"most guys are using digital delays"

[Mononoaware]

Re: "most guys are using digital delays"

Maybe so but I think your expectation of meaningful customer service at a big box store is unrealistic.

Yeah. I wouldn't argue that. But I guess that's part of what makes the original post so amusing -- the stereotype proves to be true.

Comedy gold, I say.

 

[the guy who invented fire]

Re: "most guys are using digital delays"

I have no idea what "most guys" use but I ask this...

Why get over analog???

Thats the sound I like in a delay pedal so thats the pedal I use...

I mean, should I get over Fender tube amps because "most guys use Marshalls"?

Should I ditch fuzz boxes because "most guys don't use them"?

Should I ditch Telecasters because "most guys play Les Pauls"?

I mean, really...

FWIW, I never try and tell anybody what they should use, if asked I'll inform someone what I use and why but what gear a players uses is that players deal...

Also, FWIW, the analog delay thread is way off topic but the deal is this...someone asked for an analog delay and then was suggested a digital delay several times, that is what I was point out...

If someone askes for a guitar suggestion and says they they want a Gibson sound don't suggest that they buy a Jazzmaster or even a Jazzmaster wiht humbuckers...it's still not a Gibson and a digital delay with an analog setting is still not an analog delay...

 

[Chickenwings]

Re: "most guys are using digital delays"

im my band we are purists. We have 8 guitarist with exactly the same rig. We rehearse unrelentingly, and when the lead guy plays a note, the other 7 follow him, just an 8th note triplet behind each other , one after the other. All of us have attenuators on our amps so we can replicate the sound of the intial note with its tube overdrive characteristics, but at a reduced volume.
My band believs that even tape or analog is cheating. There is no substitite for a row of guitarists playing in tight sync to get a delay effect.
You pedal users all suck.

 

[Chickenwings]

Re: "most guys are using digital delays"

oh yeah - for phasing effects, we have a special sound guy who runs around the stage using two mics and a pair of headphones as a monitor. He holds one mic in his hand and moves it around in a circular motion near to the othr mic he is using on whatever amp he needs to phase. The send from his mics go thru the front of house.
Phasers in a pedal are cheating.

 

[Chickenwings]

Re: "most guys are using digital delays"

For a leslie sound we are having a guy build a rotating platform and all the amps are going on that. it will be difficult to use live, but we will have him go to our gigs a day or two ahead of time so he can install the rotating platform.
We do have some concerns about the phaser mic guy suffering from motion sickness while hes on the platform.
But we are keeping things real man.

 

[Vasshu the humanoid typhoon]

Re: "most guys are using digital delays"

Remember to use a real honest to god truthful bypass man!

 

[Binnerscot]

Re: "most guys are using digital delays"

oh yeah - for phasing effects, we have a special sound guy who runs around the stage using two mics and a pair of headphones as a monitor. He holds one mic in his hand and moves it around in a circular motion near to the othr mic he is using on whatever amp he needs to phase. The send from his mics go thru the front of house.
Phasers in a pedal are cheating.

I have spent a lot of years as FOH, enough to LMAO at that!

 

[sosomething]

Re: "most guys are using digital delays"

im my band we are purists. We have 8 guitarist with exactly the same rig. We rehearse unrelentingly, and when the lead guy plays a note, the other 7 follow him, just an 8th note triplet behind each other , one after the other. All of us have attenuators on our amps so we can replicate the sound of the intial note with its tube overdrive characteristics, but at a reduced volume.
My band believs that even tape or analog is cheating. There is no substitite for a row of guitarists playing in tight sync to get a delay effect.
You pedal users all suck.

oh yeah - for phasing effects, we have a special sound guy who runs around the stage using two mics and a pair of headphones as a monitor. He holds one mic in his hand and moves it around in a circular motion near to the othr mic he is using on whatever amp he needs to phase. The send from his mics go thru the front of house.
Phasers in a pedal are cheating.

For a leslie sound we are having a guy build a rotating platform and all the amps are going on that. it will be difficult to use live, but we will have him go to our gigs a day or two ahead of time so he can install the rotating platform.
We do have some concerns about the phaser mic guy suffering from motion sickness while hes on the platform.
But we are keeping things real man.

Priceless.

 

[mwalluk]

Re: "most guys are using digital delays"

So I went into a guitar store looking for some patch cables, the guy said "patch cables? how about a drumset."

 

[Simon_F]

Re: "most guys are using digital delays"

im my band we are purists. We have 8 guitarist with exactly the same rig. We rehearse unrelentingly, and when the lead guy plays a note, the other 7 follow him, just an 8th note triplet behind each other , one after the other. All of us have attenuators on our amps so we can replicate the sound of the intial note with its tube overdrive characteristics, but at a reduced volume.

