New Marshall amp coming out!!!
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Skarekrough
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Interesting to see if Fender's up on this one...
They've not really gone head-first into the high-gain amps but something like a 5150 in their lineup would plant them squarely in there.
Could be exciting.
Interesting to see if Fender's up on this one...
They've not really gone head-first into the high-gain amps but something like a 5150 in their lineup would plant them squarely in there.
Could be exciting.
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I wonder if it will be something where the wattage will be more friendly towards the average musician. Something in the area of 30 watts would be cool, I think. For me personally, something like 100 watts is total overkill. At times even 50 watts can be a bit much. I have a DSL 50 and I HAVE to run it thru an attenuator to get the best sound from it.
I wonder if it will be something where the wattage will be more friendly towards the average musician. Something in the area of 30 watts would be cool, I think. For me personally, something like 100 watts is total overkill. At times even 50 watts can be a bit much. I have a DSL 50 and I HAVE to run it thru an attenuator to get the best sound from it.
That90'sGuy
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Fender is slowly getting there with the Supersonic, it's definitely a step in the right direction. They still have a lot of work to do to get into the territory of Mesa, VHT, Soldano, Diezel, Bogner and other folks who have been focusing on that territory for quite some time.
Fender is slowly getting there with the Supersonic, it's definitely a step in the right direction. They still have a lot of work to do to get into the territory of Mesa, VHT, Soldano, Diezel, Bogner and other folks who have been focusing on that territory for quite some time.
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Skarekrough
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I agree. I played with a guy this past week that had one of those amps and he got a good tone out of it.
But Fender's been doing some great stuff lately with the vintage reissues. It will be interesting to see what they could do with a 5150.
I agree. I played with a guy this past week that had one of those amps and he got a good tone out of it.
But Fender's been doing some great stuff lately with the vintage reissues. It will be interesting to see what they could do with a 5150.
ErikH
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How did this go from Marshall to Fender? :eek13: :laugh2: That's pretty wild.
Since I'm a Marshall fan, I'm interested as to what it will be like but if it really is 4 channels, forget it. Too many for me. I like single channel tube amps, 2 max.
I heard the same story about Fender doing the next 5150 amp. I just hope it sounds better than the 5150 II. :crazy:
How did this go from Marshall to Fender? :eek13: :laugh2: That's pretty wild.
Since I'm a Marshall fan, I'm interested as to what it will be like but if it really is 4 channels, forget it. Too many for me. I like single channel tube amps, 2 max.
I heard the same story about Fender doing the next 5150 amp. I just hope it sounds better than the 5150 II. :crazy:
Jeff_H
Dean Hardtail Fanologist
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+1 to everything, but especially this.
The DSL is one of the better amps Marshall has done in a while. The moderator of the Marshall Forum (last time I visited a year or so ago anyhow) chose it over many of the other "classic" Marshall's that he had access to or has owned. To me, that says something.
I'll be anxious to see what they come out with. I just hope it's not PC board.
+1 to everything, but especially this.
The DSL is one of the better amps Marshall has done in a while. The moderator of the Marshall Forum (last time I visited a year or so ago anyhow) chose it over many of the other "classic" Marshall's that he had access to or has owned. To me, that says something.
I'll be anxious to see what they come out with. I just hope it's not PC board.
V!N
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No matter what it's going to be, it is very likely to have a PCB if it's a totally new amp. It's all about a good layout and it's easier to maintain consistency and way more cost effective to go with a PCB. If they'd stick a good thick board in there with through hole plating, it would be perfect.
But do I hear difference between an old PTP and the new PCB 1959 re-issue ? Yes, I do, the old one sounds better. I also hear difference between PTP and early 70's PCB Superleads and also between the same kind of amps amongst themselves.
But to say that's all in the PTP / PCB difference ? I'd rather believe there's some difference between the caps, resistors and transformers they used back then and the stuff they're using now.
Thick PCB, through hole plating, preferably no PCB mounted tubes and it's good enough for me. And even if it does have PCB mounted tubes, some of those socket extenders or whatever they're called should take care of the heat and wear. Not a reason for me not to buy it.
