Need pickups suggestions for 84 Explorer - hard rock, 80s, etc

Tommy Von Voigt

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Hi everyone! This is my first post on this forum, and I'm diving right into pickup suggestions...

I'm not sure I have the right pickups for my needs currently. I have a 1984 Gibson Designer Series Explorer, which has an alder body, maple neck, and ebony fretboard. Faber Tone Lock hardware for the bridge and tailpiece, nickel-plated brass saddles, Tusq nut, and RS Guitarworks electronics. I'm currently running a Super Distortion in the bridge, and a Super 2 in the neck. I'd actually really love your thoughts on both positions...


The issue with the Super Distortion in the bridge is that it seems like it's just "too much" somehow, and I feel as though it sounds almost like a fuzz pedal. It seems to be more noticeable with lower and lower volumes. Not defined enough, too mushy, that sort of thing. Also, the guitar seems extremely sensitive to just about everything. I feel like I'm working triple overtime keeping random string and pick noise under control. Admittedly, a good amount of that falls under technique, but it seems a little out of control. My head is a 100 watt 68 Plexi, modded by David Hopkins as a Pandora, with an additional preamp tube for an added gain stage. I feel like it would be safe to say it is a fairly high gain head. It's that modded Marshall, 80s LA kind of thing. I'm wondering if the Super Distortion is just more output than the front end of my amp wants / needs? Should I be using something much lower? I definitely love saturated, high gain rock tones. 80s rock and metal, the first 2 Boston records, Def Leppard, that sort of thing. But I want to emphasize growl, grind, chime and definition, and not fuzziness or mushiness.


For the Super 2 in the neck, I have to say I'm surprised by just how bassy it actually is. I think I was looking for something a little less jarring in that regard. I actually have a second 84 Explorer with the original 80s era Dirty Fingers pickups. When switching to the neck pickup on that guitar, I find the difference between bridge and neck to be much less pronounced. I went with the Super 2, since DiMarzio claims it shifts the EQ curve upward in order to overcome the natural muddy / bassy thing the neck position can have, but it still seems to be an issue. I think I'd prefer a neck pickup that just sounds a little different from the bridge, for some different flavor, but not something that is really jarring and pronounced in terms of bass.

What would you all suggest for these 2 positions?

I can add that I've tried some other pickups in other guitars, and they didn't really do it for me:

• I've tried a Classic 57+ in my gold top, and that was just a little too harsh. But, that could have been the guitar. It is a noticeably brighter guitar than any other Les Paul I've touched
• I've tried a Suhr Doug Aldrich in the same gold top, but that pickup seemed like it was fighting me. It felt stiff and fake, like a bad distortion pedal
• I didn't care for what I believe was a T-Top in a 71 SG. Too bassy and mushy. Would have been perfect for old Sabbath, though...
• I've tried a 498T in a few different guitars, and found them to be brittle, for lack of a better word
• Unfortunately, I can't comment on the Dirty Fingers bridge pickup in my other Explorer, since that guitar is getting a full fret job at the moment. It was basically unplayable

I add that info in the event it may help in some capacity, since at least those tests were all done using my own hands and my rig, even if the guitars were different.

Thanks!
 
Re: Need pickups suggestions for 84 Explorer - hard rock, 80s, etc

Welcome to the forum!

I wish everyone who was interested in swapping pickups put in as much thought as you do. For your Explorer, I'd recommend a Jazz in the neck, and Custom in the bridge. The EQ is close to what you want, and they don't compress nearly as much as higher output pickups...but they certainly rock. Check them out.
 
Re: Need pickups suggestions for 84 Explorer - hard rock, 80s, etc

The classic 57+ is a mushy dull pickup. If that sounded harsh (albeit in a bright guitar), maybe it's the amp? You mentioned it's worse at lower volumes. That's normal for tube amps to sound more fizzy at low volumes and they need to be EQ'd differently (way less presence). The workaround is an attenuator or another amp for those situations. Are there any guitars where you're liking the tone you're getting with that amp?

