need some helps....

ok ive been playing guitar for awhile and just now got into bass mostly because i cant find a decent bass player in my area. moving on from that, i just spent halve the morning doing what equates to a truss rod and saddle height adjustment with nothing to show from it. TECHNICALLY i have no fret buzz or dead frets but the strings are still high at the upper frets and super low at the nut i dont exactly know how to fix or what i need to fix. is probably a simple issue.... idk
 
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Measurements, please.

Also what exact make and model of bass guitar are you adjusting? Different bridge - and, in some cases, nut - designs dictate different methods.

When shifting from six string guitar in standard tuning to bass in EADG or, especially, BEADG, settings need to be disproportionately more generous.
 
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A measuring device with etched gradations would help. So would an image showing the entire length of the strings from nut to bridge saddles.

The side view of the neck appears to show excessive upward curvature. This could be for numerous reasons. For example, installing enormously heavy gauge strings on a seriously cheaply made instrument.

If the truss rod adjuster appears to have run out of clockwise turning travel, try slacking it right off then tightening it again from scratch.

I am a fan of the long-discontinued Yamaha Attitude Plus bass guitar. Ironically, even with its fairly beefy neck, this model cannot cope with Billy Sheehan signature 43-110 strings. Fortunately, it manages to sound huge with 40-90 strings, an SD/Basslines active pickup and onboard EQ.
 
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Pics post just disappeared whilst I was typing. Spooky!
 
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If you would, please take one more picture from the bottom of the bass, looking just to the side of the bridge and up the side of the neck. This view is usually the best way to show neck curvature, of which I think you have too much.

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Re: need some helps....

A measuring device with etched gradations would help. So would an image showing the entire length of the strings from nut to bridge saddles.

The side view of the neck appears to show excessive upward curvature. This could be for numerous reasons. For example, installing enormously heavy gauge strings on a seriously cheaply made instrument.

If the truss rod adjuster appears to have run out of clockwise turning travel, try slacking it right off then tightening it again from scratch.

I am a fan of the long-discontinued Yamaha Attitude Plus bass guitar. Ironically, even with its fairly beefy neck, this model cannot cope with Billy Sheehan signature 43-110 strings. Fortunately, it manages to sound huge with 40-90 strings, an SD/Basslines active pickup and onboard EQ.

that is most likely what happened its a (cheap) rogue lx200b with ghs bass boomers 50-115 so yeah.... wanted to down tune to drop c and didnt quite do the research.... plus side it does drop c honestly i got the best pics i could manage it has a 34'' scale....
 
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First off, going from guitar to bass there are some things to keep in mind. First, the gauge of the G string on a bass guitar is larger than that of the low E string on a guitar. But, it sounds a third higher, so it's actually tuned to a higher tension. Second, the scale length of the average "long scale" bass is 34", which is a little more than 8" longer than most Fender guitars and almost 10" longer than most Gibsons. That extra ten inches is a lot of room for small changes in relief or shim angle to have a big effect from the nut to the 21st fret. Third, despite the higher tension, the higher-mass bass strings really get moving when you pluck them, so basses need more clearance from the fretboard to vibrate freely, and that means a higher action than you'll be used to with a guitar.

I second the recommendations that you need a real measuring device. Head to a home improvement store or office supply store and ask for one of these precision metal straightedges:

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These run about $2 and measure accurately down to 1/64". This is essential for adjusting saddle and pickup height; you simply cannot eyeball this.

Second, you need a gap feeler. This can be had for a the cost of changing one of your guitars' strings; keep the cutting from the high E and B strings. The E will be in the .090-.011 range which is the butter zone for guitar neck relief (measured by capoing the first fret, holding the string down at the last fret and slipping the feeler under at around the 8th or 9th fret), while the slightly thicker .012-.014 cutting off a B string is perfect for bass necks (if you're still ending up with too much up-bow for your tastes, you can go as flat as .010" relief, but you'll start to buzz in the first position frets if you aim for a ruler-straight neck).

With these two tools, do your setup again, using the measurement guidelines for Fender basses (your Rogue is basically a restyled Fender Precision). I think you'll be much happier with the results.
 
Re: need some helps....

First off, going from guitar to bass there are some things to keep in mind. First, the gauge of the G string on a bass guitar is larger than that of the low E string on a guitar. But, it sounds a third higher, so it's actually tuned to a higher tension. Second, the scale length of the average "long scale" bass is 34", which is a little more than 8" longer than most Fender guitars and almost 10" longer than most Gibsons. That extra ten inches is a lot of room for small changes in relief or shim angle to have a big effect from the nut to the 21st fret. Third, despite the higher tension, the higher-mass bass strings really get moving when you pluck them, so basses need more clearance from the fretboard to vibrate freely, and that means a higher action than you'll be used to with a guitar.