If the new amp could only do a blackface clean, a dirty somewhere between a 1959 and a 2203, but with a bit more gain, I'd be very interested. Then if they'd make it with reverb on board, an FX-loop and as a 1x12" combo, I'd take a loan and buy it !
That would give me all the sounds I ever wanted and have been waiting for so long to get it. Those sounds in a small package that I can play at home, jams, pub gigs and easily take to the bigger gigs where I'd put it on my 4x12" ! I'd never have to look for an amp again !
Ah, just daydreaming .. It will probably be aimed at the large market of kids or music enjoyed by kids these days but they already have the Mode Four so ..
Marshall is going to release
a modeling amp !
No matter what it's going to be, it is very likely to have a PCB if it's a totally new amp. It's all about a good layout and it's easier to maintain consistency and way more cost effective to go with a PCB. If they'd stick a good thick board in there with through hole plating, it would be perfect.
But do I hear difference between an old PTP and the new PCB 1959 re-issue ? Yes, I do, the old one sounds better. I also hear difference between PTP and early 70's PCB Superleads and also between the same kind of amps amongst themselves.
But to say that's all in the PTP / PCB difference ? I'd rather believe there's some difference between the caps, resistors and transformers they used back then and the stuff they're using now.
Thick PCB, through hole plating, preferably no PCB mounted tubes and it's good enough for me. And even if it does have PCB mounted tubes, some of those socket extenders or whatever they're called should take care of the heat and wear. Not a reason for me not to buy it.
If the new amp could only do a blackface clean, a dirty somewhere between a 1959 and a 2203, but with a bit more gain, I'd be very interested. Then if they'd make it with reverb on board, an FX-loop and as a 1x12" combo, I'd take a loan and buy it !
That would give me all the sounds I ever wanted and have been waiting for so long to get it. Those sounds in a small package that I can play at home, jams, pub gigs and easily take to the bigger gigs where I'd put it on my 4x12" ! I'd never have to look for an amp again !
Ah, just daydreaming .. It will probably be aimed at the large market of kids or music enjoyed by kids these days but they already have the Mode Four so ..
Marshall is going to release
a modeling amp !
WeatherReport
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The DSL and TSL series are all unbelievably bright to these ears. I will take a plexi over them any day of the week
The DSL and TSL series are all unbelievably bright to these ears. I will take a plexi over them any day of the week
y2stevo
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Fenders and Mesa's and the like cost a Bomb over here!!
The thing is over this side of the Pond the JCM2000 is one of the cheapest 50+ watts all tube amo you can buy, it's the transporting over to the states that makes marshalls expensive to you guys!
Fenders and Mesa's and the like cost a Bomb over here!!
DankStar
Her Little Mojo Minion
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yeah, I mean why don't they just issue a cool, affordable 18-watt head similar to their old one that people go nuts over so much?!?
yeah, I mean why don't they just issue a cool, affordable 18-watt head similar to their old one that people go nuts over so much?!?
V!N
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it was a repaired one and dirt cheap at 450 Euro (about 530 US$). The clean was no blackface, but workable, but I personally found the distortions to be a bit ice picky. Could be that it wasn't repaired good with so many people liking it, or my ears are just spoiled.
Ack, I'm getting really curious what this new amp will be !
It's not unlikely that they'll re issue the Lead 12. Hey, stop laughing ! They've gone up in value five times over only a couple of years since word got out Billy Gibbons uses them as overdrive units for his bigger tube amps.
And don't forget, they started making the JCM900 dual reverb again as well. Even though the used marked over here is flooded with originals ..
Already tried the 1x12" combo my good man,
it was a repaired one and dirt cheap at 450 Euro (about 530 US$). The clean was no blackface, but workable, but I personally found the distortions to be a bit ice picky. Could be that it wasn't repaired good with so many people liking it, or my ears are just spoiled.Ack, I'm getting really curious what this new amp will be !
It's not unlikely that they'll re issue the Lead 12. Hey, stop laughing !
They've gone up in value five times over only a couple of years since word got out Billy Gibbons uses them as overdrive units for his bigger tube amps.And don't forget, they started making the JCM900 dual reverb again as well. Even though the used marked over here is flooded with originals ..
