New US rosewood export rules

[BloodRose]

Re: New US rosewood export rules

2 things to add here.. 1) Another reason I like and support Taylor guitars is their stand/involvement with responsible forestry.
2)I appreciate protecting nature and resources, especially trees as they give us something vital. HOWEVER..... I wish there were more efforts focused on these companies ripping down acres and acres of trees for yet another strip mall that will end up half vacant. Everywhere I go, bunches of trees leveled and such a waste

 

[DarkMatter]

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We like treating things as if they're infinite.

My personal opinion of capitalism swings with the lunar cycle, but Terence McKenna once said that capitalism assumes an infinite frontier of endlessly exploitable resources.

I have seen websites selling Indian rosewood boards claiming that they were sustainably harvested from a farm but I think Kramersteen is correct, they aren't the type of tree to grow into a usable size very quickly.

Anyways, I cannot claim any high and mighty position in regards to rosewood specifically...
I built this

 

[Demanic]

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The only endlessly exploitable resource that true Capitalism relies on is the free (as in unfettered) human mind. It's State sponsored companies that devour resources without regard for the future, because they know that, being organs of the State, they will continue to exist regardless.

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[Mincer]

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Have no fear, sooner or later someone will decide to ban all of those woods too.

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Then we will start using human bones. They can't sound that bad, and it is kinda like recycling, right?

 

[Demanic]

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Well, you can will your body to science, why not sell it to a guitar manufacturer?

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[AlexR]

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Kinda gives new meaning to the term 'tummy cut'

 

[Phiiil]

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try these guys,
it gives you a virtual US address and your goods are forwarded to you from the US
https://www.shipito.com/en/?countrycode=AU

Shipito are pretty good but their shipping fees can get expensive...especially as their pricing structure isn't always that clear. I advise using viabox instead. They offer a similar service but with the cheapest shipping fees.

 

[MkIII Renegade]

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I'm sure carrotwood would make an excellent fretboard material.

How about pecan? o

 

[daenius]

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Although on the other side of this, there are so many species of wood. I am not attached to rosewood as the only wood that can do what it does. Sure, it is pretty, but there are tons of awesome woods out there that look amazing. I am sure there are tons that sound amazing, too. If it forces you to buy things from within your own country, that might not be such a bad thing (for some countries).

Like Mincer I'm not attached to rosewood or ebony or whatever the **** as long as it looks good, feels good, and sounds fine. It just sucks to find a used guitar that's a good deal only to find out you can't buy it because of this. I mean seriously, guitars?????? We use a thin piece of rosewood for the fretboard compared to a giant ass piece for a coffee table.

Yeah really bummed out by this GREAT deal I found on a Japanese cite for a high end Japanese built custom Schecter, but the store won't sell it to me because I'm in the US and they're not allowed to even export USED guitars that contain rosewood T__T

 

[Sirion]

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I wonder to what extent this is really being enforced, though? As much as we like to consider ourselves the centre of the world this law obviously was not passed with guitars in mind, and I've yet to hear any reports of guitars directly being affected. Surely there must have been a few rosewood fretboarded guitars that have crossed borders since last year; are there any known stories of them being taken?

Regarding Japan, surely there must exist shipping services between Japan and USA that you could use: you could send the item to a Japanese address and have it shipped through the agency in question to you. I've done this both in Norway and New Zealand, and I can't imagine that there wouldn't be some sort of trans-pacific service provider.

 

[daenius]

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I wonder to what extent this is really being enforced, though? As much as we like to consider ourselves the centre of the world this law obviously was not passed with guitars in mind, and I've yet to hear any reports of guitars directly being affected. Surely there must have been a few rosewood fretboarded guitars that have crossed borders since last year; are there any known stories of them being taken?

Regarding Japan, surely there must exist shipping services between Japan and USA that you could use: you could send the item to a Japanese address and have it shipped through the agency in question to you. I've done this both in Norway and New Zealand, and I can't imagine that there wouldn't be some sort of trans-pacific service provider.

Yeah but it'll just add more cost and hassle to the whole thing, haha. Wouldn't shipping it to a Japanese address mean that I actually have to pay the "in Japan" sales tax? Then I gotta pay shipping to that agency, then pay the agency to ship it to me... Compared to just paying $150 for the guitar to just be shipped from the store, very unfortunate.

