New HB cabinets with green/creambacks

[misterwhizzy]

I wanted to confirm my Greenback love partially as a response to doubt this thread brought up. I put an SM57 in front of my cab and realized just how raspy the top end really is. I took them out and put my Vintage 30s back in, which I'm not sure I've done since I bought the Marshall Origin 50 I've been using for nearly a year. My first reaction was how much tighter the Vintage 30s feel to play. The top end sounds to my ears in the room nicer as well. More of a shine than a spit, if that makes sense. Once I listen to the miked tone, I may make the switch permanent.

 

[NegativeEase]

I wanted to confirm my Greenback love partially as a response to doubt this thread brought up. I put an SM57 in front of my cab and realized just how raspy the top end really is. I took them out and put my Vintage 30s back in, which I'm not sure I've done since I bought the Marshall Origin 50 I've been using for nearly a year. My first reaction was how much tighter the Vintage 30s feel to play. The top end sounds to my ears in the room nicer as well. More of a shine than a spit, if that makes sense. Once I listen to the miked tone, I may make the switch permanent.

Sounds like you just confirmed what I experience -Greenbacks have top end sizzle/grit -papery to me, less dimensional and more in your face and have a lose bottom end, V30s tame the high end more and are tighter in the lows.

 

[Mikelamury]

I'm pretty sure GB's or CB's would mix well with V30's. Friedman cabs come with Greenbacks on top, V30's at the bottom.

To be completely honest, though, believe me, I tried, but I never could get into mixing speakers. After going through A LOT of iterations in that Marshll cab I posted in the clip, there's always one type which I like best, and I feel like I'm just watering it down with the one that I like less. But that's just my personal view.

Second downside I see to it, and this one is a bit less personal, is that sound guys usually don't want to mic up two of your speakers. So you're going to have to choose which one you like the sound of better mic'd, and adjust your sound for that. Which would probably make your sound a bit unbalanced in the room.

I'm going to see what it sounds like with both cabs going at the same time but if it's not to my liking I will have another cab to plug in to for different songs/styles. I can understand what your saying about mixing speakers-how that might not mesh well together but I'm just looking for something a little different than the V30'S I'm used to. Nothing wrong with them at all just wanting a little variation.

 

[esandes]

There's nothing wrong with my V30 cab I just wanted to try something a little different but kinda in the same ballpark just for some options. I'm still not sure which one I'm going with. How do you think the creambacks would sound for playing punk and ska/punk compared to the V30's?

The v30 is a neutral speaker to my ears. The creamback 75 would add more mid definition I think. They both share the same magnificent H magnet but are voiced differently. The creamback 75 is my next speaker to buy. I'd go for it.

 

[Top-L]

I wanted to confirm my Greenback love partially as a response to doubt this thread brought up. I put an SM57 in front of my cab and realized just how raspy the top end really is. I took them out and put my Vintage 30s back in, which I'm not sure I've done since I bought the Marshall Origin 50 I've been using for nearly a year. My first reaction was how much tighter the Vintage 30s feel to play. The top end sounds to my ears in the room nicer as well. More of a shine than a spit, if that makes sense. Once I listen to the miked tone, I may make the switch permanent.

Move the mic off axis and keep the greenbacks.

 

[Demanic]

"Papery, gritty...". Yuck.
That being said, they probably would work just fine for Ska or punk.

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[NegativeEase]

"Papery, gritty...". Yuck.
That being said, they probably would work just fine for Ska or punk.

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Yeah, I dont really see you as a Greenback guy. They are not wide range.

When I think Greenback, I think Kinks, The Who, The Stones, ACDC, Free

I think they are really excellent to blend with other speakers and really great for recording for a mix.

 

[misterwhizzy]

Ska or punk.

Yuck.

 

[Rex_Rocker]

They're not papery or thin, IME. Like, at all. It hink the clip I posted proves otherwise. There's my evidence. I admittedly went a little too far with the low-end there because those Greenbacks were new to me, and I was still dialing my amp in for those. Hell, someone even commented in this thread that the tone on the clip I posted doesn't have much highs.

 

[Rex_Rocker]

Peavey XXX through a Marshall cab with GB's.

 

[Rex_Rocker]

Someone broke apart the Greenback track from JBL in a Van Halen track. It was the Greenback providing the beef to the tone.

