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Re: New from SNAMM: Rick Turner's Renaissance Guitars Made Affodable
Eh, its a little more convoluted than that. No harm done, though.
Eh, its a little more convoluted than that. No harm done, though.
New from SNAMM: Rick Turner's Renaissance Guitars Made Affodable
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KeeperOS
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Re: New from SNAMM: Rick Turner's Renaissance Guitars Made Affodable
And it might just be me but I don't think there's a forum member here that isn't even vaguely aware of Evan and his history with SD, but again it might just be me...
This seems like full disclosure to me that was done with no pressure from anyone.
And it might just be me but I don't think there's a forum member here that isn't even vaguely aware of Evan and his history with SD, but again it might just be me...
Kosh Naranek
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Re: New from SNAMM: Rick Turner's Renaissance Guitars Made Affodable
Lindsay Buckingham's Turner electric never seemed like my thing, though I can't complain about the great tones he's recorded with it.
But I hadn't seen a Turner acoustic-electric guitar before. Very cool!
Lindsay Buckingham's Turner electric never seemed like my thing, though I can't complain about the great tones he's recorded with it.
But I hadn't seen a Turner acoustic-electric guitar before. Very cool!
karpathion
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Re: New from SNAMM: Rick Turner's Renaissance Guitars Made Affodable
Who cares about disclosure. He is using the popularity of another company, and their forum to push every product that he stands to make a lot of money on. It would be like Seymour going on the Dimarzio forum and pimping a new line of his pickups.
He is also in an admin position on said forum, and can manipulate the threads to make sure everything goes his way.
I just think it's shady business practices.
Who cares about disclosure. He is using the popularity of another company, and their forum to push every product that he stands to make a lot of money on. It would be like Seymour going on the Dimarzio forum and pimping a new line of his pickups.
He is also in an admin position on said forum, and can manipulate the threads to make sure everything goes his way.
I just think it's shady business practices.
darthphineas
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Re: New from SNAMM: Rick Turner's Renaissance Guitars Made Affodable
I'm still wondering what happened to a post of mine on the DAddario thread. DreX also posted that he noticed it had been removed.
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I'm still wondering what happened to a post of mine on the DAddario thread. DreX also posted that he noticed it had been removed.
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jtougas
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... 'Cuz yeah, no one has ever suggested someone use DiMarzio pickups on here... *facepalm*
... 'Cuz yeah, no one has ever suggested someone use DiMarzio pickups on here... *facepalm*
karpathion
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Re: New from SNAMM: Rick Turner's Renaissance Guitars Made Affodable
But was it a person in a position of power for Dimarzio? No, it was just a user who thought the pup would fit a persons needs. 2 different things.
So, pick up your little facepalm and put it back in your pocket. You may need it later.
But was it a person in a position of power for Dimarzio? No, it was just a user who thought the pup would fit a persons needs. 2 different things.
So, pick up your little facepalm and put it back in your pocket. You may need it later.
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jtougas
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Naw, it stays where it is. *grin*
Frank Falbo is a former employer of SD, and he's promoted his projects on here.
Several other members have promoted their own albums and businesses on here.
Evan was open about his involvement with it, instead of hiding it, and I see no problem with that. It's not like it's a random luthier that has no prior work relationship with SD (the company), or an (ex)employee coming in and shilling a competing product.
Naw, it stays where it is. *grin*
Frank Falbo is a former employer of SD, and he's promoted his projects on here.
Several other members have promoted their own albums and businesses on here.
Evan was open about his involvement with it, instead of hiding it, and I see no problem with that. It's not like it's a random luthier that has no prior work relationship with SD (the company), or an (ex)employee coming in and shilling a competing product.
Re: New from SNAMM: Rick Turner's Renaissance Guitars Made Affodable
I have spoken via email to Todd Rockfield? (I think is his correct name)who designed the Rockfield pups and I involved in the Michael Kelly guits and he was VERY nice, helpful and otherwise.
My sentiments exactly. I wonder, would it be possible to arrange a Q&A with MK and RT, it would be about their respective companies, personal experiences in the industry and of course an inside look on these instruments, whadayasay?
