(my) warmoth les pauls

orpheo

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On several boards I see the complaint of 'bolt on' guitars, and in particular bolt on les pauls. People tend to think that bolt on is a bad thing, and especially on les pauls. sure, they aren't really as they have been, but hell, we have neckthru strats, and those arent original too, right? so why not reverse the thinking, and make a bolt on les paul?


warmoth has been doing that for many years, with success. the reason, I think, people dislike bolt on guitars/les pauls is that bolt-on is associated with sloppy neckpockets and guitars going out of tune very easily. that is the truth, unfortunatily. I believe we all have had, at one point or another in our 'guitar-carreers' a crappy squier or stagg or whatever crap-o-caster you have in your country, with sloppy neckpockets and wobbly necks.

Another truth is, though, that a neckpocket that has been routed perfectly, aka, a neckpocket were you can do this:

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holding the body on the neck, just by presure, without glue or screws, makes a neck-body joint that is equally as good as neckthru, set thru or just set-in. why shouldn't it? after all, the neck makes contact with all the sides of the body (bottom, left, right, 'below', everywhere, actually, except the top, but that is logical since there you've got the fretboard!). Sure, the screws and the different contactspots make a different sound, I can know, I've got 5 warmoth les pauls, and i've had over my carreer at least 15 gibson les pauls, ranging from a 1970 custom to a 2004 customshop standard. but is that perse worse? I dont think so. In a gibson, the neck only makes contact on the side. the 'bottom' of the neck (the flat piece on which the screws will get perpendicular in the end) makes no contact with the body, on a gibson-style guitar, what soever. only on the side. I calculated it, and thats almost a loss of 50% body-neck contact, compared with a bolt on les paul.

I believe that a neck that has been glued, wether set or neckthru, makes no difference in stability compared with a bolt on. the only difference is the sound, but what IS the sounddifference?

well, i believe its general knowledge that a bolt-on guitar always has a bit more 'bite' than glued in. that is logical too, since there is no glue to dampen the vibrations. that is something i experienced with my warmoths too. they have absolutely the 'real' les paul sound, and yeah, they beat out the 'real deal' with ease. Only, they have a bit more 'bite'. compare it with the difference of a rosewood board vs an ebony board. just a little nuance, nothing more.

well, what do you guys think? oh, I will post some eye candy too ;)

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the specs (looking at the 2nd pic from the top):
tobaccoburst:
mahogany back on AAAAflamed maple top
rio grande BBQ/TX set
wenge neck
maccasar ebony board

fireburst:
chambered mahogany back, AAAAquilt maple top
JB/Jazz set
padouk neck
macassar ebony board

both of these still have to get new inlay. I HATE the dots, but hey, they were for sale on the warmoth website, i just couldn't have somebody else have them :D

the middle guitar:
flamed koa top
walnut back
3 gibson pafs (now, on the pic its still a telecaster bridge pickup)
ziricote neckback (boy, this is SMOOOTTHHH and it rocks too! its my favorite neck)
macassar ebony fingerboard with custom inlay

the purple quilt:
AAAAAquilt on chambered mahogany
brazilian rosewood neck
braz. rosewood fingerboard
kent armstrong motherbuckers in bridge and neckpositions (nowadays, on the pic its custommade pickups)
seymour duncan prails in the middle, all black
hipshot tremolo
sperzel tuners

the purple flame/burst:
AAAAAflametop on flamed black korina
custom finish (my own design!)
rio rosewood neck
rio rosewood fingerboard
custom inlay
hipshot tremolo
bareknuckle pickups, miracle man in neck and bridge. faux pickup in middle for looks
sperzel tuners

and yes, I play them all, and no, I have no favorite above all, allthough I have to say that the tobaccob. and fireb. guitars arent the guitars I'd pick first.

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part of the family

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enjoy the pics, and enjoy my story/ideas, and I'd love to see a nice debate going on :)
 
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nice! that flamed koa and the gold one are the tits dude. the absolute D cup tits!
 
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Nice, you did it.

Tell me your reasoning behind getting the hipshot trem vs. any other trem on the market in terms of tuning stability, ease of set-up and compatability with the carved tops of the LP's.

What scale neck are you using/do you prefer with these?

Favorite body wood used so far? Chambered or solid?

Trem or tune-o-matic?

Tell me more about your Ziricote neck, I love it as a fretboard (obviously, haha) so I'd like to know more about it's tone as a neck wood.

Again nice collection, no doubt.
 
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Re: (my) warmoth les pauls

Nice, you did it.

Tell me your reasoning behind getting the hipshot trem vs. any other trem on the market in terms of tuning stability, ease of set-up and compatability with the carved tops of the LP's.

What scale neck are you using/do you prefer with these?

Favorite body wood used so far?

Chambered or solid?

Trem or tune-o-matic?

Tell me more about your Ziricote neck, I love it as a fretboard (obviously, haha) so I'd like to know more about it's tone as a neck wood.