ErikH
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The word that Billy Gibbons used them (Lead 12 heads) back some years was no big secret. Heck, I knew that a long time ago. Those JCM900 Dual Reverbs have been out for about 3 years now. That's a long time in that business these days. Things are changing every day and the competition is fierce. There's so many choices it's mind numbing.
Enough reissues (other than the MkIII Master Volumes...LOL), move on to new stuff, just don't go stupid overboard.
The word that Billy Gibbons used them (Lead 12 heads) back some years was no big secret. Heck, I knew that a long time ago. Those JCM900 Dual Reverbs have been out for about 3 years now. That's a long time in that business these days. Things are changing every day and the competition is fierce. There's so many choices it's mind numbing.
Enough reissues (other than the MkIII Master Volumes...LOL), move on to new stuff, just don't go stupid overboard.
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Have you guys heard the clips from that party where Eddie played these new amps at an eatery or whatever (not his porn party?)
I was kinda on the fence about how I felt.
I am not one to ask though - I never cared for 5150's. I prefer the Soldano soudn when Clapton and Knopfler used them.
For me Eddie is the Roth era Marshall tone, and will always be just that!
He deserves a TON of respect, but my love of his Marshall sound is my own preference. I happen to really love the sounds on 1984 - but some people I know from his camp disagree, and find some of the earlier work tonally superior to even that masterpiece album.
I am curious of the 5150 III, but if Marshall can top the 6100, without using a bunch of ribbon cable, op amps, and boards - I AM GAME!
I owned a 6100 and it was as sweet as my Bogner Shiva, yet had MORE options. The Plexi and JTM 45 sounds, the sweet cleans - made it a GOD SEND as far as amps. I didn't need both it and the Shiva so I sold it. Partially, I had fears about the reliability of all those electronic gizmos. GC has one of those amps and it broke down on them repeatedly. Mine was pretty ROCK oslid, recorded well, and all in all, it was a poor man's XTC. IF they can make a multi-channel amp with good classic sounds and an improvement on the high gain sounds - a la the 6100 - I am excited.
Hope it's also reasonably priced - but I am NOT holding my breath.
I have seen DSL's as low as $500 here in LA - and I might want one just for back up! I love those amps! Better than the TSL, and they soudn beautiful in the live mix!
Have you guys heard the clips from that party where Eddie played these new amps at an eatery or whatever (not his porn party?)
I was kinda on the fence about how I felt.
I am not one to ask though - I never cared for 5150's. I prefer the Soldano soudn when Clapton and Knopfler used them.
For me Eddie is the Roth era Marshall tone, and will always be just that!
He deserves a TON of respect, but my love of his Marshall sound is my own preference. I happen to really love the sounds on 1984 - but some people I know from his camp disagree, and find some of the earlier work tonally superior to even that masterpiece album.
I am curious of the 5150 III, but if Marshall can top the 6100, without using a bunch of ribbon cable, op amps, and boards - I AM GAME!
I owned a 6100 and it was as sweet as my Bogner Shiva, yet had MORE options. The Plexi and JTM 45 sounds, the sweet cleans - made it a GOD SEND as far as amps. I didn't need both it and the Shiva so I sold it. Partially, I had fears about the reliability of all those electronic gizmos. GC has one of those amps and it broke down on them repeatedly. Mine was pretty ROCK oslid, recorded well, and all in all, it was a poor man's XTC. IF they can make a multi-channel amp with good classic sounds and an improvement on the high gain sounds - a la the 6100 - I am excited.
Hope it's also reasonably priced - but I am NOT holding my breath.
I have seen DSL's as low as $500 here in LA - and I might want one just for back up! I love those amps! Better than the TSL, and they soudn beautiful in the live mix!
y2stevo
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what amp did he use on that album, that also happens to be my fav van halen album tonally!
what amp did he use on that album, that also happens to be my fav van halen album tonally!
