinion as fact.
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That's not speaker cable. That's instrument cable, and they're using capacitance as a quantifiable measurement of the differences, which does have an impact on the sound coming out of your guitar. But with a guitar, your impedance, cable capacitance, and all that matters because we are talking about millivolts of electricity. You have 120 volts and some significant amperage coming out of your wall, and tiny changes have immeasurably close to zero impact. Considering the filtering in the power supply of an amplifier, there is no difference whatsoever between a clean IEC cable of normal quality and your ridiculously expensive snake oil cable.
You can talk all you want about subjective tests and all the BS, and spend all the money you want on cable marketing, but don't try to posit your opinion as fact.
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everdrone
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Re: MONSTER CABLE: Any Good? scam??? lol NAD $80 powercord!
I have the monster pro 1000 speaker cable and instrument cable
rare, but here is a comparison of power cords, I am listening with my KRK 10" powered subwoofer as he compares the power cord cables, I leave it up to the listener to decide:
I have the monster pro 1000 speaker cable and instrument cable
rare, but here is a comparison of power cords, I am listening with my KRK 10" powered subwoofer as he compares the power cord cables, I leave it up to the listener to decide:
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everdrone
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Re: MONSTER CABLE: Any Good? scam??? lol NAD $80 powercord!
I too am now respectfully bowing out of this thread
trevorus
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Re: MONSTER CABLE: Any Good? scam??? lol NAD $80 powercord!
The thread you started. Ok. That bassist video is so easy to explain, it's almost laughable. Playing bass nearly as long as I have played guitar, I recognize what the difference is. Notice where he's plucking the string. First clip is right over the neck pickup, so the tone will be rounder. Second he moves his hand about 1/4-1/2" toward the bridge, brightening it up. Just the placebo effect of a cable he wants to sound better can make you play differently.
Ever used a Ouija board? Penn and Teller have a great little show they did on that.
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I too am now respectfully bowing out of this thread
The thread you started. Ok. That bassist video is so easy to explain, it's almost laughable. Playing bass nearly as long as I have played guitar, I recognize what the difference is. Notice where he's plucking the string. First clip is right over the neck pickup, so the tone will be rounder. Second he moves his hand about 1/4-1/2" toward the bridge, brightening it up. Just the placebo effect of a cable he wants to sound better can make you play differently.
Ever used a Ouija board? Penn and Teller have a great little show they did on that.
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MetalManiac
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Re: MONSTER CABLE: Any Good? scam??? lol NAD $80 powercord!
Look, I don't know about flying shoes. My only point is that if Einstein were alive, and he played electric guitar, that he would use a premium Monster power cable and a power conditioner. I really have nothing more to add.
Look, I don't know about flying shoes. My only point is that if Einstein were alive, and he played electric guitar, that he would use a premium Monster power cable and a power conditioner. I really have nothing more to add.
trevorus
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Re: MONSTER CABLE: Any Good? scam??? lol NAD $80 powercord!
I think Einstein would know better.
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I think Einstein would know better.
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Phantasmagoria
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Re: MONSTER CABLE: Any Good? scam??? lol NAD $80 powercord!
I would'nt drop $80 on a monster Power cord...but I do know there's a difference when wire gauge increases.
The first thing I do when I buy an amp is change the stock (18 gauge) power cords to server-grade 14 gauge off ebay (does'nt break the bank)....the difference in feel & sound is very obvious. Mids open up, everything sounds smoother/thicker & bass is extended. It's not a subtle difference. Not sure whether there's scinece behind it or not..but in the end I don't really care.
I would'nt drop $80 on a monster Power cord...but I do know there's a difference when wire gauge increases.
The first thing I do when I buy an amp is change the stock (18 gauge) power cords to server-grade 14 gauge off ebay (does'nt break the bank)....the difference in feel & sound is very obvious. Mids open up, everything sounds smoother/thicker & bass is extended. It's not a subtle difference. Not sure whether there's scinece behind it or not..but in the end I don't really care.
GoldenVulture
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Re: MONSTER CABLE: Any Good? scam??? lol NAD $80 powercord!
" Golden Ears "; this argument started back in the 50's.
" Golden Ears "; this argument started back in the 50's.
