Moving on from Dimarzio and EMG??

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Its pretty clear the crowd here focuses on the more old school vintage sound, and hopefully you can help me out. I've had three guitars in my time that I consider good indicators for tone. Korina Explorer with an EMG81 before I knew what tone was... was too stuffy in the upper mids when I went through my Mesa rack. Had an old Kramer with a Tone Zone that sounded way too phat, too many mids to get a nice growl.

Currently with a basswood RG7421 with BlazeIIs. SOO MUCH BETTER than these other guitars in tone. Actual cleans, actual mids, and a nice smooth sound ala Love of God by Vai (perfect example of the RG7 sound).

Anyway... this is where I need help. I'm not happy with the overall presentation of the sound from this guitar. The bass gets a bit overwhelming for a nice Strat like clean, but I know for a fact that the pickups aren't wired up properly.

I am going to use the PRS rotary switching, as well as coil tapping and probably some phase switching (2-3 rotary switches on board LOL). Ambitious stuff, but I've worked out how to get the job done.

I grew up on Slayer and Metallica, more recently Nile and Opeth, and a bunch of other death metal bands. I'm a "Fear Factory" style riff guy from waaay back. Thing is, I'm 30 now and I need some decent range in the sound because I like to play blues and suchlike. Guitar Rig 4 gives me more options than my Line6 POD did. I need clean sounds without having to spend two minutes rolling back my knobs.

Sooo. Which pickup? I'm considering a couple options.

FSb/59n for the Opeth fan in me. Should be tight, but get some softer tones from the neck. But enough bass and output? I've heard the FS in a Strat beater guitar and under volume it's soo growly which I love, but a lot of people says it is thin. I tune drop A 10-52 with a 70.... I need strength.

FSn/b to get the super clean sounds, but is it organic enough? I like that mid 90s Suped Marshall riff metal tone, but it's quite limiting?

Invader n/b to get the muscle. I'd be putting in wiring to suck the power out of the sound, and using coil cuts for my cleans a lot, so maybe going with Nile's muscle sound would be helpful? Thing is, I didn't like the Tone Zone 10 years ago?

The main goal is to get a tighter pickup than the Blaze, which I find is "too much woofy bass" for a genuine clean, but on the same token I know it is wired wrong and I don't think I've had a real bridge humbucker for 8 years now.

Can you guys help? I've been reading about FS and Customs and Invaders etc etc etc until my eyes have bled. The thing is, I just don't know how different these pickups could be to my Blazes - the FS seems to be built similarly to the Blaze with the hex screws, the Invader seems to be a growly Tone Zone, the Custom could be the same as the Blaze LOL, am I going to give too much bass away with a FS when I know that I need a fair bit of output for the strong American metal sound I like?

Great forum, best for pickups online. :cool2:
 
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Re: Moving on from Dimarzio and EMG??

Many users here are happy with their Full Shred for low tunings,and I think FSb 7 string is worth trying,don't know about neck tho. :D
Btw,welcome to the forum! :fest7:
 
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I know for a fact that the pickups aren't wired up properly.

Based on what evidence, please?

Surely, you owe it to those pickups to get them wired correctly again in order to give them a fair hearing BEFORE rejecting them out of hand.

Your OP mentions playing through various software amp modelling programs. Have you tried the guitar, stock, through a properly cranked up valve stack?
 
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Welcome to the forum!:headbang:

Yeah first of all get your pickups wired properly and see if you like them. Then you can start comparing more reliably. You might like them and not have to replace them. ;)

Also amplification plays a big part as mentioned above.
 
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Custom8 Bridge? Is that the Alnico8 bullets in the Custom gun?

I'm sure the FSb is worth a TRY, but I'm not in the market for testing. Australians don't get to just swap them in and out. Thanks for the welcome!