Honestly, for me, when I think iconic Greenback tone, Van Halen is the first thing that comes to mind.

And by Greenback, I mean G12M's. Hendrix also used a varation of the speaker with the H magnet. Tecnically, those also have a green back, LOL. But when I think Greenbacks, I think G12M's, not G12H's. G12H's are a whole other can of worms.

 

[NegativeEase]

Someone broke apart the Greenback track from JBL in a Van Halen track. It was the Greenback providing the beef to the tone.

Honestly, for me, when I think iconic Greenback tone, Van Halen is the first thing that comes to mind.

And by Greenback, I mean G12M's. Hendrix also used a varation of the speaker with the H magnet. Tecnically, those also have a green back, LOL. But when I think Greenbacks, I think G12M's, not G12H's. G12H's are a whole other can of worms.

Nice clip -Everybody hear that papery grit in the speaker sound of Greenback now? Thats what I am talking about.

 

[chadd]

I'm pretty sure GB's or CB's would mix well with V30's. Friedman cabs come with Greenbacks on top, V30's at the bottom.

To be completely honest, though, believe me, I tried, but I never could get into mixing speakers. After going through A LOT of iterations in that Marshll cab I posted in the clip, there's always one type which I like best, and I feel like I'm just watering it down with the one that I like less. But that's just my personal view.

Second downside I see to it, and this one is a bit less personal, is that sound guys usually don't want to mic up two of your speakers. So you're going to have to choose which one you like the sound of better mic'd, and adjust your sound for that. Which would probably make your sound a bit unbalanced in the room.

You nailed it. It's not having the two types that's the problem, it's mixing and balancing them. You can get a huge sound if you do it that way, but each cab will sound a little off on its own. I prefer to use two very different mics on the same speaker type for the same effect, but that's a preference and going down another path.

 

[chadd]

Move the mic off axis and keep the greenbacks.

I like to start about halfway between the cone and frame and often move even farther out.

 

[Rex_Rocker]

Nice clip -Everybody hear that papery grit in the speaker sound of Greenback now? Thats what I am talking about.

What? The Greenbacks were first. The JBL's, the brighter of the two, were second. I hear no papery grit on the greenbacks, personally. Maybe on the JBL's, not on the GB's.

Maybe we're hearing things differently, or I'm not understanding what you mean by papery grit. To me, Greenbacks just sound good for pretty much any style of music with distortion on it, and I find they're somwewhat underrated for high-gain, TBH.

 

[NegativeEase]

What? The Greenbacks were first. The JBL's, the brighter of the two, were second. I hear no papery grit on the greenbacks, personally. Maybe on the JBL's, not on the GB's.

I am not at all saying the JBLs dont have it in spades.... Im commenting on the Greenbacks themselves.

 

[Rex_Rocker]

Haha, at this point, I'm lost. I'm not hearing it, man. At all.

Each to his own, I guess.

Maybe what you're hearing is the grit of a variac'd Marshall on 10? It does sound like that to me.

 

[NegativeEase]

Haha, at this point, I'm lost. I'm not hearing it, man. At all.

Each to his own, I guess.

Maybe what you're hearing is the grit of a variac'd Marshall on 10? It does sound like that to me.

Sure, I mean Im listening to this clip at my mixing desk on professional reference monitors -I dont have a better way to listen.

But hey, thats what makes the world go round

 

[Mikelamury]

Yuck.

LOL. I'm at least talking about good punk and ska nothing like what they pass off as 'punk rock' these days.

 

[Mikelamury]

What? The Greenbacks were first. The JBL's, the brighter of the two, were second. I hear no papery grit on the greenbacks, personally. Maybe on the JBL's, not on the GB's.

Maybe we're hearing things differently, or I'm not understanding what you mean by papery grit. To me, Greenbacks just sound good for pretty much any style of music with distortion on it, and I find they're somwewhat underrated for high-gain, TBH.

I don't hear anything 'papery' to the greenbacks. I think he might be referring to the fizziness coming from the pushed treble and amp as gritty maybe? I definitely agree that the JBL sounds alot more gritty and bright than the greenbacks and the greenbacks have more mids than the JBL. I'm like that little comparison I'm glad that got posted...