I understand though, if I REALLY MUST absolutely have that guitar, I'll probably do something like that to get it.

Oh and... Norge?

 

[Sirion]

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I've never been able to get foreign salesmen to drop the tax off their products when shipping overseas; if you have a trick for this I would be interested in knowing it.

My experience is that it adds a little to the shipping cost but far less than you would expect.

 

[daenius]

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I've never been able to get foreign salesmen to drop the tax off their products when shipping overseas; if you have a trick for this I would be interested in knowing it.

My experience is that it adds a little to the shipping cost but far less than you would expect.

I've bought several guitars from Ishibashi Music out in Japan and they never charge tax for overseas buyers. I've bought from a seller on Rakuten before and it's the same deal. I think maybe it's actually law of the land over there that they can't charge foreigners tax? Who knows but I ain't complaining!

Ishibashi's site English buying site: http://www.ishibashi.co.jp/u_box/e/eubox.php?T=gazo

 

[superV]

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Forums are creating mass panic where no need exists.

Dont go across the border and announce you have Brazilian Rosewood. Your personal guitars fingerboard is of no interest to authorities. But if you start announcing it then somebody with something to prove is going to make a meal of it.

This is like the people who think their Celluloid pick guard is going to spontaneously combust. The boogie man doesnt exist until you fret over him.

 

[daenius]

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Forums are creating mass panic where no need exists.

Dont go across the border and announce you have Brazilian Rosewood. Your personal guitars fingerboard is of no interest to authorities. But if you start announcing it then somebody with something to prove is going to make a meal of it.

This is like the people who think their Celluloid pick guard is going to spontaneously combust. The boogie man doesnt exist until you fret over him.

HAH! FRET over him! Get it? Get it? XDDDDDDDDD

 

[Edgecrusher]

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Then we will start using human bones. They can't sound that bad, and it is kinda like recycling, right?

The thought of that made me feel engorged in my no no zone. Human bone fretboard inlaid with human teeth hell yeahz!

 

[dazedandconfused001]

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The thought of that made me feel engorged in my no no zone. Human bone fretboard inlaid with human teeth hell yeahz!

thats pretty metal

 

[DrNewcenstein]

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Forums are creating mass panic where no need exists.

Dont go across the border and announce you have Brazilian Rosewood. Your personal guitars fingerboard is of no interest to authorities. But if you start announcing it then somebody with something to prove is going to make a meal of it.

This is like the people who think their Celluloid pick guard is going to spontaneously combust. The boogie man doesnt exist until you fret over him.

This.

If no one knows you have it, no one knows you have it.


However, I will say that I know a guy in New Jersey who bought a guitar from another friend in Cabo San Lucas some years ago and when it got to the UPS depot in Kentucky, Fish and Game wardens held it up until they could get details on the mother of pearl used for the inlays, citing a potential hazard to local/domestic aquatic life.
I'm not sure if Deputy Tacklebox though this was a fancy boat paddle, but clearly the guy had no clue that the typical use for an electric guitar does not involve being immersed in water, much less to such a degree that any microbial parasites embedded in the inlays would eject and wage full-scale war on the local waterways.

I can, however, see the need for restraint regarding harvesting. There are so many poorly-made guitars on the market, because the industry did not push for regulations on craftsmanship. Those guitars use up wood that would be put to better use by a more quality-oriented brand.

Then again, one has to wonder: surely by now there are at least 3 guitars per person on the planet? I've got over 30 of them myself, and I see thousands of people just on two guitar forums who have more than one, hundreds of stores online that have hundreds of them in stock, and hundreds of thousands of people just in the United States who have at least one.

 

[Mincer]

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I think bigger companies just might expand the definition of what 'rosewood' is, and just shove that name on any brown wood. Or photo-grain any wood. I love rosewood, but I'd rather find an old diningroom table to recycle into a guitar. Plus, it probably still smells like turkey dinner.

 

[DrNewcenstein]

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Plus, it probably still smells like turkey dinner.

Mmm, turkey.

Sour notes around the cranberry-stained 4th fret, but the tone sweetens up when you hit the cobbler stain on the 8th.