My guitar tech was showing me the wiring and tapping the coils with an allan key through the amp. It's REALLY bad because I know what I asked for, and this wasn't it. Not even close. LOL
I've put my RG through the Mesa stack CRANKED and it was not too different. ;) It's not a problem with the software, it's an issue with true humbucking and grounding right now. The Blazes could be OK? I just don't know.
 
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Yeah Custom 8 is that. I haven't tried the A8 version but I like the ceramic version a lot from the high-output line.

I don't know the FSb at all. I hear that it's very tight and to the bright side but I don't think that it couldn't be managed. Although I'll leave it to those who know the p-u first hand.

BTW you can easily get Metallica with the Distortion. Nice classic metal pickup.
 
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I don't know what it is, but I can't bring myself to consider a Distortion/Super Distortion. It just says "one dimensional" to me - it's a different breed of sound to where I want to be in 2010... I liked Ride the Lightning but that's from 1983/84... :o
 
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From what I've read, the Blaze 7 is based on the Steve's Special. It's a good pickup for low tunings.
 
Re: Moving on from Dimarzio and EMG??

From what I've read, the Blaze 7 is based on the Steve's Special. It's a good pickup for low tunings.

According to the Dimarzio site, the Special is based on the Blaze. 5 years before the Special was introduced.... having a go at wiring up the guitar today :)
 
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I wired it up today with a bit o' help from my dad (can't help himself with these things) and after forgetting the grounds on two connections, and then forgetting to wire the switch to the volume at all (LMAO) it is making sounds, and I gotta say the PRS rotary sounds are AWESOME.

Also, it's really weird going back to a true bridge humbucker. Lost all my meat! I think I have Invaders in my future, I don't think a Full Shred will cut it. I've been listening to Nile for 6-7 years now and I expect more from my guitar sound, at least passively. The Blaze seems to have a bit of a wah type vibe to it that I don't like. Any thoughts?
 
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There some good options for more lows....

SD Invader like you mentioned. I'd like to give it a try myself too.
DM Steve's Special had a great palm muting result for me, I just wanted more tone.
DM Super 3 as I've heard.
BK Miracle Man, strong deep lows, extremely tight.
DM Air Zone. A nice fat, full sounding one.

I know Nile only a little, the only track I know is "Eat of the Dead". As I remember their tone the Invader could make it I guess.
 
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The Invader without a tone pot through a Marshall IS the Nile sound.
That Eat of the Dead tone is actually pretty trebly for a Nile track. Check out "Unas, Slayer of the Gods" for THE nile sound LMAO Tons of bass guitar helping out as well :D

I'm a bit surprised that the basswood ironically seems to have a lot less bass than any of the mahogany guitars I've played. A couple techs have commented that it sustains for a while, but I'd rather get some phat in my diet :P
 
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Ooh strong bass in that one. I forgot to mention the Bare Knuckle Warpig too. That pickup can certainly give you the lows you want. Either with A5 or Ceramic magnet.

For Nile I'd go for ceramic to get that treble cut also.
 
Re: Moving on from Dimarzio and EMG??

Try a Dimarzio Norton. Its got a nice growl and is more agressive than the Tone Zone, which I hate, but its not so hot that you cant turn down the gain (from guitar or amp) and get nice blues and rock tones. The TZ is too fat and compressed.

Full shred is also a great choice.

The norton will not be clean unless you coil tap or run it in parallel. I have mine with parallel selector and it gets a very nice tone that is thinner than a standard bucker.
 
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Was having a listen to some clips; the JC120 neck clean is exactly Ride the Lightning with the neck Invader. LOL So much for getting away from the Ride the Lightning sound.

Yeah I'm not sure there is enough muscle with anything except the super brutal pickups. I'm guessing that the Invader is basically a TZ with a bit of growl to it, rather than the sledgehammer thunk thunk?
 
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Haven't seen the Alt8 in 7 string form... concerns me that it's almost completely untested in the public arena. I don't know any acts using it at all...
 
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