Phantasmagoria
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Re: MONSTER CABLE: Any Good? scam??? lol NAD $80 powercord!
I probably would'nt be able to tell the difference through the clean channel (hardly use it) or at really high volumes (again, most of the time I play at low/bedroom levels)..but yes, at levels (& with the sound) I'm familiar with...the difference is pretty obvious.
Golden ears? ...maybe
I probably would'nt be able to tell the difference through the clean channel (hardly use it) or at really high volumes (again, most of the time I play at low/bedroom levels)..but yes, at levels (& with the sound) I'm familiar with...the difference is pretty obvious.
Golden ears? ...maybe
Re: MONSTER CABLE: Any Good? scam??? lol NAD $80 powercord!
I have a question, i was thinking about all this wire gauge thing in terms of power cables & well, there's supposed to be a fuse in there that protects against current overload. That fuse itself is inbetween the main connection for protection purposes, but that fuse has a really thin wire inside it. So then even if you went a gauge or two thicker on the power cable, wouldn't the fuse degrade the effect if any? lol
My house voltage varies throughtout the day, sometimes it's 10V lower sometimes 20V higher. Depending on that I've noticed my amp's bias value varies as well because the plate voltage tends to change. When that happens the amp sounds/feels different as well obviously. I guess when the prices of the 'online UPS' units start dropping somewhere in the future I'll be finally able to enjoy a steady pure AC voltage by using one of those for my amp, they'd have to miniaturize it as well though lol
I have a question, i was thinking about all this wire gauge thing in terms of power cables & well, there's supposed to be a fuse in there that protects against current overload. That fuse itself is inbetween the main connection for protection purposes, but that fuse has a really thin wire inside it. So then even if you went a gauge or two thicker on the power cable, wouldn't the fuse degrade the effect if any? lol
My house voltage varies throughtout the day, sometimes it's 10V lower sometimes 20V higher. Depending on that I've noticed my amp's bias value varies as well because the plate voltage tends to change. When that happens the amp sounds/feels different as well obviously. I guess when the prices of the 'online UPS' units start dropping somewhere in the future I'll be finally able to enjoy a steady pure AC voltage by using one of those for my amp, they'd have to miniaturize it as well though lol
CTN
The Drama Dude
Re: MONSTER CABLE: Any Good? scam??? lol NAD $80 powercord!
ok let's be a bit more scientific now...
Your amp cares what quality (signal consistency, appropriate voltage, not spiking all over the place) of electricity it receives in order to operate.
It does not care how it gets that electricity, as long as whatever cable you're using is capable of carrying the required voltage/current of your amp without shorting out.
Generally that means that any standard IEC cable that is in good condition is pretty much equivalent to any other cable. But a power conditioner is important and quality/price matters.
ok let's be a bit more scientific now...
Your amp cares what quality (signal consistency, appropriate voltage, not spiking all over the place) of electricity it receives in order to operate.
It does not care how it gets that electricity, as long as whatever cable you're using is capable of carrying the required voltage/current of your amp without shorting out.
Generally that means that any standard IEC cable that is in good condition is pretty much equivalent to any other cable. But a power conditioner is important and quality/price matters.
That90'sGuy
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Re: MONSTER CABLE: Any Good? scam??? lol NAD $80 powercord!
You could definitely look into getting a voltage regulator if your voltage is that inconsistent at the house. Honestly, I haven't noticed much, if any, fluctuation at my own.
A good friend of mine who is an ATC dealer as well as a professional recording engineer swore by fancy power cables. He got me turned onto Belden's microphone cable and I really love those (and custom made him a ton over the years, too), so we decided to do an experiment. I took some really expensive Belden cable and splurged on Furutech ends. Just making it alone cost a few hundred to do. The result? Subtle. I noticed a slight high and low extension, but it was only slight. It was from that point on that I focus on the places where you hear the biggest differences: speaker cable (HUGE differences), guitar cable and microphone cables.
Going back to what you were saying about the fuse thing... that was essentially my argument from the beginning and it looks like my friend got fooled by the placebo effect on that one. It kinda goes back to the bottleneck premise: nice thick gauge, hyper conductive cable eventually transferring through a very small fuse will only pass through as much current as those limitations. When it comes to power cables, don't believe the hype.
