New evh wolfgang!

[Mincer]

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I think they are relevant in a 'its just like when i was 17 and driving around in my Camaro' way. I talked to several people who saw VH in half full arenas, so I guess if you sell out in some major markets, maybe thats what counts.

They have no new music. Eddie's live guitar solo on the last tour was painful (YouTube it). While he advanced guitar playing really really far (I am a fan of early VH and the Hagar period), I don't think he has anything new to say musically in 20 years. I know I am in the minority, but I don't want to even hear any new music from VH that sounds 'just like' what they did in 1978. What bothers me about EVH and his brand is that he relies so much on the past- and spins the same yarn about this guitar that he had been to people about the EBMM & Peavey, but to a new generation, and in a magazine aimed at teenaged males (or adults pretending to be). Guitar World's 'interview' reads more like a fanboy press release for his new gear than any kind of real information.

 

[DMR]

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Mags like Guitar World are every bit as much to blame for continuing to perpetuate that stuff by giving him a platorm to pat himself on the back. EVH sells mags so they are more than happy to continue portraying EVH as some mythical figure on the instrument when the reality is that there are plenty of guys on the rock circuit today who could play circles around him and continue to hone their craft and have been doing so for many years. I rarely read interview answers that are more self-congratulatory than those of EVH. He must have arthritis of the shoulders from patting himself on the back all these years.

 

[shaka]

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My problem is that he slagged his old guitars to prop up the new. Other than body shape was there a huge difference between the Ernie Ball and the Peavey? Not really. I've played multiple versions of both and they are comparable guitars. Is there a huge difference between this new version and the other two? Probably not.

This is all just marketing. This new guitar is probably not much different than his Peavey Wolfgangs.

In a way it reminds me of my college textbooks. You'd get a new edition of the same book every year with only minor changes. However each year the teacher would mandate the new version so you couldn't sell your old book back. From a substantive point of view the new book was no different from the old other than the page numbers maybe not matching up. EVH is doing the same with guitars. He knows that many of you that bought the Ernie Ball then bought the Peavey because it was the latest greatest. He also knows that many who bought the Peavey will buy the new EVH simply because he has said it is better than the other two. I have no problemwith EVH having a new guitar but to slag the old is dumb.

 

[Christopher Caruana]

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I saw VH last january and that must have been a good night for ed because his playing kicked a**. i do have to agree that his playing has gone down the drain over the years i have youtube'd a couple of his other solos from this last tour and a couple of them just flat out sucked. as for the new wolfie, i probably wont be buying one anytime soon since i just bought a new kramer baretta RI, but i will however play one for myself and see how it feels. I have not played the EBMM of the Peavey wolfie, but i will just try th eEVH one out for myself and then see if its worth saving for or not. it will probably cost a butt load too.

 

[Farkus]

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...which I REALLY wanna go see if they ever tour.

I hadn't heard about this...sounds like it could be a winner!

 

[NUNOSLASH]

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Mags like Guitar World are every bit as much to blame for continuing to perpetuate that stuff by giving him a platorm to pat himself on the back. EVH sells mags so they are more than happy to continue portraying EVH as some mythical figure on the instrument when the reality is that there are plenty of guys on the rock circuit today who could play circles around him and continue to hone their craft and have been doing so for many years. I rarely read interview answers that are more self-congratulatory than those of EVH. He must have arthritis of the shoulders from patting himself on the back all these years.

OF COURSE THEY ARE PLAYERS 3403940394039034 TIMES BETTER THAN HIM, THAN CAN SMOKE HIM ANYDAY...the same about Page, Gilmour, Blackmore, etc...

But they are legends cause what they did at their time was revolutionary, not because of what they do today.
Its imposible for one musician to change the world TWICE imo...so if theres people expecting to see VH doing it one more time, keep waiting, its not going to happen

 

[Mincer]

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I don't think it is about changing the world twice. It is about evolving. Artists like Paul Simon and Peter Gabriel did it, guitarists like John McLaughlin and Robert Fripp evolve...I don't see why EVH doesn't/can't.
BTW, out of every EVH-related guitar out there, the EBMM is my pick- there is a reason these things are so expensive now.

 

[BloodRose]

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OF COURSE THEY ARE PLAYERS 3403940394039034 TIMES BETTER THAN HIM, THAN CAN SMOKE HIM ANYDAY...the same about Page, Gilmour, Blackmore, etc...