Again nice collection, no doubt.

only the quilt les pauls are chambered, the rest is solid. as for sound: the chambered ones are a bit more versatile, because they can be tight enough for screamin metal and supertight, punchy riffs ala dimebag, zakk wylde, john sykes, but smooth enough to pass for a strat, and bity enough for a tele (with the right pickups!). the solid backs are very punchy, roary, like a deepthroat lion's roar. My favorite in tone and feel is, still, the koa or the quilt maple top. the purple flame is 'cool' but sucks, because of tuning problems, but those are caused by the nut. I still have to fix that, unfortunately. The fireburst and tobacco sound GREAT, play GREAT, but the necks are too thin for me I think. Dont know why, I just play them less than the others. Perhaps because they dont have a tremolo or something extraordinary. But my own past told me that that will come soon ;) new, or recently modified guitars always have more appeal. to bad I play the purple quilt only, for the last 4 months (combined with the koa).

I prefer fixed bridges, due to ease of tuning, but i dont DISlike tremolo's. I like floyd roses and hipshots, but dont like others. Floyd rose, because you can DIVE like a madman and stay in tune. Hipshot just looks AWESOME. its a piece of art, imho. and there are no knifes, like you have on floyds and wilkinson trems. It has ballbearings on which it pivotes, and that makes it very stable and less prone to getting out of tune. the ballbearings wont wear out.

Ziricote neck is smooth. Just SMOOTH. Its just as smooth as my macassar ebony neck, that's on my custom tele (that was a b-day gift of my grandmum haha. She pays 90$ for that thing! I'll post a pic at the end of this post).it sounds great! punchy, tight, smooth, ringing like a bell, the chime of a bell, it rocks. I love it, but its VERY expensive. the thing that comes closest in feel and sound is Wenge.

the hipshot is very simple to instal. just as easy as a tune o matic. on the koa and on the quilt I have 25.5'', on the others 24.75''. I dont really care about scalelengths, its all equal to me.
 
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oh sorry I forgot to give pics of my tele....

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and this is how the purple lady once looked like:

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HEAVILY modified! more pots, more switches, other pickups. and yeah, I like the new version more than the old version:

4 pots
3 humbuckers of MY choice

I got this guitar by trading it in for this one:

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Boy, I really, REALLY have to clean out my photobucket, haha
 
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the telecaster specs by the way:

walnut back
flamed maple top
black ebony board with custom inlay (over 400 pieces of pearl! REAL pearl!)
macassar ebony neck

I stil have to give it a fretjob though, but why? I dont like telecasters....
 
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because it has some nice inlays? It's a tele...right? haha.

Thanks for answering all the questions. I'm really diggin chambered versatility myself.

I've never tried a hipshot, but I might have to.

I imagine I would like ziricote as much as I like wenge.
 
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You have some amazingly beautiful guitars....gorgeous!!

i have had several Bolt-neck LP's (not as good as yours) except I had one called a Gibson Invader. Les Paul style-bolt neck USA. I installed a set of '59's and it was gold.... So, I see what you're saying about the neck pocket fit...and it makes sense to me. Cool thread!!

-dave
 
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nice LP styles!!! i've given thought a few times of getting some Warmoth LP style guitars... i like the idea of having a trem on them... i also like Warmoth's own headstock design... i saw a really nice goldtop body on their site...

what scale are your Warmoths? 25 1/2 i'm guessing
 
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some nice guitars there man. i am with you on the bolt on neck. ive built an LP bolt on type and a prs type bolt on myself and they are some of the best guitars ive owned.
 
Re: (my) warmoth les pauls

nice LP styles!!! i've given thought a few times of getting some Warmoth LP style guitars... i like the idea of having a trem on them... i also like Warmoth's own headstock design... i saw a really nice goldtop body on their site...

what scale are your Warmoths? 25 1/2 i'm guessing


some are 25.5 and others are 24.75 :)
 
Re: (my) warmoth les pauls

Wow - I love that tobaccoburst burst.

I think much of the Les Paul bolt-on versus glued neck debate comes from the fact (which we're all aware of) that bolt-ons are easier and cheaper to produce so the 'cheaper' guitars tend to be bolt-on and these come with cheaper hardware which affect overall sound. And it's also going against 50 years of Les Paul history.
 
Re: (my) warmoth les pauls

Wow - I love that tobaccoburst burst.

I think much of the Les Paul bolt-on versus glued neck debate comes from the fact (which we're all aware of) that bolt-ons are easier and cheaper to produce so the 'cheaper' guitars tend to be bolt-on and these come with cheaper hardware which affect overall sound. And it's also going against 50 years of Les Paul history.

:kabong:

Bolt-ons have more articulation, are easier to swap tone options, easier to work on, etc. Cheaper to produce? Wood is wood, labor is labor... maybe just easier to assemble :cool2:
 
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