When it comes to Monster Cables, ignore them and let them die. After their CEOs decided to sue every company with the word "Monster" in it, I don't feel they deserve a damn cent. People like that don't deserve to be in business and shame to anyone who decides to support them.
You could definitely look into getting a voltage regulator if your voltage is that inconsistent at the house. Honestly, I haven't noticed much, if any, fluctuation at my own.
A good friend of mine who is an ATC dealer as well as a professional recording engineer swore by fancy power cables. He got me turned onto Belden's microphone cable and I really love those (and custom made him a ton over the years, too), so we decided to do an experiment. I took some really expensive Belden cable and splurged on Furutech ends. Just making it alone cost a few hundred to do. The result? Subtle. I noticed a slight high and low extension, but it was only slight. It was from that point on that I focus on the places where you hear the biggest differences: speaker cable (HUGE differences), guitar cable and microphone cables.
Going back to what you were saying about the fuse thing... that was essentially my argument from the beginning and it looks like my friend got fooled by the placebo effect on that one. It kinda goes back to the bottleneck premise: nice thick gauge, hyper conductive cable eventually transferring through a very small fuse will only pass through as much current as those limitations. When it comes to power cables, don't believe the hype.
When it comes to Monster Cables, ignore them and let them die. After their CEOs decided to sue every company with the word "Monster" in it, I don't feel they deserve a damn cent. People like that don't deserve to be in business and shame to anyone who decides to support them.
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trevorus
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Re: MONSTER CABLE: Any Good? scam??? lol NAD $80 powercord!
Speaker cable, huh?
http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/03/audiophiles-cant-tell-the-difference-between-monster-cable-and/
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Speaker cable, huh?
http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/03/audiophiles-cant-tell-the-difference-between-monster-cable-and/
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Re: MONSTER CABLE: Any Good? scam??? lol NAD $80 powercord!
I had an old voltage stabilizer that was used for a refrigerator, I have tried using that with the amp & it does happen to stabilize the voltage fairly well. It's a little too old so I don't bother using it anymore, actually I rarely turn my amp on anymore at home. I just plug my gt10 into my old panasonic portable stereo cassette player aux input & have fun with that.
Anyways, do the more expensive voltage regulator units work any different(excluding the spike/overload protection & emi filter features) or would any consumer grade regulator work the same minus the price tag. I know using better components can raise the price, but at that point to me it seems to be a manageable DIY project using old PC SMPS enclosure as a body frame & new quality parts would end up yielding a more robust build for cheap. For a very basic setup containing a single amp & few pedals, how hard can it be to make a simple voltage regulator? :scratchch
Sorry for the thread Hijack everdone, I thought it be easier to ask here while the topic is still somewhat related lol
I had an old voltage stabilizer that was used for a refrigerator, I have tried using that with the amp & it does happen to stabilize the voltage fairly well. It's a little too old so I don't bother using it anymore, actually I rarely turn my amp on anymore at home. I just plug my gt10 into my old panasonic portable stereo cassette player aux input & have fun with that.
Anyways, do the more expensive voltage regulator units work any different(excluding the spike/overload protection & emi filter features) or would any consumer grade regulator work the same minus the price tag. I know using better components can raise the price, but at that point to me it seems to be a manageable DIY project using old PC SMPS enclosure as a body frame & new quality parts would end up yielding a more robust build for cheap. For a very basic setup containing a single amp & few pedals, how hard can it be to make a simple voltage regulator? :scratchch
Sorry for the thread Hijack everdone, I thought it be easier to ask here while the topic is still somewhat related lol
Powdered Toast Man
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gordon_39422
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Re: MONSTER CABLE: Any Good? scam??? lol NAD $80 powercord!
Mercury Magnetics offers "Coppertone: Audio Grade Power cables from $9.95 - $24.95... Much more digestible placebo for my Golden Ears!
This thread was hilarious! Thanks so much for the entertainment!
Mercury Magnetics offers "Coppertone: Audio Grade Power cables from $9.95 - $24.95... Much more digestible placebo for my Golden Ears!
This thread was hilarious! Thanks so much for the entertainment!