I have spoken via email to Todd Rockfield? (I think is his correct name)who designed the Rockfield pups and I involved in the Michael Kelly guits and he was VERY nice, helpful and otherwise.
darthphineas
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Re: New from SNAMM: Rick Turner's Renaissance Guitars Made Affodable
I'd venture to suggest that the vast majority of time that FF spends on SDUGF promoting his projects would be more focused on the projects he managed or was involved with while at SD. he is seen much more often answering questions about the Liberator or the Triple Shot or the Alternative-8 or the Zephyr and so on - for that matter, he even contributes more often to threads that have content that are not about things related to his projects with SD...simply to be helpful. and that is something he does as a 'former' employee that does not have a SD phone # or a SD email and is not running the SDUGF in an administrative capacity. are we sure that there aren't more people that bring up Frank's work outside of SD than Frank does?
I'd venture to suggest that the vast majority of time that FF spends on SDUGF promoting his projects would be more focused on the projects he managed or was involved with while at SD. he is seen much more often answering questions about the Liberator or the Triple Shot or the Alternative-8 or the Zephyr and so on - for that matter, he even contributes more often to threads that have content that are not about things related to his projects with SD...simply to be helpful. and that is something he does as a 'former' employee that does not have a SD phone # or a SD email and is not running the SDUGF in an administrative capacity. are we sure that there aren't more people that bring up Frank's work outside of SD than Frank does?
karpathion
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Re: New from SNAMM: Rick Turner's Renaissance Guitars Made Affodable
Are you even paying attention?
I'll make a deal with you. I'll be in Winterville, Saturday morning. Give me 'till about noon, and we can meet up for a beer at say, Loco's, Taco Stand, or a bar. We can discuss this face to face. How's that sound?
Are you even paying attention?
I'll make a deal with you. I'll be in Winterville, Saturday morning. Give me 'till about noon, and we can meet up for a beer at say, Loco's, Taco Stand, or a bar. We can discuss this face to face. How's that sound?
jtougas
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Re: New from SNAMM: Rick Turner's Renaissance Guitars Made Affodable
I agree with your assessment, but he has also promoted his personal business and designs. The cool thing about the SDUGF is that we usually support that instead of jumping on them as spammers (not that I'm saying Karpathion is doing that, it's just that I don't see the criticism as warranted).
And we do jump on people that we see as spammers (usually pretty accurately
).
I agree with your assessment, but he has also promoted his personal business and designs. The cool thing about the SDUGF is that we usually support that instead of jumping on them as spammers (not that I'm saying Karpathion is doing that, it's just that I don't see the criticism as warranted).
And we do jump on people that we see as spammers (usually pretty accurately
).
darthphineas
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Re: New from SNAMM: Rick Turner's Renaissance Guitars Made Affodable
not saying that Frank doesn't... but by a much, much smaller ratio than all the times he's here helping out. since Frank left SD, what's there been....1(?) thread he started to pimp his wares. HERE, earlier this year, to say a guy on Conan is playing one. Hardly a press release or a huge pimp move. other threads Frank has started since leaving SD were to share with his friends on SDUGF that he will be in this town or that town if anyone wants to meet up.
bringing Falbo in to the mix on this topic is a non-starter.
not saying that Frank doesn't... but by a much, much smaller ratio than all the times he's here helping out. since Frank left SD, what's there been....1(?) thread he started to pimp his wares. HERE, earlier this year, to say a guy on Conan is playing one. Hardly a press release or a huge pimp move. other threads Frank has started since leaving SD were to share with his friends on SDUGF that he will be in this town or that town if anyone wants to meet up.
bringing Falbo in to the mix on this topic is a non-starter.
frankfalbo
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Man I was NOT looking to get involved in this thread, but my name is brought up a lot, I have to respond.
First: Deal with the main content of the thread, as intended by the OP and the initial banter:
I love Rick Turner. He is a great person and I wish him all the earthly success he could be blessed with by this, and any of his other projects. I'm sure these guitars will meet anyone's price/value expectations.