I can't wait to see you guys on Australia's Got Talent! :beerchug:

 

[St_Genesius]

Re: "most guys are using digital delays"

Dude, chill. Anyone with half a brain reading that thread understood that. You clearly had the facts on your side (even if you were a bit strident in their delivery). You made very simple claims and when pressed for specifics, backed them up with technical knowledge, which was then further verified by the dude who designed the god damned thing in the first place.

It would take an especially dense sort of mind to read all of that and still want to argue that the Deja Vu is an analog pedal.

Not that that really MATTERS, imo, but as a simple statement of fact, it's pretty unquestionable.

Also, FWIW, the analog delay thread is way off topic but the deal is this...someone asked for an analog delay and then was suggested a digital delay several times, that is what I was point out...

If someone askes for a guitar suggestion and says they they want a Gibson sound don't suggest that they buy a Jazzmaster or even a Jazzmaster wiht humbuckers...it's still not a Gibson and a digital delay with an analog setting is still not an analog delay...

 

[briggleman]

Re: "most guys are using digital delays"

St_Genesius, I have tried to calm him down, I really have. I agreed with every explained digital statement he made. I am the one that asked FF to take a look at the thread and give an explanation. That explanation plainly showed I was in error when I stated early in the tread that "at a 100% analog on the dial, the delay is 100% analog".

But if I say the word Analog when describing the tone coming from that analog bucket brigade chip...... it Drives him nuts.:eyecrazy:

Wow, a spill over from another thread, its is still hyjacking ......:banghead:

Brad

 

[Vasshu the humanoid typhoon]

Re: "most guys are using digital delays"

If you cannot tell the difference here, even with the super crappy sound on doolube.....then you're really deaf
Heh

 

[Andrew Lamprecht]

Re: "most guys are using digital delays"

Do you have experience with any?

I bet you couldn't tell the difference between a big box DMM and a Strymon Brigadier in a blind test...

I was just joking around. One of my favorite delays is a digital that sounds like an analog.

 

[St_Genesius]

Re: "most guys are using digital delays"

Sorry, man. I'm on his side on this one. If I had been in his place, I probably would have gotten every bit as frustrated with your responses as he did.

He came off abrasive. You came off willfully ignorant and argumentative, even in the face of hard facts. Backing off from "it's 100% analog" to "it's an authentically analog sound" is, no matter how thinly you slice the semantics, pretty weak, imo. It simply isn't an issue of opinion, and the facts weren't on your side.

But, for the record, all of the technical talk is totally separate in my mind from any discussion of the pedal's worth. On that, I suspect I disagree with TGWIF. and that's fine. That's an issue of opinion.

I just don't think it's good for him to drive himself nuts arguing with you about it. He's one of my favorite posters around here and has been a source of good info for me for a long time.

Things

Brad

 

[briggleman]

Re: "most guys are using digital delays"

I agree. I have found his posts informative in the past, most others here too. I learn everyday.

However to use the statement "willfully ignorant and argumentative, even in the face of hard facts" seems harsh to me. I acknowledged the facts when presented and ....if ignorant in my interpretation of what is happening in the Deja Vu, I am open to enlightenment. I still have found no evidence that the sound is not being processed by the analog bucket brigade chip and being sent out for us to hear. When the Blend control is at 100% analog setting, my present understanding is the DSP is doing all the work in terms of delay, timing, and the duplication of the repeats, and those repeats are being sent to the BB chip and then out. The BB chip is an analog chip.

Have I missed something? Not being a harda$$ about this. Just still want to learn.

 

[Vasshu the humanoid typhoon]

Re: "most guys are using digital delays"

Well resistors and caps are also analouge, that still does not make your delayed ping, repeat or what you wanna call it analouge!
The BBD is there because it has a low bandwidth, it is working as a filter!

 

[TwilightOdyssey]

Re: "most guys are using digital delays"

Does this mean I don't have to lug a Space Echo around any more? Woohoo!

 

[briggleman]

Re: "most guys are using digital delays"

Well resistors and caps are also analouge, that still does not make your delayed ping, repeat or what you wanna call it analouge!
The BBD is there because it has a low bandwidth, it is working as a filter!

Looking at it that way I see your point. So there is not a conversion back to Analog occurring in the BB chip? I had in my mind it was like a A/D/A sequence occurring with the signal. I did not see the BB chip acting as a filter but actually converting the digital input to an analog output.

Brad

 

[Vasshu the humanoid typhoon]

Re: "most guys are using digital delays"

I did not see the BB chip acting as a filter but actually converting the digital input to an analog output.

The main reason for the BBD and a clock, is probally the modulation.