NGD... Martin HD-28V

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Finally! After much deliberation I pulled the trigger on an unbelievable acoustic guitar. A beautiful Martin HD-28V, unbelievable tone, the forward shifted, scalloped bracing works well with my pick and finger attacks, and the rosewood provides an excellent solid bass and sparkling overtones. It's "that Martin tone". Here's a teaser pic, more to come.

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There ya go my man. That is the bracing you want on a Martin the "HD"28, not the D-28. wise choice!! In 20 years or so she'll start to open up nicely. If you think it sounds good now, and I'm sure it does, wait 20 years, and the thing will be incredible.
 
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I used to have one of those. These days, Martin does not make a better guitar than that (IMO). I was dumb to sell it. It had such a warmm, even, and sensitive response to finger picking. Great guitar! Congratulations.
 
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Finally! After much deliberation I pulled the trigger on an unbelievable acoustic guitar. A beautiful Martin HD-28V, unbelievable tone, the forward shifted, scalloped bracing works well with my pick and finger attacks, and the rosewood provides an excellent solid bass and sparkling overtones. It's "that Martin tone". Here's a teaser pic, more to come.




HNHD28VD to you sir !


You just acquired my DREAM acoustic !
 
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Magnificent guitar lots of luck with it. Its the type of guitar you can hand down to your children! BUT make them earn it. haha great guitar!!
 
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Or, use a ToneRite today and it'll be opened up in around 72 hours (shameless plug).

rofl

I don't think the emperor is wearing any clothes there . . .


OK, not to be a dick or anything . . . but seriously? From that website:

The play-in process can be accelerated and you should see moderate to large gains in tone, balance, resonance, and playability. A lot of older instruments really score well in increasing the ‘playability,’ or how easy a note is to pull from your instrument. A lighter touch, more dynamic range, etc.

Damn. Here I was thinking that my old guitars are less playable because of worn frets, shrinking/warped wood, and the need for a new setup. Turns out the answer all along was to vibrate the strings more rather than get them setup.


The play-in process is the scientific phenomenon in which the quality and volume of sound from an instrument increases with constant stimulation.

Ah good. We're using science. Uh . . . so why is there no actual research on the website. Especially under the tab marked "research". Or . . . you know, even simple graphs? Measured results from experiments? Evidence of experiments?


In a general sense, the ToneRite® works by releasing the inherent stress in the instrument by de-dampening. Fine instruments are crafted from many pieces of wood and material glued and bound together. This system naturally has tension built into it. Over time, the tension naturally gets worse due to entropy.

???

Entropy . . .
1. a thermodynamic quantity representing the unavailability of a system's thermal energy for conversion into mechanical work, often interpreted as the degree of disorder or randomness in the system.
"the second law of thermodynamics says that entropy always increases with time" - nope
2. lack of order or predictability; gradual decline into disorder.
"a marketplace where entropy reigns supreme" - I guess this is what the writer is going for??
3. (in information theory) a logarithmic measure of the rate of transfer of information in a particular message or language. - nope

So, tell me how entropy is supposed to increase tension in an instrument? And explain to me why an instrument that isn't played for a long time doesn't just explode from all the tension that's building up over the years . . .


The secret behind the ToneRite® is a small high-g vibration that can silently excite the body of an instrument for long periods at a time.

When you say high-g . . . you mean it's playing a high-g note? Or is this just a fancy way of someone saying something is fast (like high g acceleration)?


The Play-In process involves the individual components of an instrument learning to resonate as a whole instead of against one another destructively. This process occurs due to vibrational energy that effectively transfers into the instrument to de-dampen it. The result of this process is added volume, resonance, dynamic range, playability, etc.

'Vibrational energy' is a meaningless phrase. Kinetic energy can be transferred into an object by vibrating the object though. The only thing is, the instrument would lose all of this kinetic energy via heat and noise. Remember how you were talking about entropy earlier? That's basically what entropy is all about.

What is all this about an instrument learning to resonate? Which part of the wood is learning? Can we test the instrument on how much it has learned? Jesus, this is poorly written.



I have never used this device. It may well produce fantastic changes in instruments. Whoever wrote that webpage however either doesn't have a good grasp on basic science/English language, or is intentionally trying to deceive people.
 
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Money well spent. It's amazing how much better that model sounds than just about any other acoustic guitar.
 
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rofl

I don't think the emperor is wearing any clothes there . . .


OK, not to be a dick or anything . . . but seriously? From that website:



Damn. Here I was thinking that my old guitars are less playable because of worn frets, shrinking/warped wood, and the need for a new setup. Turns out the answer all along was to vibrate the strings more rather than get them setup.




Ah good. We're using science. Uh . . . so why is there no actual research on the website. Especially under the tab marked "research". Or . . . you know, even simple graphs? Measured results from experiments? Evidence of experiments?




???

