New Cab Day!

[80's_Thrash_Metal]

I've been scrimping and saving for a new guitar...well another... new guitar.
anyhow I found this at a local music shop... well 45 miles away.
And I just Couldn't turn it down! Price was really really good.
and I've wanted a B cab for so very long...

I assumed it was loaded with V30s . And I was wrong.
It's a 1960BV. So G12s Vintage speakers.

I haven't ever spent much time with them. (I mean I've heard them in almost every speaker comparison video for the last 10 years, and liked them, but I haven't spent much time playing them for myself.

I plugged into 3 of the amps real quick and gave it a whirl.

Immediately yes! Immediately...

I'm not sure how much of my wooffing adoration is for these particular speakers, or the fact that B cabinets just sound bigger and louder. Or both! But whatever it is... I'm loving the F out of this cabinet so far.

Please school me on the wonderful Celestion G12V speaker gurus.

Obligatory Porn pics:

I'll be selling one of my A cabinets to my other guitarist shortly I imagine. He wants a Marshall cab pretty bad.

 

[Rex_Rocker]

The Marshall Vintage is the OG Vintage 30 design from 86 or 87.

These days, they're more or less re-branded standard V30's. Some people say they have their own sound, the the John Brown vid you posted some time ago suggests otherwise.

Either way, they're nice MIE Vintage 30 variants. They'll be brighter and slightly more scooped than the ones on Mesa cabs because they're 16 ohms.

Killer speakers, IMO.

Also, if your Marshall cab is from 2013 or later, the back panel is plywood rather than MDF like they were using before. I prefer plywood, personally.

 

[Top-L]

How much is a used marshall 412 these days? I bet it was 1K or more!

Nice score. Wish I had one.

 

[80's_Thrash_Metal]

This one Appears to have been made in 2000.
they definitely sound different than regular Celestion V30s to my ears.
They are a lot fuller down low, and not as much of a high-mid punch.
smoother than the aggressive V30. To my ears anyhow.

 

[80's_Thrash_Metal]

How much is a used marshall 412 these days? I bet it was 1K or more!

Nice score. Wish I had one.

Yes! I only gave the guy 4 bills out the door!

 

[Top-L]

There is a local Marshall 412 that the guy says works in stereo but has a dodgy jack and cuts out in mono. Is that just a loose wire or need a new switch or an entire switchplate?

 

[beaubrummels]

This one Appears to have been made in 2000.
they definitely sound different than V30s to my ears.
They are a lot fuller down low, and not as high-mid punch
smoother than the aggressive V30. To my ears anyhow.

That's what straight cabs do for you, and why the mic often goes on the straight cab of a stack in the studio. I have the 1960AV version of your cab (in my avatar), but mine is from 1994. Those are V30s. That's what the V is for in the name.

 

[80's_Thrash_Metal]

There is a local Marshall 412 that the guy says works in stereo but has a dodgy jack and cuts out in mono. Is that just a loose wire or need a new switch or an entire switchplate?

My furthest to the right cabinet had a dodgy jack as well, I reflowed the solder on the board, twice, to fix it and then just ended up buying a new PC board and it has been great since.

That was my problem anyway..

 

[80's_Thrash_Metal]

I've read that these speakers are 60w and I've read that they are 70w or even 75w.... Does anyone know for certain?

It might make a difference when I plug in the mode four.

 

[Top-L]

My furthest to the right cabinet had a dodgy jack as well, I reflowed the solder on the board, twice, to fix it and then just ended up buying a new PC board and it has been great since.

That was my problem anyway..

Is the board integrated with the switch? On amazon they sell the marshall switch plate for around $50.

 

[beaubrummels]

I've read that these speakers are 60w and I've read that they are 70w or even 75w.... Does anyone know for certain?

It might make a difference when I plug in the mode four.

According to Celestion, Vintage 30s are actually 60w but "voiced" to "sound like a 30w."

 

[80's_Thrash_Metal]

I finally found the answer.... it's printed on the back of the cab. The Marshall G12 vintages are 70w.

 

[80's_Thrash_Metal]

Is the board integrated with the switch? On amazon they sell the marshall switch plate for around $50.

I don't remember that, I bought just a replacement board ... not the whole switch. Lemme dig around and see if I have pictures somewhere because I forget what it looks like.
seems like maybe the plastic nuts trough the input jacks hold it on or something.

 

[80's_Thrash_Metal]

Ya the plugs-in are just screwed into the jackplate

 

[beaubrummels]

I finally found the answer.... it's printed on the back of the cab. The Marshall G12 vintages are 70w.

Now I have to crack mine open. I just went by what they told me when I bought it.

 

[dave74]

Those older early 2000s v30s/vintage are smoother on average than later mid-late 2000s and up. Mesa also used to list theirs as 70w, until 2010ish when they switched the rating to 60w.

TOJB's research seems to suggest that if you compared the average Mesa 16ohm UK V30 from a 212 cab in the year 2000, it would sound very close to a 2000 Marshall Vintage 16ohm.

 

[ehdwuld]

A friend of mine had a Behringer cab with an input jack problem

We just removed it and tweaked the contacts

Looking at those in the image

That would be difficult

 

[beaubrummels]

Those older early 2000s v30s/vintage are smoother on average than later mid-late 2000s and up. Mesa also used to list theirs as 70w, until 2010ish when they switched the rating to 60w.

TOJB's research seems to suggest that if you compared the average Mesa 16ohm UK V30 from a 212 cab in the year 2000, it would sound very close to a 2000 Marshall Vintage 16ohm.

Mine is from 1994 though. I was told then they were 60w rated. I can't even get to the cab right now to look at the back plate, it's packed behind some other equipment.

 

[Rex_Rocker]

This one Appears to have been made in 2000.
they definitely sound different than regular Celestion V30s to my ears.
They are a lot fuller down low, and not as much of a high-mid punch.
smoother than the aggressive V30. To my ears anyhow.

That's what V30's from that era are like.

 

[80's_Thrash_Metal]

That's what V30's from that era are like.

After rewatching the whole "do you even v30?"
Video(cuz I'm a nerd) I have come to the conclusion that most of the low ended smoothness that I am hearing has probably a lot to do with the fact that it's a B cab. Sounds a bit woofier and deeper... until you are right in the middle of the B cab Laser beam focus....