NGD and a Rant

Sirion

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So, this happened some time back:

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Kramer Pacer Custom I ca. 1988-89. The pickups are a Screamin' Demon, which I don't care for and which has to go, and two Alnico II Pro. I need to get blocks and screws for the locking nut, as well as fix the intonation. But I have already played it enough to know that I am keeping this one.

The guitar was a great deal, and it didn't take me long to understand why. When I opened the case, I realized that there were no strings on, and the previous owner had slid a piece of cardboard under the Floyd to keep it from digging into the body while keeping the springs in place. When I tried to string it up, I quickly discovered the error: the ​insert block in the saddle for the thick E string was not moving, but instead sort of pivoting back and forth, as though it were stuck inside the saddle. Loosening more blocks, I realized that several of them would not come out.

My working theory is that the previous owner had overtightened the blocks severely, but instead of cracking they had subtly changed shape until they got stuck inside the saddles. When the thick E string could no longer be attached, s/he sold the guitar instead of trying to fix it.

This meant that I received a fair deal, but it baffles me how people get basic things about the Floyd Rose wrong. I watched an instructional video when I was seventeen, but after that I have just used them, and have never had any substantial problems. On the other hand, I own a few such old Kramers, and many of them had Floyd troubles that were obviously user error. For instance, I had to throw away an entire locking nut once because of the same error: it had been so overtightened that the blocks had changed shape and would no longer disattach smoothly.

How do people manage to get these things wrong?! I like to think that I am evidence that dealing with a Floyd Rose is not difficult to operate, but then I run across something like this.
 
(A clarification, since the board will not let me edit: I received the guitar some time ago, but only got it in playable condition yesterday, as I had to buy new sets of saddles and blocks for it to work.)
 
How To Restring a Floyd - How To Restring a Floyd

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Lots of people not only get it wrong, but are terrified to read a few instructions or watch a few videos to learn something. It isn't like replacing a transmission.
 
Agreed, it is a great find!

Now I am not opposed to reading a few manuals and watching a few videos, but the Floyd is the most labor intensive component I have encountered in 43 years of owning an electric guitar. Once any of my other guitars are setup, I can change the strings second nature. With my Floyd, I have to read the manuals or watch the videos every time I change strings, so it does not end up wonky or like the Kramer in this topic. ...and forbid that I want to use a different tuning or string gauge...
 
I didn't find learning to change strings on a Floyd too difficult once I understood how the whole system worked. Block the trem, unlock the nut, swap strings, tune 'em up unblock the trem, tune 'em up a couple more times and stretch them, lock the nut, done. It's a lot more of a pain in the ass to switch string gauge or set them up from scratch though.
 
Like anything else, if you do it a lot, you get good at it, and come up with ways to make the process easier. A fitted block certainly helps when changing strings.
 
I've never even seen the need for a block. I just do it one string at a time, and everything is hunky-dory.

I like to give the fretboard a good scrubbing down - otherwise it gets pretty grubby after a while on the ole maple.
 
Summoning my best Aceman font....

1. Opened with "...many of the Floyds seen suffer from these issues."

2. It has it's own meme.

3. May require reading a few instructions and watching a few videos to learn. (Multiples)

4. May require blocking trem to change strings.

5. Bigger pain in the posterior than other trems to change string gauge/tunings.

6. May have to practice at changing the strings on your guitar, in order to practice your guitar.

7. May result in Maple fretboards looking like 50's Fender Maple fretboards.


....and not yet admitted...

8. Requires cutting brand new guitar strings which fit all other guitars.
 
I like to give the fretboard a good scrubbing down - otherwise it gets pretty grubby after a while on the ole maple.

Yeah, you cant do that if you want to clean the fretboard and polish the frets.

​IDK, pressing the bar down seems to give enough room to clean the fretboard, at the very least. If frets need to be polished, I would agree that you'd better remove the strings - but I hardly see the need to do that at every string change.
 
Summoning my best Aceman font....

....and not yet admitted...

8. Requires cutting brand new guitar strings which fit all other guitars.

I'd rather cut off the ball end than not, truth be told, because this has a hidden advantage: if a string breaks during a performance, you can simply unwind one round of string from the tuning peg, attach it, and you are good to go, foregoing any need to find a new string, attach it, tune up and stretch it. For this reason, among others, I'd argue that your point 5 is also incorrect. In any case, people have been "putting up" with these for four decades and counting regardless of these "problems".
 
I'd rather cut off the ball end than not, truth be told, because this has a hidden advantage: if a string breaks during a performance, you can simply unwind one round of string from the tuning peg, attach it, and you are good to go, foregoing any need to find a new string, attach it, tune up and stretch it. For this reason, among others, I'd argue that your point 5 is also incorrect. In any case, people have been "putting up" with these for four decades and counting regardless of these "problems".

I usually thread the tip of the string through the tuner and then down to the string block on floyds, so the ball end is up at the headstock. That way there's no spikey end swinging around trying to scratch me as I'm futzing with everything else. :P
 
I usually thread the tip of the string through the tuner and then down to the string block on floyds, so the ball end is up at the headstock. That way there's no spikey end swinging around trying to scratch me as I'm futzing with everything else. :P

Does that mess the tuner up?
 
... In any case, people have been "putting up" with these for four decades and counting regardless of these "problems".

The Floyd is the VHS format of the locking tremolo (yes, technically vibrato) options; still inferior in specifications, however it won out due to what you have written and market share. Which is why I assert we will continue to see the issues in your OP and we technically are not entitled to a rant when we see them.

Always wanted to say that. Well, I reserve the right to say it someday as I have only written it here.

I'm out!
 
The Floyd is the VHS format of the locking tremolo (yes, technically vibrato) options; still inferior in specifications, however it won out due to what you have written and market share. Which is why I assert we will continue to see the issues in your OP and we technically are not entitled to a rant when we see them.

Always wanted to say that. Well, I reserve the right to say it someday as I have only written it here.

I'm out!

Of course we are entitled to: these are user errors that are eminently avoidable, and reflect poorly only on the individuals making them, not on the system itself.

Then again, I probably got a good deal because somebody couldn't figure it out, so I agree that I shouldn't complain for *too* long. :friday:
 
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