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Re: Need pickups suggestions for 84 Explorer - hard rock, 80s, etc

I'm inclined to disagree about the amp being the culprit, only because this problem seems more specific to the Super Distortion. The other pickups I've tried didn't do it for me for various reasons, some quite separate from this mushy, fuzzy kind of "you're hitting the preamp too darn hard" thing. Also, the master volume circuit in this head might as well have been made using actual magic, it sounds so good. I'm also taking into consideration the way tube amps can start sounding at very very low volumes with lots of gain. I also generally keep the presence super low to begin with...

I have heard the amp sounding absolutely ferocious using an IBZ pickup that DiMarzio made just for Ibanez, but I haven't pursued that, since they are proprietary for Ibanez, I can't buy them separately, they don't pop up often at all, and it was in an Ibanez super strat style guitar with a Floyd and I believe a basswood body.

I went for the Super Distortion since that is what is on the first 2 Boston records, and Phil Collen also wears by them. But I'm just not getting the results they get, and I know for a fact those guys tracked with heads far tamer than mine.

I'm wondering if I need a low output pickup to pair with the high gain head, so I can let the amp do the work and not hit it so hard. I'm just honestly not sure which one to go with.

As for the Duncan Custom, isn't that a relatively high output pickup, on par with the Super Distortion? Or am I mistaken ?
 
Re: Need pickups suggestions for 84 Explorer - hard rock, 80s, etc

I was wondering if you have spent some time lowering the pickups as this could help balance and calm them? As for pickup recommendations I wonder if a screaming demon would work for you in the bridge.
 
Re: Need pickups suggestions for 84 Explorer - hard rock, 80s, etc

I say Custom 5 or Pegasus, leaning towards the Custom5. I bet the "scoop" would help tame that guitar while sounding great
 
Re: Need pickups suggestions for 84 Explorer - hard rock, 80s, etc

I was gonna say exactly the same thing Dave: Custom bridge, and a Jazz neck.
 
Re: Need pickups suggestions for 84 Explorer - hard rock, 80s, etc

Before you swap, try lowering the Super D way down and maybe raise the pole pieces a bit. If that doesn't do it then Custom or Custom 5 seem like a reasonable step down. The Duncan Custom is not as high output or as bassy as the Super D in my experience.
 
Re: Need pickups suggestions for 84 Explorer - hard rock, 80s, etc

Before you swap, try lowering the Super D way down and maybe raise the pole pieces a bit. If that doesn't do it then Custom or Custom 5 seem like a reasonable step down. The Duncan Custom is not as high output or as bassy as the Super D in my experience.

Not a step down. However, working with what you have is always a great option.
 
Re: Need pickups suggestions for 84 Explorer - hard rock, 80s, etc

I'm definitely going to play around with pickup height and pole adjustment first.

I have to say, I'm a little surprised at the Duncan Custom suggestions. It looks reasonably hot on paper. Then again, I tried a Suhr Doug Aldrich, which is super hot, and it seemed too clean and stiff, so go figure!
 
Re: Need pickups suggestions for 84 Explorer - hard rock, 80s, etc

The Custom is hot, but the PAF-style EQ makes it so it doesn't quite feel as hot as something like a Black Winter or a JB.
 
Re: Need pickups suggestions for 84 Explorer - hard rock, 80s, etc

You might think about the Rebel Yells from BareKnuckle, too. It's the Steve Stevens signature set, designed for high gain heads and right at home with 80s tones while the output is still reasonable enough to do classic rock.

Bridge has growl and moderate beef - without mushiness - and its highs are crisp, searing when driven yet not at all brittle. Very good definition both in terms of pick attack and also across chords at gain. It cleans up much more nicely than something like the SuperD or JB when you roll back the guitar's volume.

Neck pickup in this set is one of my favorites, relatively low output so it's warm and crystal clear but still has a nice singing lead voice.

Still, if you've had problems with tubby neck tone I'd second the recommendation for a Duncan Jazz neck. Ideal pickup for that situation.
 
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