ErikH
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His famed 100 watt Super Lead. :smack:
That album defines the brown sound at its finest. Like Olin, I agree that album has his best tone from that era. I love his tone on For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge and Balance too but those are different amps (Soldano SLO and 5150's respectively although the Marshall was used on one track on Balance and 5150 prototypes on F.U.C.K.).
His famed 100 watt Super Lead. :smack:
That album defines the brown sound at its finest. Like Olin, I agree that album has his best tone from that era. I love his tone on For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge and Balance too but those are different amps (Soldano SLO and 5150's respectively although the Marshall was used on one track on Balance and 5150 prototypes on F.U.C.K.).
Hot _Grits
Buttery Toneologist
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Ed used his old plexi as his main amp on every album up until F*U*C*K.
-That's one of the funniest things about Brown sound chasing: VH1 sounds different to VH2, which sounds different to Diver Down, which sounds different to Fair Warning, which sounds different to 1984. But they're all the same amp and pretty much the same guitar (up til '84, when the 5150 guitar came into service). So, assuming the micing was the same generally (sm57 on the grill, says Ed), then those sonic differences are down to room, mix, effects in Ed's chain and outboard effects...
Ed used his old plexi as his main amp on every album up until F*U*C*K.
-That's one of the funniest things about Brown sound chasing: VH1 sounds different to VH2, which sounds different to Diver Down, which sounds different to Fair Warning, which sounds different to 1984. But they're all the same amp and pretty much the same guitar (up til '84, when the 5150 guitar came into service). So, assuming the micing was the same generally (sm57 on the grill, says Ed), then those sonic differences are down to room, mix, effects in Ed's chain and outboard effects...
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Well, let's make this an EVH board lol
With Slash, Eddie etc you will find they overcame the overprocessed tones of the era a la racks etc by sticking with Plexi's, hot rods, and 800s.
you push an 800 too hard it gets nasty.
With EVH, remember he did a lot of stuff with a SOLDANO, NOT a 5150 as people believe.
Slash also used older Marshalls til AFTER Appetite. even Live at the Ritz is 800s, NOT Jubes.
With the aforementioned MIXING of Soldanos and Marshalls - EVH showed how well it works. Most people do not make Soldanos sit beautifully on their own save maybe EC himself! As always he breaks all the rules! Warren Haynes and EVH to this day mix Soldanos and Plexis with great results!
Marshall has a chance to redefine the High Gain market rather than chasing Mesa and the Dual Rec. I am not a huge Dual Rec fan. The Darkness (not my fave band by any stretch) prove it Live when Justin uses Recs and Dan uses SLPs - SLP have that gorgeous FAT tone and crunch, the Recs are a little buzzier). Don't get me wrong, I respect Recs, but I think music might be headed back the right way, and a good Hot Rod Marshall tone might be what's in order for this decade. I would prefer Nu-Metal be left in the dust, in my rear view mirror.
What this all comes down to is MARSHALLS are the real deal!
Well, let's make this an EVH board lol
With Slash, Eddie etc you will find they overcame the overprocessed tones of the era a la racks etc by sticking with Plexi's, hot rods, and 800s.
you push an 800 too hard it gets nasty.
With EVH, remember he did a lot of stuff with a SOLDANO, NOT a 5150 as people believe.
Slash also used older Marshalls til AFTER Appetite. even Live at the Ritz is 800s, NOT Jubes.
With the aforementioned MIXING of Soldanos and Marshalls - EVH showed how well it works. Most people do not make Soldanos sit beautifully on their own save maybe EC himself! As always he breaks all the rules! Warren Haynes and EVH to this day mix Soldanos and Plexis with great results!
Marshall has a chance to redefine the High Gain market rather than chasing Mesa and the Dual Rec. I am not a huge Dual Rec fan. The Darkness (not my fave band by any stretch) prove it Live when Justin uses Recs and Dan uses SLPs - SLP have that gorgeous FAT tone and crunch, the Recs are a little buzzier). Don't get me wrong, I respect Recs, but I think music might be headed back the right way, and a good Hot Rod Marshall tone might be what's in order for this decade. I would prefer Nu-Metal be left in the dust, in my rear view mirror.
What this all comes down to is MARSHALLS are the real deal!
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