Second: Deal with offenses taken as to the delivery method of this news:
I guess I can see both sides of this. On one hand, you have someone (in this case, 2 people) who have had, or currently have business relationships with Seymour Duncan. (In this case, an offshoot, D-Tar) Forget that they're not owners or employees of SD for a moment. So the guy posts "check these out". If the guy currently sells Duncan pickups to OEM's, you can say of course it's cool if he says check out this cool guitar that has Duncan pickups in it, or D-Tar. No different than saying "check out this Mustaine hollow V with Duncan Livewires." It's definitely different than someone who never worked for SD, like someone from Schecter comes on and posts a press release about the new 7 strings, but at the end of the day it's a post about a guitar with Duncans.
Here's where it gets to be a grey area: Its a project that maybe the guy makes other money from. So it's not necessarily strictly clean Duncan business. If there's a commission paid for brokering the manufacturing agreement, and the strings on the guitar then, first let me be clear: There's nothing wrong with that. That's how business is done. But I could see SDUGF members saying "here's a guy who's profiting from these deals, and using the Duncan bullhorn to promote it". Just like guitar strings, or superglue, or gig bags or whatever have nothing to do with Seymour Duncan, but you might see threads about them pop up here and there. Again, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it at face value, just saying how I can see where someone would question it. I can see how it comes off as a grey area. But the truth is, it's not any of your (our) decision. If SD says "yeah, who cares, share the love, stimulate discussion, etc." then it just adds to the content of the forum. If SD wants it to stop, or be limited to only things with a Duncan tie-in, then it'll stop.
Finally, the super grey area is that it's an admin. In other words, there's an abuse of power risk. I'm not suggesting for one second that there ever is an abuse, just that it's possible that the admin just deletes any comments that aren't flattering, saying "we don't bash competitors" or whatever. In other words, if there's a post about D'Addario or Reunion Blues or whatever, it's feasible that it could be edited creatively to put things in the best light.
Now, it's laughable to me because at the end of the day, this is just a web forum. It's not Lord of the Flies. No one lives or dies by it. So lets all calm down and laugh a little, yeah?
Third: Deal with comments made about me:
There are some very different distinctions to be made between the two situations. If you do a search for all threads I've started, they have ALL been limited to the Off-Topic section. This is the place we are conversational, and we talk about what is going on in our lives. I have been very deliberate about this. I've been a SDUGF member since I was in Illinois, long before I ever took a job with SD. So yeah, I'm going to update about things that are going on in my life, and people in the Off Topic section seem to be interested in what I'm doing. My other involvement within threads that I have not started is simply to answer questions when I can. I have never gone into the pickup room to start a thread about the new Fishmans. I've never started a thread in the guitar room about my guitars. I've never started a thread in the amp room about the pedals I'm working on. I hope that's an important distinction.
Rick, I love you man, and I'm sorry the thread shifted on you. I know the guitars are great, and wish you the best.
Man I was NOT looking to get involved in this thread, but my name is brought up a lot, I have to respond.
First: Deal with the main content of the thread, as intended by the OP and the initial banter:
I love Rick Turner. He is a great person and I wish him all the earthly success he could be blessed with by this, and any of his other projects. I'm sure these guitars will meet anyone's price/value expectations.
Second: Deal with offenses taken as to the delivery method of this news:
I guess I can see both sides of this. On one hand, you have someone (in this case, 2 people) who have had, or currently have business relationships with Seymour Duncan. (In this case, an offshoot, D-Tar) Forget that they're not owners or employees of SD for a moment. So the guy posts "check these out". If the guy currently sells Duncan pickups to OEM's, you can say of course it's cool if he says check out this cool guitar that has Duncan pickups in it, or D-Tar. No different than saying "check out this Mustaine hollow V with Duncan Livewires." It's definitely different than someone who never worked for SD, like someone from Schecter comes on and posts a press release about the new 7 strings, but at the end of the day it's a post about a guitar with Duncans.
Here's where it gets to be a grey area: Its a project that maybe the guy makes other money from. So it's not necessarily strictly clean Duncan business. If there's a commission paid for brokering the manufacturing agreement, and the strings on the guitar then, first let me be clear: There's nothing wrong with that. That's how business is done. But I could see SDUGF members saying "here's a guy who's profiting from these deals, and using the Duncan bullhorn to promote it". Just like guitar strings, or superglue, or gig bags or whatever have nothing to do with Seymour Duncan, but you might see threads about them pop up here and there. Again, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it at face value, just saying how I can see where someone would question it. I can see how it comes off as a grey area. But the truth is, it's not any of your (our) decision. If SD says "yeah, who cares, share the love, stimulate discussion, etc." then it just adds to the content of the forum. If SD wants it to stop, or be limited to only things with a Duncan tie-in, then it'll stop.
