more bass!!!!!!

[Grizzly_Diesel]

So im a guitarist i play low tuned metal. Im thinking about running a 4x12 guitar cab with a 4x8 or 4x10 bass cab all 8 ohMs. Has anyone done this? What's your guys insight? Im running a bugera 333xl infinium head with 6l6l6gc tubes 120 Watts.

 

[JOLLY]

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Just because it's a bass cabinet doesn't mean it is going to give you more bass. Those cabinets and speakers are built to handle lows/bass, not produce them. Hpwever, I may have misunderstood your purpose for the cabinets.

 

[El Supremo]

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I know that Adam Jones from Tool uses Mesa bass cabs, but he also runs a Marshall Super Bass head.

 

[dystrust]

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Just because it's a bass cabinet doesn't mean it is going to give you more bass. Those cabinets and speakers are built to handle lows/bass, not produce them. Hpwever, I may have misunderstood your purpose for the cabinets.

+1

I've actually played guitar through a Mesa 4x10 bass cabinet, and it sounded pretty horrible for overdriven tones. Instead of having more low end, the tone was nasal and bright and the tweeter was incredibly harsh. Even with the tweeter turned down, it still had the same or less bass than the 4x12 I typically used. If you really want more bass (it may end up being a bad idea mix-wise) you need to use a 2x15 cabinet like Dime or an active subwoofer like Christian Olde Wolbers used with Fear Factory.

I mention it being a bad idea mix-wise because the lower you tune and play on guitar, the less room you leave in the mix (frequency-wise) for bass and drums. In the long run it would probably be a better solution to rework a few of your arrangements so that bass and drums are able to fill out frequencies that guitar isn't providing. Of course if you're playing by yourself in your room, find a cabinet that will go low enough and consider adding a crossover and dedicated EQ for your low cabinet.

 

[sosomething]

Re: more bass!!!!!!

Just because it's a bass cabinet doesn't mean it is going to give you more bass. Those cabinets and speakers are built to handle lows/bass, not produce them. Hpwever, I may have misunderstood your purpose for the cabinets.

So much this.

I recommend sticking with your 4x12 and adding an actual bass player. They sound better and are easier to carry around.

 

[Chickenwings]

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bass cabs dont sound that great for guitars in my experience. The mids are all sucked out and they sound like PA speakers.
I'd recommend getting a better 4x12 setup. Make sure its a good closed back cab and not a cheapo particle board/mdf type thing.
Then try some serious speakers like swamp things.

 

[GuitarDoc]

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Emi Swamp Thangs, or Celestion G12k-100

 

[Empty Pockets]

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I want to throw it in there that I've used bass cabs with guitar amps in the past and enjoyed it. I use a vintage Sunn 2x15 cab with guitar all the time and it sounds great. Thing is, when I do that, I'm usually running a different head through each cab so I can EQ the speakers optimally.

This guy from this one band used Ampeg 8x10's with Marshall JCM900's for a long time and he's done pretty well for himself:

What cab are you using? If it's the stock Bugera cab with 70/80's it's a good cab that could be made a lot better... either replace the speakers with something better or replace the whole cab. That's the biggest impact you can make to your tone in my opinion... which is why I bought like 6 or 7 speaker cabs last year and I'm still shopping for more.

 

[uOpt]

Re: more bass!!!!!!

So im a guitarist i play low tuned metal. Im thinking about running a 4x12 guitar cab with a 4x8 or 4x10 bass cab all 8 ohMs. Has anyone done this? What's your guys insight? Im running a bugera 333xl infinium head with 6l6l6gc tubes 120 Watts.

Just get something with a single EV 15L.

 

[El Supremo]

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Just get something with a single EV 15L.

Or... get a ported bass cabinet and throw some guitar speakers in there.

 

[Grizzly_Diesel]

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I should clarify. I don't wanna use just a bass cab I want to pair it with a guitar cab. Thats why I was yhinkin a 4x10 bass cab instead of a cab with 12's or 15's. I don't want the bass cab to overpower the guitar cab. I just want a thumping low end while maintaining mids and highs.

 

[uOpt]

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Trust me, a 15L in a guitar cabinet (probably half open, but experiment) will do what you need, and you don't need any of that other wodawoda anymore.

 

[Edgecrusher]

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I should clarify. I don't wanna use just a bass cab I want to pair it with a guitar cab. Thats why I was yhinkin a 4x10 bass cab instead of a cab with 12's or 15's. I don't want the bass cab to overpower the guitar cab. I just want a thumping low end while maintaining mids and highs.

modern bass speakers are voiced weird for guitar and dont come across right. Vintage style bass speakers are more forgiving in this area... If it was me i would take El supremos suggestion... get a ported cab and then throw guitar speakers in there.


But dont be suprised if you figure out later that this is one of those times when less is more.

 

[Edgecrusher]

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Just get something with a single EV 15L.

Not for metal... lows sure... maybe for stoner or doom would be great. But thrash it would leave a lot to be desired.

 

[Grizzly_Diesel]

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I have an old marshal mg412a cab im using usingnow.

 

[Grizzly_Diesel]

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I play like dethcore, melodic deathmetal.

 

[Empty Pockets]

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yeah buddy... i think you'd be better off upgrading that guitar cab than you would be adding a bass cab to it.

 

[uOpt]

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Not for metal... lows sure... maybe for stoner or doom would be great. But thrash it would leave a lot to be desired.

But I "worked" with somebody who had an old 15" EV boogie. It wasn't exactly trash but not a slow form of metal either.

 

[Edgecrusher]

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yeah buddy... i think you'd be better off upgrading that guitar cab than you would be adding a bass cab to it.

+1! Yeah this... very much this... that MG412 is leaving a lot to be desired. A good Marshall 1960 would do wonders compared an over sized boogie cab would outright blow your frank and beans off.

 

[dystrust]

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I have an old marshal mg412a cab im using usingnow.

That cab isn't great, and the stock speakers are horrible. Before you think about a second cabinet, find a decent plywood 4x12 (the MGs are MDF) and load it with EV-12Ls. Compared to your stock speakers, they'll be cleaner, louder, fuller, and maybe slightly more bright. The upside is that you may only need 1 cabinet, the downside is that 12Ls are HEAVY.

Or... get a ported bass cabinet and throw some guitar speakers in there.

This OTOH isn't such a great idea since cab ports tend to be designed to work with a specific speaker and internal volume. Changing speakers in such a cabinet can lead to an underpowered cab that farts out if the new speakers are 'fighting' with the port design.