Entropy . . .
1. a thermodynamic quantity representing the unavailability of a system's thermal energy for conversion into mechanical work, often interpreted as the degree of disorder or randomness in the system.
"the second law of thermodynamics says that entropy always increases with time" - nope
2. lack of order or predictability; gradual decline into disorder.
"a marketplace where entropy reigns supreme" - I guess this is what the writer is going for??
3. (in information theory) a logarithmic measure of the rate of transfer of information in a particular message or language. - nope

So, tell me how entropy is supposed to increase tension in an instrument? And explain to me why an instrument that isn't played for a long time doesn't just explode from all the tension that's building up over the years . . .




When you say high-g . . . you mean it's playing a high-g note? Or is this just a fancy way of someone saying something is fast (like high g acceleration)?




'Vibrational energy' is a meaningless phrase. Kinetic energy can be transferred into an object by vibrating the object though. The only thing is, the instrument would lose all of this kinetic energy via heat and noise. Remember how you were talking about entropy earlier? That's basically what entropy is all about.

What is all this about an instrument learning to resonate? Which part of the wood is learning? Can we test the instrument on how much it has learned? Jesus, this is poorly written.



I have never used this device. It may well produce fantastic changes in instruments. Whoever wrote that webpage however either doesn't have a good grasp on basic science/English language, or is intentionally trying to deceive people.


I bet you're a blast at parties.
 
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Sweet, you have excellent taste... that should give a lifetime of enjoyment.
 
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I bet you're a blast at parties.

1.) Would you spend $150 on a machine that vibrates your strings for you?
2.) I was unaware that SDUGF was a party. Perhaps I should put pants on then.
3.) I totally just thought of a lucrative business idea. Market positioning be damned! They need to call the device "The Vibrator" and in fine print "of guitar strings" and see how many they sell.

For real though, a machine that vibrates your strings to simulate you playing? That's like relic'd guitars. I just don't get it. It's like getting breast implants. Close, but somehow not.
 
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My stepfather has a '68 HD-28 made with Brazilian Rosewood... the bass notes sound like they're coming from the bottom of a well. You will love that guitar.
 
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Thank you for all the kind comments, this was the culmination of 6+ months of playing, deliberating and comparing an incredible array of musical instruments. I have made a bit of a resolution to myself that going forward, everything I add to the array of guitar items will be "lifelong" level purchases. I played many acoustic guitars that I loved and many that I would have bought, but for my style (classic and acoustic rock first and foremost followed by blues then moderate fingerstyle) this was just such a classic tone, it fit my needs and my idea of a lifelong instrument. (I'm pretty sure my next one will be a 0/00 sized all mahogany Martin, to fill in that smaller bodied specialty tone, but that's down the road. ;))

One of the biggest surprises to me was how comfortable the Modified V neck profile is! I generally dislike Vs (preferring the classic Fender C or Oval) but this neck just fit like a glove. I could see a more technical minded player wanting a flatter, more electric style profile but this fits me perfectly.

Anyway, time to pick it up again! :D

(Any recommendations on humidifiers? I have a Humidipak for now, but I'm always open to suggestions for better options)
 
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rofl

I don't think the emperor is wearing any clothes there . . .

1.) Would you spend $150 on a machine that vibrates your strings for you?
2.) I was unaware that SDUGF was a party. Perhaps I should put pants on then.
3.) I totally just thought of a lucrative business idea. Market positioning be damned! They need to call the device "The Vibrator" and in fine print "of guitar strings" and see how many they sell.

For real though, a machine that vibrates your strings to simulate you playing? That's like relic'd guitars. I just don't get it. It's like getting breast implants. Close, but somehow not.

http://www.acousticguitarforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=316203

I don't have a dog in the fight (not my thread and I don't have a Tone Right), but there's a thread with recordings, and at least there's a before/after comparison.
 
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I bet you're a blast at parties.

: D


http://www.acousticguitarforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=316203

I don't have a dog in the fight (not my thread and I don't have a Tone Right), but there's a thread with recordings, and at least there's a before/after comparison.

If I recorded myself playing the same piece a week apart you would hear some slight differences in the recording. It's not because I use a tone-right. It's not because my guitar has magically vibrated and aged in that week enough to be noticeable. It's because I'm human. You play things slightly differently each time you touch the instrument. Maybe you lean slightly away from the mic on one recording, and slightly towards it on another. Maybe you pick slightly harder on one recording than the other. There will be slight changes in the way that you hold the guitar, the way that you fret the notes, the length of your fingernails, the temperature and humidity of the day, the barometric pressure which changes the way that the sound moves through the air, your blood pressure and it's effect on your hearing and thus the way you play, etc. etc. For all of these reasons the test linked to is badly flawed.

There are ways to test a device like this - a frequency analysis of mechanically picked open notes accounting for daily pressure/humidity changes with the guitar kept in a vice to ensure exact mic placement from one test to another would be one way to reduce many of the confounding variables. Tests like this are the only way that the designers of this device can be certain it actually works.
 
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