But they are legends cause what they did at their time was revolutionary, not because of what they do today.
Its imposible for one musician to change the world TWICE imo...so if theres people expecting to see VH doing it one more time, keep waiting, its not going to happen

NUNO,
This is VERY Well put!!! Ed is Ed... He lit the guitar world on fire when he broke out.. Ed innovated with playing AND gear technology.. D-tuna etc..
I think everyone expects more magic.. Clapton is still Clapton, but there will not be another Cream from him. We should go to see them for the memories and see the legends.
Ed gets taken too personally.. Alot of things he says is from a drunken state.. So take with a grain of salt..

Now, its natural marketing to try to build up his most current product as the best ever.. He wants to sell.. It IS crummy to bash the previous as being sub par tho.. "Yeah, the last thing I sold you was crap, but you should try this.." That doesnt fly with me. Its insulting to the previous co that Im sure paid him well and even insulting to himself.. But, its him and not me..

Id rather hear, "Im proud of what we did at XYZ, but I believe that here at ABC we managed to kick it up a notch...."

 

[BloodRose]

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I don't think it is about changing the world twice. It is about evolving. Artists like Paul Simon and Peter Gabriel did it, guitarists like John McLaughlin and Robert Fripp evolve...I don't see why EVH doesn't/can't.
BTW, out of every EVH-related guitar out there, the EBMM is my pick- there is a reason these things are so expensive now.

EVH has evolved if you think about it.. I dont like how its gone, but it isnt my say so..
Ed has said (and he is correct) that they had ALOT more hits and sold Millions more albums with Sammy and doing the schlocky pop rock... (I added the Schlocky pop rock part)

Id like to see evolution in the DLR early rock vein.. Brown tone evolving to black..(???) But that unit imploded due to ego.. Then Van Hagar was an evolution to a hit machine.. And now they are back as a nostalgia act.

 

[TattooedCarrot]

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They had one at NAMM last year as a teaser.

 

[BloodRose]

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They had one at NAMM last year as a teaser.

I dont care for the headstock, but I DO like how the body is more narrow..


Also wanted to comment on the Guitar world mag coming out. I think its ridiculous that they are offering 4 covers. They are preselling the set. Let me pay 4 times for the same drivel..... Uh, no...

 

[Dr.Mavashi]

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Hagar & Anthony are putting together a new band with Satch.

You really got my ears now, a link, an article perhaps?

 

[super rad stuff]

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They had one at NAMM last year as a teaser.

i dig those mxr phaser knobs. btw, the interview, no matter how self-congratulatory, is hilarious!

it was a matter of closing my eyes and feeling it... That's the way i like it to feel. It's nice. It's like a sexy woman.

:biglaugh:

 

[Mincer]

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For more info on the Satriani thing, check it out.

 

[DMR]

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I don't think anaybody's expecting him to change the world twice, just to continue on with new stuff. Anytime you hear him play outside of a concert setting he's playing the same licks he was doing 20 years ago. He would get eaten alive on a G3 tour standing next to guys like Paul Gilbert or Satch in an improv setting. That, to me, is the difference. When I listen to guys like Stach, Morse, Petrucci, Gilbert, etc. they're always pushing forward with their development. EVH has just stagnated and there are guys far more deserving of the attention he gets.

 

[DMR]

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BTW, out of every EVH-related guitar out there, the EBMM is my pick- there is a reason these things are so expensive now.

On the flip side, the Peavey guitars can be had relatively inexpensive. I know we might be talking a bit of apples and oranges to an extent as far as a MusicMan guitar compared to a Peavey but how much of one? I don't have direct experience with either line of instruments.

 

[mrfunnyman]

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I just got the new GW and read the EVH interview, it wasn't hilarious it was down right sad! It's the exact same interview Ed gave back in the 1997 Guitar Shop mag when they interviewed him on the release of the new Peavey Wolfgang. I still have that 1997 issue and I read them both 1 after another, and honestly it's the same interview as the current GW interview just worded differently. What really made me laugh was what Ed had to say towards the end of the interview, "We're not just shipping stuff out for the almighty buck"

 

[FretFire]

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For more info on the Satriani thing, check it out.

And even more from Mr. Satriani himself.

 

[shaka]

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On the flip side, the Peavey guitars can be had relatively inexpensive. I know we might be talking a bit of apples and oranges to an extent as far as a MusicMan guitar compared to a Peavey but how much of one? I don't have direct experience with either line of instruments.

They look different but they are very similiar in how they play and sound. I just did a spot check of the prices on Ebay and the Wolfgangs (Not the Wolfgang Specials) are selling for between $1.5 and 2k. The Ernie Balls are going for more but the Ernie Ball brand is considered more high end. With that said it is nice to see a Peavey guitar holding its value.

 

[DMR]

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I take it there were different tiered versions that came out for Peavey? I saw some that were under $1000 on ebay but I was figuring those were likely the "budget versions".