I second the recommendations that you need a real measuring device. Head to a home improvement store or office supply store and ask for one of these precision metal straightedges:

Z0HODwfo5oy.JPG


These run about $2 and measure accurately down to 1/64". This is essential for adjusting saddle and pickup height; you simply cannot eyeball this.

Second, you need a gap feeler. This can be had for a the cost of changing one of your guitars' strings; keep the cutting from the high E and B strings. The E will be in the .090-.011 range which is the butter zone for guitar neck relief (measured by capoing the first fret, holding the string down at the last fret and slipping the feeler under at around the 8th or 9th fret), while the slightly thicker .012-.014 cutting off a B string is perfect for bass necks (if you're still ending up with too much up-bow for your tastes, you can go as flat as .010" relief, but you'll start to buzz in the first position frets if you aim for a ruler-straight neck).

With these two tools, do your setup again, using the measurement guidelines for Fender basses (your Rogue is basically a restyled Fender Precision). I think you'll be much happier with the results.


ok so my new plan is to rip those strings off put a set of ghs boomer mediums on and re adjust everything with new tools i now realize going from what was probably light gauge (stock) strings to the heaviest mfers i could get my hands on..... maaaayyybbbeee not the best idea ever its hard to understand string thicknesses on basses cuz on guitar i change my strings one or twice a month so if i wanna be able to tune and play well at drop c then at e standard i just retune or restring idk i didnt wanna warp the neck im hoping to get a 2nd bass soon to keep in Eb an just keep this one in drop C# cuz that where i usually stay on guitar. to be honest just picked up bass cuz i couldnt find a bass player and figured technique would translate better than it hass
 
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^ Going from Drop C to E standard on a bass is going to require a truss rod adjustment, the tension difference is too great.

Also, glad to see you've learned just because you play guitar doesn't mean you can play bass! :)
 
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^ Going from Drop C to E standard on a bass is going to require a truss rod adjustment, the tension difference is too great.

Also, glad to see you've learned just because you play guitar doesn't mean you can play bass! :)

well to be fair lemmy (RIP) helped muddy the line for me abit and hardware wise end of day same materials (different ratios) but i digress. i mostly play in drop c# or Eb so would i need a new bass or just retune low string for differnt songs? and i wasnt exactly goin for flea style precision i was going for 'gets the job done'.
 
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Well drop C to E standard (1 step down and drop the low E) and drop C# to Eb (just dropping the low E) is very different haha Drop C# to Eb back and forth will be fine. So all good there.

Also, as a Lemmy fanatic, I hear ya there. As a side note its amazing how many metal guys I have to show the 'Motorhead shuffle' as it is much more punk oriented than what many are used to.
 
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If you would, please take one more picture from the bottom of the bass, looking just to the side of the bridge and up the side of the neck. This view is usually the best way to show neck curvature, of which I think you have too much.

I requested a side-on view to inspect for indications of lousy neck pocket shimming.
 
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Sorry for OT, but true!

meh idk bout others but OT is ok considering the topic was just needing help lol. honestly i have other issues with the bass and need to learn more. kinda trying to figure out the lemmy playing style myself but is difficult due to string thickness and pick thinness.... any advice? i heard it was like punk playing but lemmy picked differntly than the rammones.....
 
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Advise for playing like lemmy? You don't need to necessarily cop his right hand technique 100%. But I can tell you It's not your string guage and picks, this **** takes time and practice. Of course those things are a factor, but I'm sure I could pick up your bass and do it just fine.

Your right, he didn't pick like the Ramones, they are 90% down-strokes. The big thing here is that Motorhead Shuffle I was talking about (my bass player still can't get it ****in' right half the time). The key is to know when to 'miss' the strings, as the hand is always moving. Once you stop, your ****ed. If you listen to some skate punk guys (like pennywise) you'll hear some of this as well.
 
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Access to a Rickenbacker 4001/4003 (or a good quality replica) definitely helps.
 
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Advise for playing like lemmy? You don't need to necessarily cop his right hand technique 100%. But I can tell you It's not your string guage and picks, this **** takes time and practice. Of course those things are a factor, but I'm sure I could pick up your bass and do it just fine.

Your right, he didn't pick like the Ramones, they are 90% down-strokes. The big thing here is that Motorhead Shuffle I was talking about (my bass player still can't get it ****in' right half the time). The key is to know when to 'miss' the strings, as the hand is always moving. Once you stop, your ****ed. If you listen to some skate punk guys (like pennywise) you'll hear some of this as well.

sounds about right will probably look up more stuff like this though
 
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Access to a Rickenbacker 4001/4003 (or a good quality replica) definitely helps.

considering most sites say "call for price/email for price" im gonna assume its a if u have to ask u cant afford kinda thing but due to its shortend scale im thinking about getting a Rogue VB100 it looks like a cheap hofner clone like the epiphone viola but from reviews ive read more people like the vb100
 
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My local guitar shop has an account with the UK importer/distributor for Rickenbacker. His most recent order took them over two years to fulfil! In that time, the MSRP will have changed.
 
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