Finally, the super grey area is that it's an admin. In other words, there's an abuse of power risk. I'm not suggesting for one second that there ever is an abuse, just that it's possible that the admin just deletes any comments that aren't flattering, saying "we don't bash competitors" or whatever. In other words, if there's a post about D'Addario or Reunion Blues or whatever, it's feasible that it could be edited creatively to put things in the best light.
Now, it's laughable to me because at the end of the day, this is just a web forum. It's not Lord of the Flies. No one lives or dies by it. So lets all calm down and laugh a little, yeah?
Third: Deal with comments made about me:
There are some very different distinctions to be made between the two situations. If you do a search for all threads I've started, they have ALL been limited to the Off-Topic section. This is the place we are conversational, and we talk about what is going on in our lives. I have been very deliberate about this. I've been a SDUGF member since I was in Illinois, long before I ever took a job with SD. So yeah, I'm going to update about things that are going on in my life, and people in the Off Topic section seem to be interested in what I'm doing. My other involvement within threads that I have not started is simply to answer questions when I can. I have never gone into the pickup room to start a thread about the new Fishmans. I've never started a thread in the guitar room about my guitars. I've never started a thread in the amp room about the pedals I'm working on. I hope that's an important distinction.
Rick, I love you man, and I'm sorry the thread shifted on you. I know the guitars are great, and wish you the best.
Re: New from SNAMM: Rick Turner's Renaissance Guitars Made Affodable
Frank, Sorry you had to chime in on this the way you have... Ive been around here awhile and you have never been anything BUT a class act. And I dont see how you have ever used or abused you position to promote your product. To the contrary, Id like to know more, but thats me.
I dont think Evan was out of line either. He can share from a personal perspective or even promote a SD affiliate. This is the SD forum after all.
I see both sides to this, but Id say just take it as an informative heads up guys, not an arm twisting..
Frank, Sorry you had to chime in on this the way you have... Ive been around here awhile and you have never been anything BUT a class act. And I dont see how you have ever used or abused you position to promote your product. To the contrary, Id like to know more, but thats me.
I dont think Evan was out of line either. He can share from a personal perspective or even promote a SD affiliate. This is the SD forum after all.
I see both sides to this, but Id say just take it as an informative heads up guys, not an arm twisting..
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KeeperOS
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Re: New from SNAMM: Rick Turner's Renaissance Guitars Made Affodable
Really guys, this is a guitar forum about all things guitar, this is a thread about some pretty exciting (IMHO) news in the guitar world AND for relevance bonus points, the pickups are Duncan.
It honestly boggles my mind how some can be wasting their energy by concerning themselves with who posted what or the histories, allegiances and genealogical trees of the people behind it.
It's a guitar forum as well as Seymour Duncan's back yard. As long as it's something exciting about guitars it's fair game IMO and if Seymour and Co disagree, they will be the ones to be pulling the plug.
But again, that's just me...
Now, would it be too much trouble to get back on point because the way this goes there will be valid reason for an Admin to be cleaning up, locking up or even plain deleting this thread which I think would be a shame.
Really guys, this is a guitar forum about all things guitar, this is a thread about some pretty exciting (IMHO) news in the guitar world AND for relevance bonus points, the pickups are Duncan.
It honestly boggles my mind how some can be wasting their energy by concerning themselves with who posted what or the histories, allegiances and genealogical trees of the people behind it.
It's a guitar forum as well as Seymour Duncan's back yard. As long as it's something exciting about guitars it's fair game IMO and if Seymour and Co disagree, they will be the ones to be pulling the plug.
But again, that's just me...
Now, would it be too much trouble to get back on point because the way this goes there will be valid reason for an Admin to be cleaning up, locking up or even plain deleting this thread which I think would be a shame.
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